Was i out of order today?
18 March 2014, 09:27 PM
#62
The way I see it is.. if he was that severly autistic shouting at him will have gone in one ear and out the other.
However, if he was just a bit of a div that's been 'diagnosed' by our overly PC society then you've just taught him a lesson.
What he did was wrong, if he went home saying he was shouted at for drumming on a car roof and almost breaking the wing mirror and was upset, then he now knows the next time he does this he'll get a similar responce. If this is the case, you've taught him a lesson that his ***** **** parent's hadn't, job done.
However, if he was just a bit of a div that's been 'diagnosed' by our overly PC society then you've just taught him a lesson.
What he did was wrong, if he went home saying he was shouted at for drumming on a car roof and almost breaking the wing mirror and was upset, then he now knows the next time he does this he'll get a similar responce. If this is the case, you've taught him a lesson that his ***** **** parent's hadn't, job done.
18 March 2014, 09:50 PM
#63
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Ali, Jack has had the same posting style for years and yes sometimes it can get a bit wearing, but no more wearing than the PC lovers on the other side of the argument such as andy97, Galifrey, jonc etc.
To be honest I have virtually stopped visiting the Computer/Tech section because of the PC fanboys, not because of Jack and I am someone who uses both so have no axe to grind in either direction (not that any of them ever stopped to ask ... instead making assumptions I was one or the other as they are too dumb to realise some people just use them as a tool and don't need to get a semi over a piece of technology).
To put it in to perspective NSR has posters who are borderline racists, homophobes and misogynists and comments relating to those views are posted fairly regulalrly without very much moderation for the most part so to me the idea of banning someone because they champion Apple products whle letting these sort of comments go largely unchecked is a nonsense.
The difference is I guess that Jack says it as he sees it, whereas the posters in NSR are a bit cleverer about it, they post their views fairly carefully so they can't be called directly on it much of the timr and they always fall back on the 'I'm only joking' excuse when they are.
Reality check required in my opinion, just saying it as seriously I see it!
To be honest I have virtually stopped visiting the Computer/Tech section because of the PC fanboys, not because of Jack and I am someone who uses both so have no axe to grind in either direction (not that any of them ever stopped to ask ... instead making assumptions I was one or the other as they are too dumb to realise some people just use them as a tool and don't need to get a semi over a piece of technology).
To put it in to perspective NSR has posters who are borderline racists, homophobes and misogynists and comments relating to those views are posted fairly regulalrly without very much moderation for the most part so to me the idea of banning someone because they champion Apple products whle letting these sort of comments go largely unchecked is a nonsense.
The difference is I guess that Jack says it as he sees it, whereas the posters in NSR are a bit cleverer about it, they post their views fairly carefully so they can't be called directly on it much of the timr and they always fall back on the 'I'm only joking' excuse when they are.
Reality check required in my opinion, just saying it as seriously I see it!
But if anyone can advise, I would be all ears, I could do with getting on with the rest of my life
18 March 2014, 10:54 PM
#64
It would be pretty boring if we banned everybody that we didn't agree with (although in Pedro Lewis case I may make an exception every now and then).
OP - If he is that seriously handicapped then the parent should keep control of him.
OP - If he is that seriously handicapped then the parent should keep control of him.
18 March 2014, 11:38 PM
#65
The way I see it is.. if he was that severly autistic shouting at him will have gone in one ear and out the other.
However, if he was just a bit of a div that's been 'diagnosed' by our overly PC society then you've just taught him a lesson.
What he did was wrong, if he went home saying he was shouted at for drumming on a car roof and almost breaking the wing mirror and was upset, then he now knows the next time he does this he'll get a similar responce. If this is the case, you've taught him a lesson that his ***** **** parent's hadn't, job done.
However, if he was just a bit of a div that's been 'diagnosed' by our overly PC society then you've just taught him a lesson.
What he did was wrong, if he went home saying he was shouted at for drumming on a car roof and almost breaking the wing mirror and was upset, then he now knows the next time he does this he'll get a similar responce. If this is the case, you've taught him a lesson that his ***** **** parent's hadn't, job done.
Too right, whilst it "can" be traumatising (assuming it really was - nobody likes being shouted at), traumatic events stick in the mind alot more, one similarity with nuraltypicals is learning from bad things to avoid it happening again. A coping strategy will be initiated...now that could vary from reverting to going to a safe place or routine (back home where he should be) - or simply just to not to go round banging on cars.
In the long run its better to get anti-social behaviour sorted sooner rather than later? Maybe the parents would rather the NHS sort all that lot out for them; thats never going to happen. He will get worse if not kept in check.
19 March 2014, 12:51 PM
#66
Dealing with a kid with ANY sort of disability, as a parent, is NOT easy. Anyone who thinks it's remotely like dealing with a normal kid is massively mistaken.
One of the main things that happens is that you become HUGELY, INCREDIBLY more protective of the child, and respond (maybe too) quickly to anything that threatens them/their happiness. If they are unhappy, you are too, only doubly so, because often, you cannot help.
Some of the more glib on here could maybe try it?
One of the main things that happens is that you become HUGELY, INCREDIBLY more protective of the child, and respond (maybe too) quickly to anything that threatens them/their happiness. If they are unhappy, you are too, only doubly so, because often, you cannot help.
Some of the more glib on here could maybe try it?
19 March 2014, 02:01 PM
#67
Dealing with a kid with ANY sort of disability, as a parent, is NOT easy. Anyone who thinks it's remotely like dealing with a normal kid is massively mistaken.
One of the main things that happens is that you become HUGELY, INCREDIBLY more protective of the child, and respond (maybe too) quickly to anything that threatens them/their happiness. If they are unhappy, you are too, only doubly so, because often, you cannot help.
Some of the more glib on here could maybe try it?
One of the main things that happens is that you become HUGELY, INCREDIBLY more protective of the child, and respond (maybe too) quickly to anything that threatens them/their happiness. If they are unhappy, you are too, only doubly so, because often, you cannot help.
Some of the more glib on here could maybe try it?
I understand totally what you're saying, but in this specific instance the point you're making is a moot one in my opinion.
19 March 2014, 04:29 PM
#69
That's sort of my point, if the kid is ok enough to be out alone then he's ok enough to be told right from wrong. If he'd been with his parents (and genuinely was severely autistic) and run into the guy's drive and hammered on the car, then that's a different story.
My friend has a son who's sadly had to be taken into care, he's severely autistic. And by that I mean there's no way he can be disciplined, he certainly can't walk the streets alone. Unfortunately when it's that bad and they start to get to adult hood and somehow have almost super human bloody strength, they can be quite a handful. He took to attacking them and got uncontrollable. Shouting at him would make no odds to him. What I'm meanng is if the kid takes it to heart they can't be 'that' bad and therefore it's letting him grow up with a bit of normality and a lesson learnt.
My friend has a son who's sadly had to be taken into care, he's severely autistic. And by that I mean there's no way he can be disciplined, he certainly can't walk the streets alone. Unfortunately when it's that bad and they start to get to adult hood and somehow have almost super human bloody strength, they can be quite a handful. He took to attacking them and got uncontrollable. Shouting at him would make no odds to him. What I'm meanng is if the kid takes it to heart they can't be 'that' bad and therefore it's letting him grow up with a bit of normality and a lesson learnt.
19 March 2014, 06:51 PM
#70
Exactly, and if you read my first post on the subject, you'll see I'm actually in agreement with you.
My comments were mainly aimed at those who either think that "odd" kids are a joke, or c*nts.
They are neither. They are someone's son, or daughter, someone's brother, or sister.
My comments were mainly aimed at those who either think that "odd" kids are a joke, or c*nts.
They are neither. They are someone's son, or daughter, someone's brother, or sister.
19 March 2014, 07:34 PM
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Me and the kids were at a beach car park just over a year ago in our camper. I had the sliding door and boot open.
A grey van pulled up next to us and out jumped three smallish blokes and what I can only describe as a black man mountain.
He immediately leapt into our open boot and jumped over the bench seat then sat in it. We were all outside and three very panicky blokes told us to get away and stay clear while they got him out. Many biscuits later he came out but took one of the kid's toys.
Many more biscuits later they prized it off him, apologised profusely and said they'd pay for any damage. Turns out he is VERY autistic and does a lot of weights; he must have been 6'6" and 18 stone without an ounce of fat and the scariest look I have ever seen; I'll do anything to protect my kids but in this case I really thought "if he goes for me, I'm f**ked."
They then drove away and took him to the loos - he escaped and ran down to a grey Discovery (brand new) clearly thinking it was our grey camper. He very nearly ripped the door handle off trying to get in.
The scariest time I've had in a loooong time!
A grey van pulled up next to us and out jumped three smallish blokes and what I can only describe as a black man mountain.
He immediately leapt into our open boot and jumped over the bench seat then sat in it. We were all outside and three very panicky blokes told us to get away and stay clear while they got him out. Many biscuits later he came out but took one of the kid's toys.
Many more biscuits later they prized it off him, apologised profusely and said they'd pay for any damage. Turns out he is VERY autistic and does a lot of weights; he must have been 6'6" and 18 stone without an ounce of fat and the scariest look I have ever seen; I'll do anything to protect my kids but in this case I really thought "if he goes for me, I'm f**ked."
They then drove away and took him to the loos - he escaped and ran down to a grey Discovery (brand new) clearly thinking it was our grey camper. He very nearly ripped the door handle off trying to get in.
The scariest time I've had in a loooong time!
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