chocolate_o_brian

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This.

OP, you weren't to know and the parents used their child's disability as a weapon of frustration.



A question in general to the masses if I may?

If dyslexic kids are just thick and autistic kids *****, does that mean we're allowed to call Down's syndrome sufferers 'same faces' then??

Just curious as to what's acceptable.

alcazar

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Yes, I understand that to you who commented, it was a joke.

But having an autistic kid, or one with any form of learning difficulty, is no joke, trust me.

It's not just difficult, it's heart-wrenching.

Funkii Munkii

Agreed, I'm really feeling the love and compassion in this thread !!

ALi-B

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I'm cynical; Would a real full blown autistic be outside running wild?


Or is this just another boarderline ADHD child thats being fed too much Haribo now been branded as "autistic" because ADHD is now recognised on the Autistic spectrum.


Much like Dyslexia is also Autism.


[ SN mode on ] So all you lot on here who can't spell are not just thick, your retarded too [ /SN mode ]




sorry...its Friday so yampy mod is manning the keyboard...Serious mod will return next week

coupe_20vt

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+1

Maz

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EFA.

tubbytommy

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the thing is about the story, while its awful that the child is autistic especially for the parents,its still not acceptable to let the child bang on someones car roof and expect the owner not to get upset.

personally id be mad even if i knew the child was autistic, it doesnt give him the right to damage property and if he cant be trusted not to do this his parents shouldnt let him out unsupervised.

also given the op didnt know the child was autistic, why are the parents surprised by his reaction when seeing said child bang on his car roof??

The parents should be thankful all the kid got was a shouting at and not something worse and should consider if they are looking after the child correctly as if he does this sort of thing often one day he wont be so lucky.


my above opinion has nothing to do with autism as its an awful condition and i feel sorry for those who have loved ones effected by it.

BrownPantsRacing

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Agree completely.

dpb

Only half an excuse,I have this exchange daily with mate mine who's borderline bipolar

He claims I'm borderline autistic, I know he's borderline bipolar / aspergers ( iq 150 )

dnc

Tubby has a heart after all shocker . Well, of sorts anyway .

Have to say I agree completely with this post.

OP has attempted to chastise the kid verbally, it's not as if he's hit him or threatened to hit him. Perfectly correct and reasonable action to take IMO.

DJ Dunk

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Who are you and what have you done with the real tubbytommy?

bustaMOVEs

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Off topic,
Clear your pm's please

alcazar

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Can't disagree Tubs, the parents have to take responsibility, BUT.....

How many do these days? They want all the rights, but none of the responsibility.

My guess is that if the OP HAD allowed the kid to damage his car, then went after compensation, they would have been staggered and furious..."Why didn't you stop him????"

alcazar

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Ali: Autism is a spectral thing, it ranges from a full functioning person who is a bit odd, (think Sheldon in the Big Bang Theory), to ones who can't be allowed out on their own.

And if ADHD is now in the autistic spectrum, it's even wider. Many kids with ADHD go on to live almost normal lives and are quite intelligent.

Turbohot

That's true.

Many kids don't have ADHD. What they have is parents who are unable to provide them the attention they need, for whatever reasons. Then they misbehave at home, in school and in other situations and end up getting assessed, diagnosed and medicated for ASD, ADHD and all that.

I'm not saying that's your case, Alcazar. I feel sorry for the parents with genuine cases of autism in their kids. But I'm afraid there are parents who are far too defensive, and want to use their kids' autism for their bad behaviour as a shield to cover their inadequate parenting skills.

Then there are kids with severe childhood trauma (physical trauma leading to psychological one, or psychological alone) or other issues who display psychosomatic disturbances. Not that they have any autism, but they too get labelled and heavily medicated, and behavioural therapists get moidered to **** to change their bad behaviour in time limited sessions. What child really needs gets totally overlooked. School just wants to discipline them and act all inclusive with round table multi-disciplinary and multi-agency meetings, parents want all or any available services to 'fix' their kid's behaviour with a magic stick while they have more and more babies or broken marriages to make that autistic child more and more isolated, unstable and ignored.

Not all cases are like that, but just a taster of the sort in this post.

CrisPDuk

The clue is in the name, I don't think it's a coincidence that most kids with ADHD have parents who want the child, but either don't want the responsibility of raising it, or don't want having it to cramp their own lifestyle

Turbohot

True, CrisPDuk. The name falls at the disposal of medical treatment when has a tail of 'disorder'. Frankly, a lot of them do not have any disorder. What they have is disorderly and/or ignorant parents with lack of awareness of how to raise a child.

A lot of ADHD/ASD children's parents end up developing a defensive 'disorder' (not yet listed in the manual) themselves. They start thinking that their child is just a victim, and anyone objecting on any action of their child is their enemy. They take on a permanent victim mode themselves, end up isolating themselves from their well-wishers, and become all screwed up.

They need to understand that ADHD or no ADHD, when their ADHD victim child hurts someone, it really hurts the hurt one. And he/she should be saying sorry to the hurt one, no matter what. And anyone objecting on their ADHD victim child's behaviour has a right to object, no matter what.

ALi-B

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Yeah I know - you're replying to one

Turbohot

Are you an Aspie, Ali? A lot of Aspies can be very clever peeps.

I have often seen one Aspie being jealous of another one, and clashing with that another one like hell! Is that why you've banned Jack Clark? if yes, please unban him.

Thanks.

legb4rsk

I assume you are fishing to display your expertise on the treatment of autism.
Carry on.

All qualifications will need to be verifiable.

Turbohot

His wasn't totally unrelated, nor is he normal; like most of us aren't.

Anyway, what is normal? Even is there is such a thing as 'normal', normal is boring. I'd rather hear or read abnormal than some boring "Yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir" sh7t.

Now I know his holiday has been extended, thanks.

Back to the target bit of the topic, extra-ordinary (let's not call them abnormal) ADHD/ASD kids with destructive behaviour must be monitored better by their caregivers. Don't let them victimise everything and everyone that they can, just because they are the victims of their 'disorder'.

sweden

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Sadly it all comes down to money

bioforger

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Tubby has multiple issues, one of which is that he suffers from schizophrenia

ALi-B

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Go on Maz...Work out why I do the following, and whilst your/you're/your are there see if there's a cure, as it drives me insane (more insane than normal). It used to bug Telboy too.

At least I can quote people's posts properly though .........

bioforger

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Tubby has multiple issues, one of which is that he suffers from schizophrenia The other symptom he suffers from is being a monumental coont

alcazar

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Not at all, just disappointed in how thoughtless some of the posts were.

I know nothing about treatment of any kind...but kindness costs nowt

f1_fan

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Ali, Jack has had the same posting style for years and yes sometimes it can get a bit wearing, but no more wearing than the PC lovers on the other side of the argument such as andy97, Galifrey, jonc etc.

To be honest I have virtually stopped visiting the Computer/Tech section because of the PC fanboys, not because of Jack and I am someone who uses both so have no axe to grind in either direction (not that any of them ever stopped to ask ... instead making assumptions I was one or the other as they are too dumb to realise some people just use them as a tool and don't need to get a semi over a piece of technology).

To put it in to perspective NSR has posters who are borderline racists, homophobes and misogynists and comments relating to those views are posted fairly regulalrly without very much moderation for the most part so to me the idea of banning someone because they champion Apple products whle letting these sort of comments go largely unchecked is a nonsense.

The difference is I guess that Jack says it as he sees it, whereas the posters in NSR are a bit cleverer about it, they post their views fairly carefully so they can't be called directly on it much of the timr and they always fall back on the 'I'm only joking' excuse when they are.

Reality check required in my opinion, just saying it as I see it!

Tony Harrington

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It is a difficult one to share what I would have done given the same scenario however I think that I would have responded in the same manner, rightly or wrongly.

In all honesty maybe a day or so later when all parties have calmed down I would have attempted to visit the parents & explain the reason for my response & apologise that I was unaware of their child's condition & hopefully they would feel the same.

If they reacted against me then at least I know that I had tried to make peace. I am a great believer in doing what is right in life as much as possible regardless of what happens to me.

bioforger

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lol Jack was a massive immature (proven by the fact he tried to circumvent the SN overlords) **** end of, it was only a matter of time imo.

Turbohot

Well said up there, f_1.

Whatever his posting style is, it isn't a big enough reason for banning him. He didn't swear, shout or personally insult anyone on that particular thread where he was unreasonably banned. He was saying that if one bought an iMac, one would have least chances of getting bugged. No matter hiw wrong he was, he was sticking by it, and so what. Nothing bannable about it. if people wanted to argue their point with him, they could have done that without calling him names, but hey. Him posting anything to glorify Apple gets people's goat bleating! So, when people are glorifying their Scoobies here, they should also be banned, shouldn't they? No, that Scoobylove OCD is the very blood in the veins of Scoobynet, so that is unacceptable. Right.

Spot on. If someone posts racist, homophobic or misogynistic comment, we're expected to RTM or such comment will hang about without any problem. Most people of that sort aren't even publicly warned, never mind publicly banned. On Jack's case, moderation was surprisingly proactive for sure.

You mean with at the end? Makes no difference, though. You can see through such people.

About Jack being called a troll for his obsession, all of SN must be full of trolls, because we're all obsessed with one thing or other. LOL he's hardly a troll.

Yes. On the theme of this thread (ref: thread title), banning Jack Clark for sod all was out of order IMO.


Sorry, that doesn't make him into an immature **** end. Banned and estranged people trying to circumvent a ban is nothing out of the ordinary. We're all aware that banned SN people try to get back in with aliases and all available tricks, it has been happening here for years! May be Jack didn't know that he was banned for sod all, so he tried to get back in one way or other. Even if he knew, so what. As I say, it's not only him here who has trying to circumvent the ban.