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Old 11 March 2014, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by paulr
How sad. There are too few people in public life with integrity, and who stand by their principles.
Yep and yet some on here describe it as the best news they've had all day
Old 11 March 2014, 07:22 PM
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He was on £145,000 a year ..... and worth every single penny to his Members who paid him that.

Tube Drivers get around £65,000 a year - not great, granted, but not bad ...... and Bob Crow secured those salary levels.

Was he a dinosaur? I don't think so ..... everyone on here would want him negotiating their Terms and Conditions!

We need men and women like him - people who stand by their principles ... unlike the spineless MP's!!
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RMT aren't worth **** when it comes to private companies, Pete.

Even City Link beat them in court, because the RMT held an illegal strike ballot.
Old 11 March 2014, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
You support the idea of social housing Ding?

Yes, I'm all for social housing if only those who earn £150k + per year get it. After all they put the most into the coffers so they are the most deserving of something back.

So have we finally found common ground then?
Old 11 March 2014, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
He was on £145,000 a year ..... and worth every single penny to his Members who paid him that.

Tube Drivers get around £65,000 a year - not great, granted, but not bad ...... and Bob Crow secured those salary levels.

Was he a dinosaur? I don't think so ..... everyone on here would want him negotiating their Terms and Conditions!

We need men and women like him - people who stand by their principles ... unlike the spineless MP's!!
He ability to secure the salaries and terms and conditions for his members was only due to his ability to bring London's transport system to a standstill costing Londoners and businesses millions of pounds per day.
Old 11 March 2014, 10:49 PM
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Regardless of what you think of his politics and methods if our politicians showed a tenth of the dedication to their jobs as Bob Crow did to his the country would be a better place!
Old 11 March 2014, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
He ability to secure the salaries and terms and conditions for his members was only due to his ability to bring London's transport system to a standstill costing Londoners and businesses millions of pounds per day.

Yup. I wonder how many of those singing his posthumous praises live in London and have been faced with the chaos he has caused with his strikes.

He has held the whole of London to ransom and cost the economy billions just to further the vested interests of a 'handful' of employees.
Old 11 March 2014, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
He ability to secure the salaries and terms and conditions for his members was only due to his ability to bring London's transport system to a standstill costing Londoners and businesses millions of pounds per day.
We bailed out the banks and underwrite their collective risk taking so they don't bring our economic system to a standstill.
Old 11 March 2014, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
We bailed out the banks and underwrite their collective risk taking so they don't bring our economic system to a standstill.
But that's OK Tony as the banks aren't run by socialists or immigrants or council house inhabitants or worse still... socialist immigrants living in council houses!
Old 11 March 2014, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
We bailed out the banks and underwrite their collective risk taking so they don't bring our economic system to a standstill.

And the award for the most tenuous link goes to........
Old 11 March 2014, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
Yes, I'm all for social housing if only those who earn £150k + per year get it. After all they put the most into the coffers so they are the most deserving of something back.

So have we finally found common ground then?
You've already declared that Crow's 'earnings' are ill gotten anyway.

I'm not sure that justice can be measured by money.

It's acquired in many ways.

By your logic, someone who lives out of the pocket of 100 people just because he owns their homes, is more 'deserving' that someone who maybe works 70 hours a week on minimum wage so they can support their family.
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
And the award for the most tenuous link goes to........
No really. You want to say that one form of blackmail is ok and the other isn't.
Old 11 March 2014, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
He ability to secure the salaries and terms and conditions for his members was only due to his ability to bring London's transport system to a standstill costing Londoners and businesses millions of pounds per day.
Indeed life is an ugly contest

And yes he certainly wasn't as shi1t as the bankers

They brought the global economy to its knees

Causing 300 trillion pounds worth of damage to billions of people

But the cVnt did live in a council house - what a fvcking loser
Old 11 March 2014, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Indeed life is an ugly contest And yes he certainly wasn't as shi1t as the bankers They brought the global economy to its knees Causing 300 trillion pounds worth of damage to billions of people But the cVnt did live in a council house - what a fvcking loser
It seems even some in the Bank of England were complicit in rate fixing. This must be one of the ingenious methods banks use to generate wealth.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
You've already declared that Crow's 'earnings' are ill gotten anyway.

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No I haven't
Old 11 March 2014, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
No really. You want to say that one form of blackmail is ok and the other isn't.

No I don't.
Old 11 March 2014, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
It seems even some in the Bank of England were complicit in rate fixing. This must be one of the ingenious methods banks use to generate wealth.

Oh it is a total racket Einstein

Capitalism (and "free" markets) require transparency, otherwise it is simply racketeering

And sadly we have racketeering
Old 11 March 2014, 11:24 PM
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I respect what he stood for, but that's as far as it goes. He effectively held the country to ransom with his strategically timed strikes, punishing the millions of commuters / family's / tourists etc that just want to go about their lives doing their jobs, having a decent holiday / day out etc. good riddens to an idiot as far as I'm concerned.
Old 11 March 2014, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
But the cVnt did live in a council house - what a fvcking loser
Or alternatively he's allowing a potential BTL'er to work instead of sponging off someone elses earnings.
Old 11 March 2014, 11:59 PM
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Before you get all teary eyed over his death, just remember what he said about Margaret Thatcher...

"I wont shed one single tear over her death. She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell"
Old 12 March 2014, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Indeed life is an ugly contest

And yes he certainly wasn't as shi1t as the bankers

They brought the global economy to its knees

Causing 300 trillion pounds worth of damage to billions of people

But the cVnt did live in a council house - what a fvcking loser
So you're comparing one person to a whole industry . He was your typical champagne socialist who wined and dined with the bankers.
Old 12 March 2014, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jonc
So you're comparing one person to a whole industry . He was your typical champagne socialist who wined and dined with the bankers.

Blair is a champagne socialist you tool, he lives in a 3 million pound house in Bayswater and has a golden tan so vivid it can be seen from space


Crow lived in a ***** council house, and dead by 52

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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Blair is a champagne socialist you tool, he lives in a 3 million pound house in Bayswater and has a golden tan so vivid it can be seen from space


Crow lived in a ***** council house, and dead by 52
His option of living in a council house was highly criticised, and rightly so. He took a council house that could have been given to someone who wasnt earning 100k + a year.

He was a prime example of a heart attack waiting to happen. All day I've been hearing various 'friends' of his on the radio / TV saying how shocking it was as he was 'very fit' and went to the gym etc etc. he wasnt fit in the slightest. He was grossly overweight. Ate very rich foods, drunk lots of booze etc etc. a heart attack waiting to happen.
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Originally Posted by Peedee
His option of living in a council house was highly criticised, and rightly so. He took a council house that could have been given to someone who wasnt earning 100k + a year.
Yeah but the people who were vilifying him don't even support the idea of social housing.

They only say that to score points.

They hate the idea of someone either not owning their own home, or not paying rent to a landlord.

Why is that?

It's nothing to do with 'fairness' but making such all suffer equally.
Old 12 March 2014, 06:50 AM
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Comparing him to bankers does him a disservice - Bob Crow was brilliant at his job, Bankers are crap at theirs.

One takes a small salary from very happy payers, the other takes big fat salaries by screwing every person in the country.

He played his cards well - why shouldn't tube drivers earn something approaching the salary of those they are transporting?
Old 12 March 2014, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Before you get all teary eyed over his death, just remember what he said about Margaret Thatcher...

"I wont shed one single tear over her death. She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell"
Oh! in that case good thing the communist cvunt is dead then. The way the BBC eulogised him both on the news site and on the 10 o'clock news was ridiculous. If it was up to them then he would get a state funeral too I'm sure!
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Yeah but the people who were vilifying him don't even support the idea of social housing.

They only say that to score points.

They hate the idea of someone either not owning their own home, or not paying rent to a landlord.

Why is that?

It's nothing to do with 'fairness' but making such all suffer equally.

Not at all, but he should have moved out and left it for some one else to occupy

And that other old crow should NOT have flogged off stock to buy votes ( without commitment to replace )
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Yeah but the people who were vilifying him don't even support the idea of social housing.

They only say that to score points.

They hate the idea of someone either not owning their own home, or not paying rent to a landlord.

Why is that?

It's nothing to do with 'fairness' but making such all suffer equally.


Don't be so obtuse, you are starting to make a fool of yourself by always comparing every topic of conversation to BTL. You just come across as a one dimensional troll.

What I have issue with is the idea that somebody who earns £165k per year continues to live in a tax payer subsidised property. As a so called man of principle did he really think he was the most deserving of this precious commodity?

His council property was also none too shoddy btw, four bed detached.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bo...ml%3B634%3B413
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Originally Posted by Peedee
I respect what he stood for, but that's as far as it goes. He effectively held the country to ransom with his strategically timed strikes, punishing the millions of commuters / family's / tourists etc that just want to go about their lives doing their jobs, having a decent holiday / day out etc. good riddens to an idiot as far as I'm concerned.
Nobody will take you seriously unless you've got bargaining power. Fortunately for his members and unfortunately for his protagonists Bob had plenty of bargaining power and the testicular fortitude to use it. Ultimately his loyalty and effort was to get the best deal for his members. He was doing something right as he pissed a lot of people off.
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
Nobody will take you seriously unless you've got bargaining power. Fortunately for his members and unfortunately for his protagonists Bob had plenty of bargaining power and the testicular fortitude to use it. Ultimately his loyalty and effort was to get the best deal for his members. He was doing something right as he pissed a lot of people off.
Absolutely. What members of Scoobynet's Third Reich don't seem to undertsand is that if Bob went to the paymasters and asked nicely for a pay rise for his members or better conditions they didn't tend to listen, but he sure got their attention when London ground to a halt


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