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Old Mar 10, 2014 | 10:37 AM
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This is pretty worrying. My son might go to one of those schools and whilst i certainly don't want him to grow up to be a coconut i wouldn't want him wasting his time of political allegiances in following some cleric either. I'm cool with the religious upbringing but not with the 'supposed' jihad bit. The word jihad is overused these days anyway. It is not a term for fighting for Arab beef but a term for genuine struggle. I've read up about Al-Zakawaki, his 'turning' to extremist road is very interesting. A good read for all those who think that people are 'turned' at the mosque. The fact that the Americans murdered his son who had bugger all to do with anything is probably another reason why he justifies his beef.
Shaid, you're a bright chap. I'm not being patronising I hasten to add, but think IF such an agenda was being attempted would it not have been done covertly and silently? What would be the point if it became public knowledge?
You, I and many others would instantly and rightly condemn it and show it up for the idiocy it is. In a day and age when certain Imams are being transported in Bentleys and puffing on joints in between sermons, Islam is a disjointed and splintered affair. There are so many different groups and factions that it's akin to Gary Glitter's 'Do you wanna be in my gang my gang?'
Remember it's the crocodile that you don't see that gets you.
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Old Mar 10, 2014 | 01:06 PM
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Shaid, you're a bright chap. I'm not being patronising I hasten to add, but think IF such an agenda was being attempted would it not have been done covertly and silently? What would be the point if it became public knowledge?
You, I and many others would instantly and rightly condemn it and show it up for the idiocy it is. In a day and age when certain Imams are being transported in Bentleys and puffing on joints in between sermons, Islam is a disjointed and splintered affair. There are so many different groups and factions that it's akin to Gary Glitter's 'Do you wanna be in my gang my gang?'
Remember it's the crocodile that you don't see that gets you.
It's the normal politics surrounding every single workplace in the UK. Normally the workplace has stories and politics around ********, gossip, general backstabbing with everyone trying to make themselves better than the other.

But seriously though, does anyone other than the tin foil hat brigade believe that some cleric was standing in assembly going on about how all the kids should wage jihad against west/headteacher/infidels/etc?

Who knows maybe it did happen but the thought that some sort of trojan horse campaign being effective and turning a school full of kids into potential terrorists being effective - put simply, these clerics need employing... their skills could be put to other uses and potentially used to brainwash a generation of indigenous chav to be model citizens and stop their destructive chav lifestyle which frankly benefits nobody and does nothing to further society but hey.. let's not let get facts in the way of a bit of Muzzie bashing
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Old Mar 11, 2014 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
Shaid, you're a bright chap. I'm not being patronising I hasten to add, but think IF such an agenda was being attempted would it not have been done covertly and silently? What would be the point if it became public knowledge?
You, I and many others would instantly and rightly condemn it and show it up for the idiocy it is. In a day and age when certain Imams are being transported in Bentleys and puffing on joints in between sermons, Islam is a disjointed and splintered affair. There are so many different groups and factions that it's akin to Gary Glitter's 'Do you wanna be in my gang my gang?'
Remember it's the crocodile that you don't see that gets you.


Now that sounds like my kind of religion. How do I become an Imam then?
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Old Mar 11, 2014 | 08:56 AM
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Islam should be banned, we have enough trouble with religion in the uk without adopting someone elses, if its banned these fools will go home
The only fool is you with such a stupid comment!

What do you really know about Islam? Other than what you hear in the news about "Muslim Extremest"?
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Old Mar 11, 2014 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by juggers
The only fool is you with such a stupid comment!

What do you really know about Islam? Other than what you hear in the news about "Muslim Extremest"?
These are the same people who have no problem listening to a "muslim", when they are getting advice about subarus and modding
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Old Mar 11, 2014 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by banny sti
These are the same people who have no problem listening to a "muslim", when they are getting advice about subarus and modding
Well said
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Old Mar 11, 2014 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by banny sti
These are the same people who have no problem listening to a "muslim", when they are getting advice about subarus and modding
Go Banny, go Banny
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Old Mar 11, 2014 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mouser
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...ingham-6782881

Here's another source from Birmingham!
'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'

Secret documents allege extremist conspiracy to remove heads and staff through dirty tricks campaign
So apparently 'secret' documents 'allege' a 'conspiracy'....

I suppose you still believe that Sadam has WMDs don't you?
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Old Mar 11, 2014 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
Now that sounds like my kind of religion. How do I become an Imam then?
Go to Iran then....

http://iranian.com/main/blog/fesenjo...-15-steps.html
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Old Mar 11, 2014 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaid


I don't see the bit where I get a Bentley and smoke skunk all day....
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Old Mar 11, 2014 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaid
So apparently 'secret' documents 'allege' a 'conspiracy'....

I suppose you still believe that Sadam has WMDs don't you?
Calm down cupcake, it's only a link.

Who's Sadam?
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Old Mar 11, 2014 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
I don't see the bit where I get a Bentley and smoke skunk all day....
Ding that comes once you're established and have a following. :-D

Joking aside it's funny how things that start with innate faith always end up in politics.
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Old Mar 11, 2014 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mouser
Calm down cupcake, it's only a link.

Who's Sadam?
Sadam is some Iraqi guy who had gold underwear.
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Old Mar 12, 2014 | 04:10 PM
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Surely it is a matter of eventual total control isn't it?

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Old Mar 13, 2014 | 11:08 PM
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Will never happen in the UK.
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Old Mar 14, 2014 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by juggers

The only fool is you with such a stupid comment!

What do you really know about Islam? Other than what you hear in the news about "Muslim Extremest"?
That comment is aimed at muslim extremists, i dont know much about islam but i do know its bull**** like all other religions and causes problems
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 09:57 AM
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Seems there is more going on with this story, and at least some evidence to justify widening the enquiry...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-27020970
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Old Jun 10, 2014 | 11:34 AM
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Seems a bit quiet on here considering the report has now been released, and things are worse than first thought.

We have schools that are indoctrinating children with backward beliefs, poisoning any chance of integration. Left unchecked this can only lead to civil war
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Old Jun 10, 2014 | 11:45 AM
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where does this leave the much vaunted faith based schools
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Old Jun 10, 2014 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Seems a bit quiet on here considering the report has now been released, and things are worse than first thought.

We have schools that are indoctrinating children with backward beliefs, poisoning any chance of integration. Left unchecked this can only lead to civil war
Bearing in mind the original letter was more Trojan Hoax than Horse and the 'report' rejected as bollox by most, excuse me if I don't share your misgivings.
However I do believe the greedy divisive capitalist greed could start civil unrest. More so than a few schools (nearly all of whom were grade as very good/good).
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Old Jun 10, 2014 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
We have schools that are indoctrinating children with backward beliefs, poisoning any chance of integration. Left unchecked this can only lead to civil war
Oh please do shut up!

What is it with your type and war? Did you not have enough with Iraq and Afghan? Or was it that you didn't actually get a taste of war during those illegal invasions but yearn it so that you have a story to tell your grandkids (that's on the assumption that you survive).
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Old Jun 10, 2014 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
In a day and age when certain Imams are being transported in Bentleys and puffing on joints in between sermons
How do I get to be an Imam? I can do that!
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Old Jun 10, 2014 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Seems a bit quiet on here considering the report has now been released, and things are worse than first thought.

We have schools that are indoctrinating children with backward beliefs, poisoning any chance of integration. Left unchecked this can only lead to civil war
Any idea who this civil war will be between? I need to weigh up their merits before deciding which side to be on
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Old Jun 10, 2014 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
How do I get to be an Imam? I can do that!
You have become a landlord first, hence why they're now swanning around in Bentleys.
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Old Jun 10, 2014 | 05:03 PM
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You have become a landlord first, hence why they're now swanning around in Bentleys.
Ouch! Low blow.
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Old Jun 10, 2014 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Seems a bit quiet on here considering the report has now been released, and things are worse than first thought.

We have schools that are indoctrinating children with backward beliefs, poisoning any chance of integration. Left unchecked this can only lead to civil war
Civil war?... Maybe!!!
Certainly big trouble!!!
I've never been to Birmingham but saw it in the news yesterday reporting about the Trojan horse, Birmingham could be mistaken for India or afghan! Jeez didn't realise it was more foreign than British!
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Old Jun 10, 2014 | 05:25 PM
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I wouldn't call it a Trojan horse more like a veiled plan.

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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
I wouldn't call it a Trojan horse more like a veiled plan.

Haha, very true.
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Old Jun 10, 2014 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
Ouch! Low blow.
I have noticed recently that he's quite good at those.
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Old Jun 11, 2014 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by stipete75
Civil war?... Maybe!!!
Certainly big trouble!!!
I've never been to Birmingham but saw it in the news yesterday reporting about the Trojan horse, Birmingham could be mistaken for India or afghan! Jeez didn't realise it was more foreign than British!
I take it you presume British = White

I also assume you think Britain was originally a Christian country.
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