New UK Subaru Sti - Due April/May
20 June 2014, 10:58 PM
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20 June 2014, 11:05 PM
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Thats the point. The 2014 car was supposed to look like it but they have now decided the 2016 will take on more of its looks.
Everyone needs to email subaru to tell them we need more power with those looks!
Everyone needs to email subaru to tell them we need more power with those looks!
20 June 2014, 11:08 PM
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If I had £1 for every time I liked a concept design and I was disappointed by the end product, I'd have £12.
20 June 2014, 11:16 PM
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21 June 2014, 07:48 AM
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Until people start looking at the Global view and not just the UK you'll always think they are
21 June 2014, 08:18 AM
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21 June 2014, 08:20 AM
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I really do take on board everything you say and iam here for that very reason, to learn from people like your self that clearly have a greater knowledge than me.
The sticking point for me is when I do my little bit of research I see it differently. Take John from Mangoletsi for example, he has the hard facts and statistics for the engine failures at his disposal and he says its simply not the case.
There was a thread a little while back where a wheel on a new golf collapsed, never mind pistons, that could kill you. Then theres Mercedes who for years had one of the worst customer service around. If you look at the bigger picture then maybe the Germans will come out on top but Subaru aren't the only car firm to make mistakes.
The way I see it is people can come on to this thread and be positive which is contributing to a better future for Subaru or be negative which in no way does any good.
Just look at the work John is doing, if you go back to the start of this thread it was not looking that good. All you could read was the warranty it no good and it needs more power, well a few months down the line and we have it, and now John is talking about 400BHP.
With regards to you saying people won't buy it
there selling like hot cakes aren't they.
p.s do you think I have blown enough smoke up John's **** to get a discount or should I keep going.
The sticking point for me is when I do my little bit of research I see it differently. Take John from Mangoletsi for example, he has the hard facts and statistics for the engine failures at his disposal and he says its simply not the case.
There was a thread a little while back where a wheel on a new golf collapsed, never mind pistons, that could kill you. Then theres Mercedes who for years had one of the worst customer service around. If you look at the bigger picture then maybe the Germans will come out on top but Subaru aren't the only car firm to make mistakes.
The way I see it is people can come on to this thread and be positive which is contributing to a better future for Subaru or be negative which in no way does any good.
Just look at the work John is doing, if you go back to the start of this thread it was not looking that good. All you could read was the warranty it no good and it needs more power, well a few months down the line and we have it, and now John is talking about 400BHP.
With regards to you saying people won't buy it
there selling like hot cakes aren't they.p.s do you think I have blown enough smoke up John's **** to get a discount or should I keep going.
Not enough yet Chris, keep going
21 June 2014, 08:27 AM
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Just read the 2.5 engine thread, plenty of instances in there of engine failures before the end of the warranty, you expect an engine to last 150k minimum now, not 20-30k.
Chris, the hard facts are reported by the owners, if IM say no we are not covering it, then it wont be classed as a warranty claim, no warranty claim = not registered as a failure.
That engine still has issues, If it has issues then people will avoid it, and as for those buying, I know a few who have purchased one, they have never owned a Subaru before so.... what you have to ask yourself is how many people who have owned a Subaru before are buying one, and I bet its not that many
Chris, the hard facts are reported by the owners, if IM say no we are not covering it, then it wont be classed as a warranty claim, no warranty claim = not registered as a failure.
That engine still has issues, If it has issues then people will avoid it, and as for those buying, I know a few who have purchased one, they have never owned a Subaru before so.... what you have to ask yourself is how many people who have owned a Subaru before are buying one, and I bet its not that many
Again, sorry, but I have to disagree with you, and I have the orders to prove it. All but 2 of the orders I have taken are from people who have owned Subaru's before, most of them previous or current WRX STi owners.
21 June 2014, 08:30 AM
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21 June 2014, 08:32 AM
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21 June 2014, 08:33 AM
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21 June 2014, 09:22 AM
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21 June 2014, 09:33 AM
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But unfortunately it's behind the times. Other manufacturers are banging out engines that are just as usable that are cheaper to run and tax. That won't matter to many but it will to some.
The new STI is a fantastic car, well planted with sharp steering. For the performance motoring enthusiast it's certainly worth considering if you're in the market for a car with poke. But many people who do more than a handful of miles and intend to own the car more than a couple of years will go German because of the emissions and fuel economy.
21 June 2014, 10:11 AM
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21 June 2014, 10:31 AM
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21 June 2014, 12:07 PM
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I'm unsure what the fitment is,but it looks like the old stereo kind of, so with that in mind, as long as you get the fitment kit the rest is easy, I remember fitting the 930bt in my saloon,
Beauty about subarus is there pretty raw underneath so once you've dropped the speedo out and stereo routing wires is easy enough , just earth out the handbrake switch, so you can watch movies whilst driving JK lol
But labour from john would be in that price so it isn't that bad, takes an hour or 2 to do.
Beauty about subarus is there pretty raw underneath so once you've dropped the speedo out and stereo routing wires is easy enough , just earth out the handbrake switch, so you can watch movies whilst driving JK lol
But labour from john would be in that price so it isn't that bad, takes an hour or 2 to do.
21 June 2014, 12:11 PM
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I'm unsure what the fitment is,but it looks like the old stereo kind of, so with that in mind, as long as you get the fitment kit the rest is easy, I remember fitting the 930bt in my saloon,
Beauty about subarus is there pretty raw underneath so once you've dropped the speedo out and stereo routing wires is easy enough , just earth out the handbrake switch, so you can watch movies whilst driving JK lol
But labour from john would be in that price so it isn't that bad, takes an hour or 2 to do.
Beauty about subarus is there pretty raw underneath so once you've dropped the speedo out and stereo routing wires is easy enough , just earth out the handbrake switch, so you can watch movies whilst driving JK lol
But labour from john would be in that price so it isn't that bad, takes an hour or 2 to do.
21 June 2014, 02:53 PM
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There are lots of instances I agree TonyBurns, but put that into perspective of volume of cars sold, and you would be very surprised by the percentage of cars that had problems. I totally agree it could have been handled much better, but that's the past, and from the daily experience I have dealing with IM and Subaru, there are no problems that we come across, especially when you compare it to other manufacturers that we deal with on a daily basis.
Again, sorry, but I have to disagree with you, and I have the orders to prove it. All but 2 of the orders I have taken are from people who have owned Subaru's before, most of them previous or current WRX STi owners.
Again, sorry, but I have to disagree with you, and I have the orders to prove it. All but 2 of the orders I have taken are from people who have owned Subaru's before, most of them previous or current WRX STi owners.
* I know tomorrow won't be November
, but the past is very definitely the past 
21 June 2014, 03:07 PM
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Mine's one of those November ones and I'm returning to the marque after a break since I abandoned my MY04 STi for a GS450h a few years ago. I'm quite happy to let the past be the past and for tomorrow to be 15th of November*
* I know tomorrow won't be November , but the past is very definitely the past
* I know tomorrow won't be November
, but the past is very definitely the past very jealousIgnore the others I don't know what there trying achieve it's not like the subaru CEO is going to read this thread and spend R&D on a full engine redevelopment or for them to be phased by "ohhhh the Germans are sooo much better"
If the haters on this thread even consider other cars then Subaru 2014 isn't for them and they should go ahead with another purchase
And arguing over buying and fitting a head unit yourself, so you even need to ask that question? If you can find the head unit cheaper then maybe go ahead and buy it yourself and fit it for cheaper.....
Fooking time wasters
21 June 2014, 05:08 PM
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It is intriguing reading back through this thread from the OP's initial comments and questions to see the various minds at work - ok, I didn't make every page of the 43, but I read a fair few...
Yes, there was an issue, sure Subaru didn't handle it best, but then they haven't handled a number of things particularly brilliantly, but they ultimately are an FHI division and perhaps then not quite as savvy as some other corporates who are through and through motor-mad. They had a major, key player slice of a narrow market segment for major performance at a reasonable price and had a fun battle with Evo-land and they traded that in for a teeny-tiny slice of a huge, rather mundane hatchback market and screwed their market leading branding in the segment they dominated. That's silly and it's sad and we lost out quite a lot. All of that doesn't ultimately make them bad people, just not right all the time.
Some people have had bad experiences with the 2.5 at one stage of its life when silly errors made bad stuff happen. If it was a fundamental design issue with the engine then John's figures across the lifetime of that lump would surely have been far higher and angst would have spread further and wider than these forums? If it was a relatively straightforward fix that costs a relatively few pounds per motor then any company with any kind of financial person at the any helm would have said "sort that" because it just makes financial sense. EVEN if they are going to knock back claims every single one costs a very significant sum in the mere admin of processing and knocking back and getting the legals in to make sure the base is covered and not to mention sums from people who pushed it further. A simple fix to a basically good design is going to lead to notably small percentages as per John's comments up there ^.
For those that have had bad experiences or known those that have then there's bound to be angst and bitterness, and probably fairly so in some cases. However, some seem to base their research of the matter on the opinions of others and if those opinions are tainted by bad experience then they might not actually be the most unbiased opinions and opinions ultimately make not a balanced case.
On the basis of this logic I'm looking forward to it
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21 June 2014, 08:25 PM
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* clearly I have no data on which to base that assessment, but I figured it'd be worth a shot
and if John's done his thing with it and so you're up-spec'd then I'm even wronger