f1_fan

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You buy one then! Put your money where your mouth is!

Littleted

Your right in a way devil, I don't question this thing being looked at, I think all of us that had the older model still got second glances, its a nice feeling.

As to the engine issue, I never had an issue with mine. I think the angle of attack from us all to Hulk was, that the engine is

A. Known to have issues so advising him
B. behind the times

For 28K more people will look at you in the Scooby than any other at that price.

Although for my Money and due to current lack of R&D from Subaru, high emissions High tax, super Unleaded Only, old school ****.

Id be putting my Money into a Golf R or Audi S3 or M135i. Or waiting for Seat to drop the 300BHP Cupra R
And I myself would have had one, if Subaru had hit the Magical 350-400BHP used a new 2.0L block and allowed me to use any fuel

mickp

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And there speaks someone who really hasn't done his homework

XDevil666

if i had 30k cash spare i would, i don't do finance, loans or lease so its not an option for me.

But for you all to sit here hammering away typing a load of bollocks because someone pre-ordered a car

i don't disagree that Golf R or Audi S3 or M135i and that over priced AMG are all cool looking cars... BUT how many of them do you see on the road everyday?

i really don't get why your all on a Subaru forum anyway if all you do is hate anything thats not a classic or newage 2.0

The Golf, the Audi, the A45 are all great looking cars, BUT no offence to anyone that has any of them, they would all quite happily sit in the Mecca Bingo carpark alongside there lower spec versions waiting for the pensioners to come outside.

How many times do you drive past those cars and say "oh there is another one"

Littleted

A45 never, not seen one yet.

Love to know how many A45s you've seen. and Golf Rs for that fact, not seen one of them either

f1_fan

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It's not bollocks though is it? I personally know of three owners who won't touch a Subaru again due to them having engine issues with the 2.5!

I know of no one that has had an engine issue with an AMG despite there being, as you say, so many of them (not that I see all these AMGs you talk about, but maybe I drive around with my eyes shut ).

By the way I choose AMG as the comparison here soley because I own one now and therefore know plenty of other owmners, not saying they are direct competitors or anything else!

XDevil666

are you and f1_fan taking the **** here or something?

maybe its just me and my 200 mile daily commute along the motorway, but i think you have rose tinted glasses or something, either that or god knows where you live

there are plenty of them! (midlands to north)

and AMG engine failures? again your taking the ****? not remember when AMG got sued over the V8 engine failures?

how about you both go join mercedesclub.org.uk and go and stick your stuck up your own ***** self's on there

f1_fan

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Er... unsuccessfully sued as it happens! Don't let truth get in the way of your rant though will you?

Ayway I said "I know of no one that has had an engine issue with an AMG" as in me personally! Whereas I know of 3 people who have had issues with the 2.5 Subaru engine despite them being such a rare sought after car

Already joined thanks and I find that not only are they polite (unlike you), but they can construct proper Emglish sentences also unlike you!

Hope you get your 2.5 Scoob eventually and hope it blows up on you

XDevil666

Anyway*, English* i think you meant

count on one hand how many people you know with a AMG, and also how many you know with a 2.5 on the other, i'm sure you will see the percentage is higher on the latter.

and i hope you drown in the bath tonight

But good news that you have found some new buddies, how about you close your Subaru account, considering we are now all below you.

mickp

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XDevill666

If your original point had the slightest bit of credibility, I reckon you have just destroyed it

Hol

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AMG certainly have nothing to crow about.

Pistonheads is full of disapointed C63 owners comments, chopping their cars in for something else as soon as they are able. The C63 is supposed to be the Mercedes dogs danglies.

Indeed, there were some ammazingly huge discounts available from your local AMG dealer at the end of last year, as they had a lot of stock to move.

Having said that, the Sport models of the marque (the ones that have AMG badged wheels and some AMG stickers) are selling very well, although that may be done to the fact that lease deals for the poverty C200-E220 models are probably the cheapest out there.

I have gone German myself, but for a 2014 Audi S4, which will be replacing my 7 year old 2.5ltr Scoob.

Why am I selling it, because it has been so perfect and faultless - I ended up holding onto it for way-way too long and I really should get something new with similar power.

Littleted

hey devil I,ll come see you when I get my A45 I see your in Leeds like me, we can Donut together in Bramley Macdonalds, :P

but come on Mate be honest with us, I don't know what car you drive, but would you spend 30k on a car with an Engine like the 2.5, considering what you already know being a Subaru veteran.

Appreciate the 2.0L was a nice hunk of metal.

I also drive the M1 and have done for the last 18 Months all the way to chesterfield and ive yet to see an A45, there is 1 at Leeds Merc and hes sold 2 this 1/4. I hazard a guess at possibly 1 or 2 Leeds side.

Consider the entire dealerships can only sell 88 a year or 22 a 1/4 and the wait time is anything from 6 to 9 month unless you get a pre order or cancellation.

and of course the percentage will be higher, but then again there are a lot of council estates in England, and that's where a majority of the older subarus live. Not a place for an AMG
picture of a majority Subaru owner

f1_fan

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Sorry, but wtf are you on about?

No thanks as only a few of you are below me, plus I still quite like it here as the place has some nostalgia for me, it makes me remember back to a time when Subaru built proper reliable value for money cars.... and when the owners weren't myopic dolts who can't see past one marque!

f1_fan

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Yes and I am not surprised. At the end of the day it's a rep-miobile with a big engine in it and is not a very comfortable car especially over long journeys.

I think peole got sucked in by the AMG badge and the engine/drive and thought all the other luxury trappings would be present too... and they're not!

You need an E class or S class for that!

mickp

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It's fair to say that there are several 2.5 engines that have given good, long, reliable service. To suggest however that those that have failed have all suffered as a result of poor modding, lack of maintenance or general miss-use is just wrong.

S4 is a great looking motor BTW

XDevil666

me personally if i had 30k cash i would be signing the logbook on a GTR right now,

and i agree with your Subaru's living on the council estates, but you been from Leeds surely must have been for a drive down dewsbury and bradford and seen all those AMG's on those estates

But im not talking about Subaru's, im talking about the brand new 2014 STI which i believe deserves to be on alot of driveways

also when you get your A45 let me know what time your leaving the collection point, i will bring an impreza down and watch your face as your looking at your rev counter saying "is it moving?"

f1_fan you are stuck in the past, time has moved on, and i can very much see past 1 marquee, my point was that you shouldnt be knocking a guy because he picked a Subaru (not a AMG) its time for you and your wrinkly old *** to leave here now

Littleted

Bradford and Dewsbury have certain population differences, that indeed do posses a ****load of AMG normally the Rich ones, and the poor pikeys have Subaru or R32s.

I wont be nailing it for 1000miles, but I,ll wave at you as your being Bummed at the Pumps for your super unleaded.

f1_fan

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I am not knocking anyone and it has nothing to do with AMGs (as I clearly stated although you read what you want into my posts it seems), but I am just pointing out hard facts and those hard facts are that the 2.5 engine has issues! End of!

Oh and I'll decide when it's time to leave here (or the mods will) thanks... and it won't be any time soon!

f1_fan

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Or while he's in the repair shop having his engine forged like it should have been in the first place

john banks

Not a good idea, they are a chav's wet dream, driven by tossers, just like Subarus.

EssexJamie

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What GTR can you get new for £30k?

Hol

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Mr B.
I'll have you know that some of my neighbours actually own their caravans.

Although none of them own Foresters as a daily.
But it is still a Subaru....

thenewgalaxy

The kind that I suspect many of us wouldn't touch with a 20ft pole!

rob84

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Personally I think you really need to research before slating owners of these vehicles that have had genuine failures. Because your statement is just utter Bollocks.

You will find if you use the search function located at the top of the page or the 2.5 engine thread you'll see the ones that have been mapped had been proven to last longer, infact allot are still like this.

Speaking from experience and running one that was mapped on std internals as far as it would go on the turbo it had at the time, it did a quite credible 30,200 miles before it shat itself and that got the beating of it's life daily, I was prepared to take the risk and a batch of fuel killed it off. Personally I don't care I just built one and threw it in, easy come easy go still not as good as the old 2.0 motor.

lordharding

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I would like to nominate this as a serious condender for the post of the year


Littleted and F1 at their fineest

I deal in facts and maybe if you read the sticky about 2.5 engine failures you will know why people with 10-15 years experience have had problems with the Subaru engine

People like Mick P another long time Vetern of the scoobyworld don't mess about

If the new STi had been a new engine with out the proven history of the previous one I would of been counting the days untill Stan palmers would be ringing me telling me to come and collect it
Untill now I'm happy with my classic and will be very interested on the A45 AMG

But I would just need the mechano rear spolier and stripes to bring out the boy racer in me

73henny

Why do you say that? A45 uses super unleaded as well, unless you want reduced performance and higher fuel consumption. In fact the manual says not using 98Ron 'you can otherwise impair engine output or damage engine'

So what's it to be?, get 'bummed' as you so eloquently put it, or ignore the manual and put the engine at risk?

In any case, paying £40k for a small family hatch that does 25mpg in the real world then worrying about the extra cost of super unleaded is odd to say the least.

thenewgalaxy

This is not an attack on Ted, but most people who buy these things new don't care anyway, they cane them for three years and then hand them back.

Who can blame them?

T5NYW

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Sorry that's not quite true I've bought 3 UK Scoobs two were brand new and one 4 months old.

Bought 1 JDM 3 month old and two older JDMs.

I was one go the 40 people that spent £34k + £4k of options on a 2011 saloon.

So not jealous of anyone.

Sorry but that is TOTALLY horse @@@@. you can't tar everyone with the same brush.

You must be female or work for Subaru.!!! As when women and Subaru say "everyone" they really mean one or two. Which has really alienated a loyal customer base.

I know for a fact that 4 of my mates who were all enthusiast and far more sensible than I . They Only use optimax, serviced as per schedule, only every had dealer fitted subaru approved modifications such as PPP etc. Never been on track. But Their 2.5ltr all let go.

On the up side my 2011 2.5ltr everyone said wouldn't last 6months is nearly 3years old.

If the 2014 model had the 2.0ltr DIT engine I'd have bought one. It's a 2.5ltr so haven't.


Tony

bioforger

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What about the reliability of the DIT motor though? no one really knows yet how good it is, for all you know it could even be worse

mickp

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Surely given all that has gone on with the 2.5, they couldn't release another pup could they

Actually it really wouldn't surprise me