Unemployment down again.
23 January 2014, 10:54 AM
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23 January 2014, 11:23 AM
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No, I'm saying the figures can't be trusted. We had a thread recently where you criticised me for suggesting the crime figures couldn't be trusted yet:
Police crime figures lose official status over claims of fiddling
Told you so!
Police crime figures lose official status over claims of fiddling
Told you so!
23 January 2014, 11:28 AM
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23 January 2014, 11:31 AM
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No, I'm saying the figures can't be trusted. We had a thread recently where you criticised me for suggesting the crime figures couldn't be trusted yet:
Police crime figures lose official status over claims of fiddling
Told you so!
Police crime figures lose official status over claims of fiddling
Told you so!
All I’ll say (again) about the crimes stats, is that the trend is clear and consistent. Are the numbers manipulated? Probably yes, but I say again the trend is clear and wholly consistent with the Nation Crime Survey (unless we are all suffering some kind of mass delusion) and the pattern of crime from most major developed countries. If you have anything of substance to challenge these very straightforward and logical conclusions, I suggest you post them up, as I’ll a very interested to read them.
23 January 2014, 11:41 AM
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Oh and it is you who keep banging on about proof not me!
Basically I called you out and I was right so now you are... dare I say it... wriggling
All I’ll say (again) about the crimes stats, is that the trend is clear and consistent. Are the numbers manipulated? Probably yes, but I say again the trend is clear and wholly consistent with the Nation Crime Survey (unless we are all suffering some kind of mass delusion) and the pattern of crime from most major developed countries. If you have anything of substance to challenge these very straightforward and logical conclusions, I suggest you post them up, as I’ll a very interested to read them.
Have you any idea how idiotic that makes you sound? 
I think you need to take some of your own medicine over believing what you want to believe and evidence etc.
23 January 2014, 11:49 AM
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Nope, I did check it wasn't just the media being their usual selves. The fact remains the figures have officially been deemed unofficial as they have been proven, in some cases, to have been made up!
Oh and it is you who keep banging on about proof not me!
Basically I called you out and I was right so now you are... dare I say it... wriggling
The trend is clear yet the figures are probbaly manipulated. Have you any idea how idiotic that makes you sound?
I think you need to take some of your own medicine over believing what you want to believe and evidence etc.
Oh and it is you who keep banging on about proof not me!
Basically I called you out and I was right so now you are... dare I say it... wriggling
The trend is clear yet the figures are probbaly manipulated.
Have you any idea how idiotic that makes you sound? I think you need to take some of your own medicine over believing what you want to believe and evidence etc.
Me wriggling, or you desperately trying to avoid the basic logic again?
Can you answer my very straightforward and logical points?
23 January 2014, 12:03 PM
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At the end of the day the figures you base your arguments on are inacuurate. Doesn't suit your agenda to admit that so you just bluster on.
You're not worth wasting time on these days really to be honest!
23 January 2014, 12:08 PM
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You haven't made any or asked anything. Just the usual Martin intonations of 'this is how it is and you're all stupid if you think otherwise'.
At the end of the day the figures you base your arguments on are inacuurate. Doesn't suit your agenda to admit that so you just bluster on.
You're not worth wasting time on these days really to be honest!
At the end of the day the figures you base your arguments on are inacuurate. Doesn't suit your agenda to admit that so you just bluster on.
You're not worth wasting time on these days really to be honest!
23 January 2014, 12:32 PM
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Read this, I think you might be confusing the Police stats with the NCS
btw - your link makes exactly the same points
Good timing...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25858421
Here's the very latest stats - the 'fiddled' Police stats are now removed from the official government numbers, for all the reasons you have pointed out.
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23 January 2014, 12:46 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25831906
Read this, I think you might be confusing the Police stats with the NCS
btw - your link makes exactly the same points
Good timing...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25858421
Here's the very latest stats - the 'fiddled' Police stats are now removed from the official government numbers, for all the reasons you have pointed out.
Read this, I think you might be confusing the Police stats with the NCS
btw - your link makes exactly the same points
Good timing...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25858421
Here's the very latest stats - the 'fiddled' Police stats are now removed from the official government numbers, for all the reasons you have pointed out.
It is in any government's interests to see crime drop and unemployment drop.... it is also within their power to make it seem like that is the case via any number of methods.
Maybe everything is rosy in the world of crime and jobs, but I can only judge by what I see and experience and in the case of the former I don't believe what we are being told!
23 January 2014, 12:58 PM
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Sigh... yes, but until a month or two ago you would have told me that both sets of statistics were official and to be trusted. How are we to know whether the NCS figures are any more reliable?
It is in any government's interests to see crime drop and unemployment drop.... it is also within their power to make it seem like that is the case via any number of methods.
Maybe everything is rosy in the world of crime and jobs, but I can only judge by what I see and experience and in the case of the former I don't believe what we are being told!
It is in any government's interests to see crime drop and unemployment drop.... it is also within their power to make it seem like that is the case via any number of methods.
Maybe everything is rosy in the world of crime and jobs, but I can only judge by what I see and experience and in the case of the former I don't believe what we are being told!
impenetrable, to logic, facts or rationality.
You believe what you like...
23 January 2014, 12:59 PM
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23 January 2014, 01:04 PM
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On thinking about this I think you (Martin) are happy to believe everything you read as long as it has the word official on it whereas I choose to believe nothing I read and question everything.
The truth of course lies in the middle gorund, but I think my approach is far safer given the way politics operates within all these spheres these days!
Finally to give you an example of why I think the crime stats are probably way off. My AMG was badly vandalised 3 days after Lee Rigby's murder (the morons who did it decided I was a Muslim and deserved to have a 'go home' slogan carved in the paintwork as well as the rear window smashed etc.).
The police were called and the two officers who attended were excellent. The car was eventually taken by the insurance company to an approved repair centre and it took 9 weeks to get it repaired. I mention the length of time as any incident resulting in me being deprived of my vehicle for that length of time due to the amount of damage caused I see as a genuine crime.... not a minor incident.
I had to fight to get a crime refrence number as despite how good the officers in attendence were it seems that their superiors wanted to classify it as a car accident and not a crime. Needless to say I didn't let that happen!
The truth of course lies in the middle gorund, but I think my approach is far safer given the way politics operates within all these spheres these days!
Finally to give you an example of why I think the crime stats are probably way off. My AMG was badly vandalised 3 days after Lee Rigby's murder (the morons who did it decided I was a Muslim and deserved to have a 'go home' slogan carved in the paintwork as well as the rear window smashed etc.).
The police were called and the two officers who attended were excellent. The car was eventually taken by the insurance company to an approved repair centre and it took 9 weeks to get it repaired. I mention the length of time as any incident resulting in me being deprived of my vehicle for that length of time due to the amount of damage caused I see as a genuine crime.... not a minor incident.
I had to fight to get a crime refrence number as despite how good the officers in attendence were it seems that their superiors wanted to classify it as a car accident and not a crime. Needless to say I didn't let that happen!
23 January 2014, 01:06 PM
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23 January 2014, 01:11 PM
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BTW many may not like The Guardian, but it was just about the only paper to come out of Leveson with any integrity!
23 January 2014, 01:17 PM
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23 January 2014, 01:40 PM
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Wrong - I was arguing that the TREND in criminality has been heading down since 1995, based upon multiple data points and logical conclusion. You were the one going on about evil conspiracies, dodgy stats and lying politicians (as always)
23 January 2014, 04:49 PM
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The bottom line is this
1) Unemployment down
2) Those in employment is up
3) Interest rates low, and no they won't be going up in the very near future
4) Growth is up. We are now the fastest growing economy in Europe.
5) Inflation is falling.
So chillax, have a beer and enjoy your life.
Ps: some people will always moan and whine. It's tedious and boring
1) Unemployment down
2) Those in employment is up
3) Interest rates low, and no they won't be going up in the very near future
4) Growth is up. We are now the fastest growing economy in Europe.
5) Inflation is falling.
So chillax, have a beer and enjoy your life.
Ps: some people will always moan and whine. It's tedious and boring
23 January 2014, 04:54 PM
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23 January 2014, 04:55 PM
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The bottom line is this
1) Unemployment down
2) Those in employment is up
3) Interest rates low, and no they won't be going up in the very near future
4) Growth is up. We are now the fastest growing economy in Europe.
5) Inflation is falling.
So chillax, have a beer and enjoy your life.
Ps: some people will always moan and whine. It's tedious and boring
1) Unemployment down
2) Those in employment is up
3) Interest rates low, and no they won't be going up in the very near future
4) Growth is up. We are now the fastest growing economy in Europe.
5) Inflation is falling.
So chillax, have a beer and enjoy your life.
Ps: some people will always moan and whine. It's tedious and boring
