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Old 22 January 2014, 10:34 AM
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Default Unemployment down again.

Down to 2.3 million. which is 7.3%.

figures look good, but some parts of the country, like the NE, Humberside and South Yorkshire saw yet another rise in unemployment. THEIR figures are rising month on month.

When are this lot going to do something for us?
Old 22 January 2014, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by alcazar

When are this lot going to do something for us?

never, they have no interest in a regional industrial policy

the current policy is essentially, unleash the barking dogs of the london based financial sector

create a housing boom

and hang on for the ride!!!!!

if you have trouble getting on the horse - then fvck you
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
never, they have no interest in a regional industrial policy

the current policy is essentially, unleash the barking dogs of the london based financial sector

create a housing boom

and hang on for the ride!!!!!

if you have trouble getting on the horse - then fvck you
Yep, and don't forget persuading the consumer to spend, there's nothing like a consumer led recovery.... oh hang on!
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yep, and don't forget persuading the consumer to spend, there's nothing like a consumer led recovery.... oh hang on!
that is sort of intrinsically linked to the housing boom – so did not specifically call it out

but yes exactly
Old 22 January 2014, 01:08 PM
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Seem to be more warehousing and engineering jobs being created....
Old 22 January 2014, 01:13 PM
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Next thing will be that despite the surface figure of encouragement, the true figure seems worse, and the BoE will increase interest rates... thus screwing everybody even further!
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Absolutely no sign of an economic upturn here in Carlisle........... I'm not even sure if house prices have risen.

Must be some other UK in a different universe to the real one!

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Originally Posted by Midlife......
Absolutely no sign of an economic upturn here in Carlisle........... I'm not even sure if house prices have risen.

Must be some other UK in a different universe to the real one!

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The UK stops at Watford don't you know
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my father in law was in Bury the other day

went to get his hair cut - nice modern salon, friendly pleasant staff

and received a good haircut (i.e. a reasonable amount of time spent)

price £3.50 – the going price in Bury was about the £3.99

It is probably cheaper than a haircut in Delhi
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I suspect most new jobs a are low paid & no contract.

Cameron had the nerve to say 'People are back in work & now have a secure income'.

He is either ill-informed or a liar.
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
my father in law was in Bury the other day

went to get his hair cut - nice modern salon, friendly pleasant staff

and received a good haircut (i.e. a reasonable amount of time spent)

price £3.50 – the going price in Bury was about the £3.99

It is probably cheaper than a haircut in Delhi
Yep a lot of towns like Bury round the NW are struggling. One of my neighbours runs a beauty salon just outside of Ramsbottom and she is still on a downward trend despite a lot more marketing and keener prices!
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Originally Posted by legb4rsk
I suspect most new jobs a are low paid & no contract.

Cameron had the nerve to say 'People are back in work & now have a secure income'.

He is either ill-informed or a liar.
He's a politician ergo he's a liar!
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Originally Posted by legb4rsk
I suspect most new jobs a are low paid & no contract.

Cameron had the nerve to say 'People are back in work & now have a secure income'.

He is either ill-informed or a liar.
He said a regular income was secure which is a sort of tautology, many jobs are zero hour contract so the workers is very much insecure, is precarious. Indeed many people precarious is very much Tory policy; in makes them work harder for less money.
Old 22 January 2014, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yep a lot of towns like Bury round the NW are struggling. One of my neighbours runs a beauty salon just outside of Ramsbottom and she is still on a downward trend despite a lot more marketing and keener prices!
Well it's one business that can't go online at least.
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I'm not suprised that unemployment figures are down after the recent cull that the goverment did with people on incapacity and other illness related benefits, a lot of these were fakers but a lot of genuine people got caught up in it where they shouldn't have had their benefits removed.

The company that carried out these assessments were Atos healthcare, what a bunch of incompetent jokers those lot are. These assessments wern't even carried out by what you and i would class as proper doctors, they were eastern european so called doctors that basically just came into your house and read out a questionaire that you had to answer.

An example of some of the questions.

1. Can you bend down and pick up an empty box.
2. Can you go upstairs and downstairs unaided.
3. Can you make yourself a sandwich.
4. Can you wash yourself.
5. Can you get in and out of bed unaided.

Thats just a very small amount of the questions they asked you, the questionaire was obviously craftily drawn up so that 99.9% of people would answer yes so that they could be forced off benefits to get the unemployment figures down as well as getting rid of the fakers, only problem is that genuine people with illnesses such as depression and other none physically related ilnesses got caught up in it.

Their was no flexibility whatsoever, i know its slightly off topic but the timing of these newly released unemployment figures it coincides with them not long ago finishing the cull of people on ilnness related benefits.

Read these: Just a few examples of how ruthless this goverment was in trying to get people off benefits.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...5#.Ut_YYRBFAUE

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...axemen-2292176

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013.../bris-d11.html
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77,000 people joined the ranks of estate agents last year, and there are over 500,000 employed in that industry.
Old 22 January 2014, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
He said a regular income was secure which is a sort of tautology, many jobs are zero hour contract so the workers is very much insecure, is precarious. Indeed many people precarious is very much Tory policy; in makes them work harder for less money.
yes these workers have been identified and given the term "precariate"

i think i said a few years ago that we are moving toward a low wage, low skill economy, full of short term zero hour contrats, few employment rights - competing with the BRIC economies

an ever widening gap opening up
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
The UK stops at Watford don't you know
If the greeny tree huggers will allow it, tens of thousands of jobs can be created in the North and the rest of the UK.

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/lancashire...ears-1-5805101
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ministers.html
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Originally Posted by jonc
If the greeny tree huggers will allow it, tens of thousands of jobs can be created in the North and the rest of the UK.

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/lancashire...ears-1-5805101
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ministers.html
Aye, frack the North, but let's leave the south alone
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interestingly quite alot of identified fracking sites are in Tory heartlands
Old 22 January 2014, 03:58 PM
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After watching Benefits Street this week where the bald bloke (him with the ginger minger) got a job on 100% commision and had not earned a penny after two days work, I expect most of the jobs are similar to this or those mickey Mouse zero hour contracts.

But hey what do the government care, he's back to work right?
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Down to 2.3 million. which is 7.3%.

figures look good, but some parts of the country, like the NE, Humberside and South Yorkshire saw yet another rise in unemployment. THEIR figures are rising month on month.

When are this lot going to do something for us?
When are you going to do something for yourselves ?

want want want

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Originally Posted by jonc
If the greeny tree huggers will allow it, tens of thousands of jobs can be created in the North and the rest of the UK.

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/lancashire...ears-1-5805101
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ministers.html
I don't see how fracking will create than number of Jobs. Drilling isn't really labour intensive and producing wells just need a few people for maintenance.

Also say someone like myself goes to work in drilling wells for fracking. I am an experienced professional already doing my job whether in the world I am needed, like most people who would be employed for the drilling. It's not like it is an extra job being created per se.
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A few drill crews really, that's about the strength of it.
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Originally Posted by Funkii Munkii
When are you going to do something for yourselves ?

want want want

Exactly

What recession are we talking about anyway, I haven't noticed any difference in anything
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Originally Posted by Rob_Impreza99
I'm not suprised that unemployment figures are down after the recent cull that the goverment did with people on incapacity and other illness related benefits, a lot of these were fakers but a lot of genuine people got caught up in it where they shouldn't have had their benefits removed.

The company that carried out these assessments were Atos healthcare, what a bunch of incompetent jokers those lot are. These assessments wern't even carried out by what you and i would class as proper doctors, they were eastern european so called doctors that basically just came into your house and read out a questionaire that you had to answer.

An example of some of the questions.

1. Can you bend down and pick up an empty box.
2. Can you go upstairs and downstairs unaided.
3. Can you make yourself a sandwich.
4. Can you wash yourself.
5. Can you get in and out of bed unaided.

Thats just a very small amount of the questions they asked you, the questionaire was obviously craftily drawn up so that 99.9% of people would answer yes so that they could be forced off benefits to get the unemployment figures down as well as getting rid of the fakers, only problem is that genuine people with illnesses such as depression and other none physically related ilnesses got caught up in it.

Their was no flexibility whatsoever, i know its slightly off topic but the timing of these newly released unemployment figures it coincides with them not long ago finishing the cull of people on ilnness related benefits.

Read these: Just a few examples of how ruthless this goverment was in trying to get people off benefits.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...5#.Ut_YYRBFAUE

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...axemen-2292176

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013.../bris-d11.html

I thought that if you were on some kind of incapacity benefit then you were OUT OF the unemployment figures. So removing them from incapacity benefits will in theory ADD TO the unemployment numbers?

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Originally Posted by alcazar
Down to 2.3 million. which is 7.3%.

figures look good, but some parts of the country, like the NE, Humberside and South Yorkshire saw yet another rise in unemployment. THEIR figures are rising month on month.

When are this lot going to do something for us?
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
I don't see how fracking will create than number of Jobs. Drilling isn't really labour intensive and producing wells just need a few people for maintenance.

Also say someone like myself goes to work in drilling wells for fracking. I am an experienced professional already doing my job whether in the world I am needed, like most people who would be employed for the drilling. It's not like it is an extra job being created per se.
Any increase in employed will increase the demand for housing, transport, schools, food etc etc.

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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I thought that if you were on some kind of incapacity benefit then you were OUT OF the unemployment figures. So removing them from incapacity benefits will in theory ADD TO the unemployment numbers?
Thats how they used to do it but they don't do that anymore, they did away with incapacity benefit quite a while ago. If your unable to work through illness your still on jobseekers allowance but every 6 month they call you in for an assessment to make sure nothing has changed and your still not fit for work, if your illness is bad enough they do it over the phone. You still need GP evidence etc.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
I don't see how fracking will create than number of Jobs. Drilling isn't really labour intensive and producing wells just need a few people for maintenance.

Also say someone like myself goes to work in drilling wells for fracking. I am an experienced professional already doing my job whether in the world I am needed, like most people who would be employed for the drilling. It's not like it is an extra job being created per se.
I don’tknow much about the fracking industry, but I sure it involves more than just a few drill crews. What about all the ancillary and facilitating jobs and services surrounding this potentiallygrowing industry? We'd need more drill crews for a start if this gets the go a head!

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