yabbadoo4

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pflowers

Well I have had cause to call the police on several occasions over the past few years. They have been hopeless in every case.

The worst occasion was one Saturday whilst I was at work my 14yr old daughter caught the bus to the local town with a friend to do some shopping, about an hour later I got a frantic call on her phone from her freind to say she had been attacked by a 16 yr old boy. As I was grabbing my car keys I asked her freind if the police had been called and she said yes they had dialed 999 and they were on their way.

I jumped in the car and drove the 3.5 miles in traffic which took me nearly 15 minutes. I arrived to see my daughter crying and no police, as they had not arrived I called 999 again only to be told that the police had already attended and dealt with the situation. Now this was a blatant lie as a kind women had seen what had happened and had stayed with my daughter until I / the police arrived. I called them back and they said it must have been a misunderstanding and they would send someone now. Another 15 minutes passed before they arrived (2 male officers) but in the meantime the attacker ( 16yr old male ) had returned with his mates. As you do I shouted something at the youth only to be promptly told off by the policeman.

They then asked my clearly upset daughter what had happened and she explained that the boys had been following her and it had ended up with the boy holding my daughter against a wall trying to kiss her and when she tried to fight back he punched her and ran away. This was verified by the witness and my daughters friend. The police end response to this was to say "so you haven't actually been attacked then" at this point I expressed my disbelief only to be told to calm down or I would be arrested.

The second policeman pulled me to one side and said it would be best to just take my daughter and leave to diffuse the situation, I couldn't believe what I was hearing. He said there wasn't really much they could do, all this time the youths were taunting me and laughing. Unbelievably the second policeman also commented that I was parked on double yellows. My daughter was pleading with me to just go home so I put her and her freind in the car and drove off, looking in the mirror I could see the policemen laughing and joking with the youths.

All this was within 150 metres of a manned police station.

This was about two years ago and I vowed that day if anything happened again I would just 'deal' with it myself.

In other situations I had a 17 year old staff member half strangled by a customer, the police were called by the staff members parents who were informed by the police that they would discourage pressing charges as if it went to court it could be traumatic so it would be better to drop it.

Forgive me if I have no respect for them.

hodgy0_2

i suspect all the people complaing about the police are "wrong un's"
themselves tbh

pflowers

trails

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really...why?

RS_Matt

I can repeat the conversation that preceded the assault word for word.

I post sh*te, yes, but it's true. Apart from the 60MPG tuner claim, that was the bitter use of irony.

stipete75

It's definately a marmite subject.
On a personal level I have had a couple of run-ins with the law(traffic offences)
No doubt there are great revenue inspectors that do serve and protect the general public, but there are bad apples and those bad apples tarnish the rest unfortunately.

It is turning into a "police state" and the more ridiculous the new laws that come in the police have to enforce those laws so they get the brunt end.
You have to look at the bigger picture!!!

As I type a new law is being passed through the government that will make "free speech" a crime. The police have to enforce this and there will be backlashes of course.

Did the ***** soldiers have any choice in following orders??? No!!!
A little exaggerated at the moment yes maybe but in time our children and children's children will start to see the full brunt of it.

A new world order!

RS_Matt

The Leeds Police used to be fine when they pulled me over, they'd always ask me why I had a record and then they'd laugh and joke about the Wakey Police.

An0n0m0us

This.

So on that basis I can't vote on the poll as experiences are based on on individual police officer at the time. The good ones make you wish they could all be like that and the bad ones make you wonder how they ever got the job in the first place.

alcazar

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Please do NOT feed this troll.

stipete75

The problem will unfortunately get a lot worse with the introduction of privatised security getting the same powers as the police.
The police are also getting more militarized in the name of "terror"

trails

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I didn't know he was one, sorry

SamUK

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not had any issues myself..but think what would happen if they are not here?

Felix.

Well, this clearly isn't right and you should complain. For me, its an assault on your daughter and should be treated as such - you could even look towards indecent assault (if he has tried to kiss her) and harassment. If there was an independent witness present as well, it makes life a whole lot easier for us - if i'd have been called, i would have dealt with it a lot better.

The response to the 999 call sounds initially if it was a **** up at the control room end, which sometimes happens if 2 calls have come in for the same job and the first has given the wrong location. Also, even if there was a manned station close by it doesn't mean that there were officers there. Our 24 hour station is mainly 60% civilian staff with all officers expected to be 'out and about' as soon as they start, so the response could be coming from quite a distance away. Couple this with the fact officers could be tied up with other jobs, other 999 calls coming etc etc.

As for the 17 year old, as the victim the choice will be down to her, not her parents, as to whether she wants to carry it on to court. Again, another assault with (i presume) a number of witnesses.

Give me those types of jobs to deal with all day long - its what i joined for, to help people and flag up those who think they can get away with it.

Felix.

I've never heard of a law against free speech...?

In any event, we have (and always will) have the power of discretion with all laws and it isn't just a case of following orders. No officer (regardless of rank) can order me to arrest someone.

Felix.

I'm not sure if its just the particular mood you find yourself in as to your expectations from your encounters??

You initially state that the first officer made you feel 'really small' but you thought he was 'spot on' yet the next who 'belittled you' you thought was horrible... How come bother encounters were so differently perceived by yourself....? (not having a go, just curious)

Your name being given out in interview - if you have given a statement, then your name is out in the open for the defence and the courts. ie if it goes to court, your name will be read out there too. When you sign your statement, the initial paragraph i believe explains this and that its open to the courts (i assume you read your statement before you signed it). Obviously your address and other details are classed as sensitive.

The gatso's are quite interesting - a lot prefer this method than having an officer pulling you over and finding all sorts of other things wrong with your car and 'doing you' for that too. People think "if I've gone too fast - send me the bill and i'll pay it". The alternative will be to post an officer at an accident point and pull drivers over. The problem being is whilst he speaks with a driver, others can safely 'speed' past; and then would you expect him to respond to other 'more serious' jobs if they come in....?

stipete75

http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2014...table-offence/

Being annoying an arrestable offence, carol singing?? Trick or treaters?? And most importantly peaceful protests ie freedom of expression, freedom of speech.

You won't have a choice to arrest someone if you are told to by your superiors,even peaceful people, orders are orders.

Felix.

It was rejected, so there is no law like this... i don't get what your point is...?

No - no one can tell me to arrest anyone, my superiors or otherwise; the decision is purely down to me.

I don't get what the video is either - i take it some protest in the USA, what was the build up to it.

madscoob

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many years ago, the wife spotted a missing person on the website(while looking for her brother) he matched the description of a body found on a beach nearby to us, we informed local plod, and several weeks later after having to show them a copy of our local paper, they actually said it was the lad from wales and his partner would like to speak to you to say thank you, she drove all the way from swansea to meet us an insisted on taking us out for a meal. not once ever did plod say THANK YOU ,now after my recent encounter with pc asshat who didn't like being told the law, and was later proved wrong by my brief and the cps, i have no respect for them at all. he made me out to be a complete boyracer in his statement(farce on paper) which had more lies in it than a 70's fiat has rust,i have now got the sticker for the rear bumper, it's just for him, it has 94db just above the pipe, and 94db subaru still legal, across the boot. i have cruised around all his hunting ground looking for him, but no joy, i am begining to think they may of moved the donkey to a desk job,

stipete75

Yes at the moment the law did not get passed, my mistake I thought it was still in process.
The video is of innocent unarmed students having a peaceful protest about changes over the university, their "right" to freedom of expression as it's peaceful.
My point is that police tear gased those people on orders from superiors.

RA Dunk

Thats in a different country WTF does it have to do with us?

Felix.

Its about 7-8 weeks for DNA to come back - chances are the body was DNA'd and they were waiting for the results to come back to match against the missing person list. It won't be as simple as assuming its him because the description matches.

What was the argument over - noisy exhaust? i take it that it never got as far as court then.

stipete75

It was only an example of following orders no matter what they are.
It was an example to Felix

RA Dunk

The thread is asking about 'UK Police' not Police the world over.

LSherratt

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The title of this thread is UK Police

stipete75

Jeez was just an example
If you want UK police see my vid posted on page 1, if you can't be arsed ill post it again below v v v v v v v v v UK v v v v v v v v v v v

Alan Jeffery

I have three bloody students living in my house. I'd happily tear gas them some days, if their mother would let me..

JC-R

+1

^Qwerty^

The first officer spoke to me as a person, the second had an attitude from the minute he got out the car and spoke to me like I was something he'd stood in. Basically it was down to the people skills.

Well I was young and naive, and believed/didn't know any better when I was told categorically that my name wouldn't be given out. You live and learn. But in this instance I was talking about the point they were pulled in and interviewed, not any court proceedings that may follow, which I did understand about.

I can only go on what I think and what others say. I've had an inspector tell me that cameras and vans have done untold damage to the police-public relationship and in many respects it's not even the police (directly) running them. As for your 'speed' past comment, don't you think that people slow down for camera vans, gatsos etc. and then speed up afterwards?

alcazar

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A mate of mine had had the same from a chief constable.

And yet, it continues, the chief constables choose to enforce it, and just look again at the chosen speed camera, chosen by ACPO: FORWARD facing, to get a picture of the driver's face.
Yet those cannot and do not stop motorcyclists, who are involved in 38% of the fatalities and serious accidents on our roads despite making up only 4% of the traffic, (ACPO). And still, they whine it's not about revenue and they are only obeying orders.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: UK police...the bully boys, enforcers and auxiliary tax gatherers of the UK government. Trust any police officer about as far as you could chuck him AND his panda car...you won't go far wrong.