Snap.

That the family and the community (TMD I presume) is planning a vigil outside Tottenham police station is very provocative IMO. I also hear there are others planned around the country..............unbelievable. F*****g vigil, my ****.

I suppose Ms Duggan (aunt) will now be considered a self-appointed 'community leader'

 

Has anyone asked the family how many people they think Duggan would have gone on to kill or wound if the Police had not found out about him having the gun.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25674385

Met chief praises Duggan family........ beggars belief. They should be reminded that they brought up one of Europe's top 50 most violent thugs.

Shaun

 

Pretty much rewarding scumbags for being scumbags TBH.

This is why the UK is fcuked, it is ruled by spineless people who only want to be seen doing the right thing rather than telling like it is.

 

To be fair I think they are just trying to avoid another riot!

 

Don't people have anything better to do other than attend a 'vigil' for a dead gun toting drug dealing gangster with a very shady past?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25686732

 

They are making him out to be some kind of fallen hero, when truth be told he was a low life scumbag.

 

I think the vigil's a great idea. The police can use it to record the details of everyone who attends and keep a close eye on them in future.

That scum's aunt must live in a bubble of self delusion if she thinks she has widespread public support. This is the first time I can remember a potentially confrontational topic being discussed on here in which every respondent agrees (that the subject was a worthless piece of poo). If we're representative of the country at large, that vigil should be a very small affair.

 

His family must be deluded if they think they have the support of the general public

I find it amazing that his family and friends seem to be blanking out the fact MD was a gun touting criminal with absolutely nothing positive to offer society besides trouble.

And as for their vigil, I hope it pi**es down

Nik.

 

Yeah, I want a better life where our children are free to carry illegal firearms, too.

******* thick bitch. Why is the community over-policed? Probably because all the lawless scum think they have a right to carry out whatever illegal actions they please.

I too want a better life for our children. One where we don't need to worry about scum having access to illegal firearms and joining gangs.

 

Where did that post (Scumbag's Aunt) come from?

Shaun

 

Here

 

On the news, the reporter said it was smaller than expected. And there were prob about, what, no more than fifty you could see, gathered outside the copshop when the aunt was speaking.

So looks like the rest of the community of the estate sees the case for what it is, and do not support her cause.

Those fifty or so, will presumably be 'biased' close relatives, friends and just a few 'sympathists' from her community, no doubt.

 

Mark Duggan's aunt, Carole Duggan, who said before the event she wanted "no more violence", addressed the crowd from the steps of the police station.



She said: "We have to remember Mark is not the first person to die at the hands of the police.

"There's been thousands more.''


Thousands killed by the police!!!! This is the level of stupidity we are dealing with here.
What a f*cking moron.

 

maybe she is simply using the "deaths in police custody" stats

of which there have been 6000 since 2000

anyway - he seemed to have got what was coming to him

 

Where did you get that from?

 

I'm guessing you meant custody not police custody, after a bit of a google

 

well, i would assume police custody as the figure come from the IPCC website

but who knows, does seem a lot though

what sort of custody did you have in mind?

 

The figures include State Custody (prisons).

from the IPCC

'deaths of people detained under the Mental Health Act (MHA) and those in prison custody account for 92% (N=5,511) of all deaths in state custody, at 61% (N=3,628) and 31% (N=1,883) respectively'

 

It seems a lot because it's between a ten- and fifteen-fold over-exaggeration of the true figures! Depending on your source, actual numbers range from just below a thousand to just over 1400, since 1990.

For the maths-averse among you, that averages to just over one death per week.


Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_deaths_in_custody
http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...tody-data#data

 

Yep, your right includes prison etc

 

... or how many whose lives he helped ruin (or would have gone on to help ruin) by selling them crack cocaine, heroine and god knows what other unsavoury substances.

 

None. He was a complete angel, remember.

 

as well as a trade union member it would seem.......

 

Ah see this was covered on a radio discussion I heard on GTA, it works like nuclear proliferation. If everyone carries a gun then crime drops because the likelihood of the victim returning fire increases (I.e. mutually assured destruction).

 

Reminds me of an interview with an American bloke after one of the shootings in a school.

 

This is a very good point. I am fairly left wing in my views and my opinion of the police over matters like this is not always great, but in this instance I feel like I am living in some kind of warped reality. A jury has sat and listened to the evidence and concluded the killing was lawful. This isn't some inside cover up job, this has been heard and weighed by a jury.

I don't get how anyone could think that he needs a vigil or any other kind of positive remembrance. He played with fire and ultimately got burned. If we are to start celebrating his type as some sort of street hero then the country is compeltely f**ked...beyond anything i had imagined!

 

WTF does being a trade union member have to do with it?

 

One of the articles Mail iirc, mentioned one of the teaching trade unions bwing at the vigal...can't imagine that was officially authorised...odds on its a dumb student teacher who should jnow better.

 

I'd be surprised if you ever hear the term "shoot to kill" being used from a UK policeman in an official capacity. That terminology raises problems with the whole judge, jury and executioner issue.

IIRC the expression is "stop the threat" policy. They aim for center mass and with the hardware the marksman use, if you take one in the chest you're going down right away and probably won't be getting back up again, period. You certainly won't be a threat to anyone immediately afterwards!

However, the "explicit" intention is not to kill as much as to aim for the biggest area of the body so as to minimise the chances of a miss and to maximise the chances of stopping the target decisively.

Ns04