There seems to be little doubt he had gone to and had picked up a gun, which appears to be the one found (guy got 7 years for suppplying it, plus additional 4 for other offences).

Unless police saw him chuck it away then they would have belived he was armed.

 

So they dont need proof before pulling the trigger?
Just believing that he had the gun gave them the right to open fire ?
They didnt see a gun at any point while they watched him yet they still opened fire.

I have to agree he wasnt a choir boy but shooting an unarmed man cant be right, I could name a few ******* that the world wouldnt miss but you cant just go and take them out.

 

Except the kid standing on the right almost completely covering his face, during the later TV interview with Duggan's aunt...

 

Not literally "bloody", obviously...

 

As a matter of interest, Police marksmen are not trained to "shoot to wound" they are trained to "shoot to kill". The object is to prevent any further action from the considered armed and dangerous person who is creating the risk, and only a clean kill will ensure that result as much as possible.
The term is "lethal force" as opposed to "non lethal force" where such as tazers are used.
The idiots who murdered Lee Rigby were just lucky not to have been killed outright and I don't see anybody complaining about Police action that day.
If Duggan made the choice not to carry a gun, he'd be much more likely to be alive today.

 

We're they not told not to kill them

 

This is why the inquest concluded in January and not July.

 

having days to think about the right and wrong of it after that fact is very easy, if he had had a gun and shot a policeman dead, or a by stander, what then? they can only go on the info they have and a split second to decide.

Hindsight is a wonderfull thing init.

 

They say it's not a racist thing but of course it is. If Duggan had been white then it would all been forgotten long ago.

I doubt very much if the cop who shot him got any buzz out of it and was probably scared witless when a known thug who he knew had been carrying a gun was in front of him. Feel sorry for the family but they brought up a thug and they're basically ignorant plebs.

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On a lighter note perhaps if the cops had shot at Mitchell as he cycled up Downing St, perhaps blowing his tyres out, then the black community would feel things were fairer

I heard an interview with the chairman of black police officer's federation and it was "Mark this" and "Mark that" - every other commentator just called him Duggan. That tells a tale......

dl

 

Yes, I saw him. He did make me chuckle. He's obviously got nothing to hide and has one wonders to destroy the stereotyping of surrounding those present.

 

He was a well known member of bad boy gangsta's 'Tottenham Man Dem' a high level gang involving drug dealing, guns, inter-gang warfare..... he was already implicated in several shooting in nightclubs & carparks and was 'confrontational and extremely violent' - doesn't quite sound like the 'angel' his aunt & mother make him out to be eh?

He's no loss, they should have shot all the gansta homies he rolls with too.

Absolutely NO sympathy - sorry!

 

Cause he`s a ****....

 

But that's just not the Scoobynet way

 

If I were a copper I'd stop and search him

 

My wife is the Surveyor who looks after the running of Tottenham hale retail park. When then riots happened, this was the retail park that was first to be looted 9as Duggan was shot just round the corner). She was there yesterday organising more security and meeting with the police to discuss action if the riots flared up again. Lets just say the police were prepared to be a lot more heavy handed if the scum decided to go looting again :-)

 

Nasty bloke, nasty family who have used this to spout their own venom.

 

Ronnie and Reggie Krays mother thought her boys could do no wrong.

 

Thing is we don't know the situation. For example they could have got to the car, shouted a warning and told him not to move. Now if you're a police officer and a suspect you believe to be armed doesn't do exactly as he's told, are you prepared to take the chance? There's every possibility that he's moving to pull out a gun, then it's just a question of who's quickest.

 

peoples perspective on duggans guilt depends on their skin tone.............he had a gun,maybe not in his hand at the time he was shot but in in his possession at the incident. shame his family weren't there too so the police could have shot them in the face.
he was a career criminal and deserved exactly what he got.

 

^^^^^

 

If he wasn't an angel before he sure is now.

 

^ ha ha

Yup he Duggan his own grave having a gun

 

outside of a certain "community" in tottenham does anybody really care that the police shot a scumbag???

 

But if the majority of the population of a certain area are black then the likely hood of being stopped is high, is it not?

 

The unfortunate part of all this is that has been a long, costly and publicised inquest. This in turn makes people think that they CAN still carry guns, that any copper who does kill someone with a gun will be put through the mill, and that the spotlight will fall on the "innocent" The moment the gun was found the case should have been closed and the officer that pulled the trigger should have got a bonus. Perhaps then "gangsta's" who carry guns because they can't fight alone or unarmed will think twice about their actions.

 

and how prevelant are gangs in that area as opoosed to other areas?

 

A promotion of sorts

 

Tidge,
The point I am making is the majority of the gangs involved in Op Trident and those targeted by specific police involvement are predominatly black and males. Duggan was mixed race, involved and known as a member. The same happens in Afro Caribbean/Espanic areas of America.

The opposite is true of many area's of the welsh valley's where black faces are few and far between. Where as area's of Cardiff have the oldest ethic minority/black east African communities in Europe and arrests of the black/ethnic are high in comparison.

Profile: A cosmopolitian, inner city seat in the borough of Haringey. Tottenham has a large ethnic minority population, around a fifth of residents are black, there is a large muslim population. The percentage of white residents understates the variation of this seat, since that itself includes Russians, Cypriots, Irish, eastern European and Jewish communties.

Tottenham has a multicultural population, with many ethnic groups inhabiting the area. It contains one of the largest and most significant populations of African-Caribbean people. These were among the earliest immigrant groups to settle in the area, starting the UK's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_Windrush era. Soon afterwards West African communities – notably the many http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghana – began to migrate into the area. Between 1980 and the present day there has been a slow immigration of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_the_Congo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_people, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_the_United_Kingdom, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalis_in_the_United_Kingdom, Irish, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_people, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabweans populations. South Tottenham is reported to be the most ethnically-diverse area in Europe, with up to 300 languages being spoken by its residents.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lammy MP, Tottenham has the highest unemployment rate in London and the 8th highest in the United Kingdom, and it has some of the highest poverty rates within the country.

A bit of wiki but I think it helps to illustrate the point and is no doubt replicated in other large cities and towns round the UK as the moral fibre of society breaks down.

 

no i was agreeing mate, the whole point about these areas being ovely policed are because thast where the gangs are

the dont go lookign for gang members in there 70's living in retirment homes lol

 

Long work day .