About sums up my stance.

 

Oh good god

 

Very interesting videos and it's certainly made me think..

 

for people who don't believe HAARP exist's look up up us patent no, 4,686,605 filed in houston texas in 1987 by a oil company physassist; description
method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere ionosphere,and or magnetosphere, why would someone/company apply for a patent on something that doesn't exist,

 

I am sure there a few "nasties", I am sure we do not know everything, frankly given the subject matter and general sensitivity/security aspects of the whole event it would be odd if we did (I am sure eventually we will)

I would not be surprised if one of he "nasties" is just how much the administration/security services knew re the intelligence before the attacks

But I am sure this is to save embarrassment and protect reputations etc rather the sign of an overarching conspiracy

The central narrative is known and accepted by pretty much every sane observer of the facts

And what really gets me is the truthers all believe every daft conspiracy

The moon landings
Roswell
Obama's provenance
The iluminati
<insert nonesense here>

Like moths to a flame

 

Always follow the money (I said it again)

Wtf!

Sudden urge for hot fish and chips! Overwhelming utter! I can smell the vinegar!!!

Right that's it....

Sorry guys this actually happened whilst typing 'always follow the money'

 

You're jumping to conclusions, no one said it didn't exist, question is, what do YOU think HAARP is for?

 

Doesn't it...

# ...stay sharp
To the bottom of the glass
Haarp
Stay sharp #

 

it's run by the us military so take a wild guess. after reading it's patent description, and if interested dig a bit deeper into the patent as to what it may be capable of, redirecting missles, altering the weather, the list go's on, if it works and those ******'s are in charge of it look out

 

And it's supposed use also includes mind control, hope you're wearing your tin foil hat! I won't take a wild guess, I'll leave that to the conspiracy theorists!

 

I agree with what you say about the truthers and daft conspiracy theories. But the thing about conspiracy theories in general is that there is often a reason as to why people want to believe them.

However I do think that (and let's pick the thread topic of 9/11) lead to these theories.

Let's take the planes on camera for example, I do think that looking at it there was some doctoring and editing of the footage. This may have been to protect, it may have been to cover up, it may have been to sensationalise. Whatever way, there is a conspiracy there be it sinister or not as we have been misled!

If you take a look at these things on a global scale, we are all misled massively on a daily basis. Governments in general lie to us, bend facts and generally take the **** as much as they think they can get away with and then some. Do you trust the American government? Or our British one?

There are conspiracies taking place around us at all times. Alexander Litvinenko if you want a good one. Do you trust the Russian government's denial of any knowledge or involvement?

Whilst I feel the conspiracy loons are generally quite sad individuals (usually misled or grossly misinformed) I don't think they're as dangerous as those that blindly accept facts and information presented to us, and vehemently argue in an almost bigot-like fashion that the official version of events is the truth.

For the record, I find it hard to believe that the US authorities didn't know about the impending attacks.

I find it easy to believe that if they were aware of it, they didn't realise it would be as bad as it was and for that reason let it happen as they were looking for an excuse to go to war.

Much of the media footage has clearly been doctored or edited. For what purposes remains unknown, but in my opinion was most likely done to sensationalise for the watching audience.

Shooting down a plane full of civilians would not have looked good to some groups no matter what the circumstances. It is quite possible that one of them was shot down. But it is also entirely plausible that Flight 93 crashed.

The "ball" and damage to the pentagon are weird ones that fascinate me as they are the most divisive.

 

Buildings eventually collapsing because fuel-laden aeroplanes hit them at full throttle? Absolutely.

Apparently wtc7 collapsed from thermal expansion damage caused by out of control office furniture fires. The official report says that the diesel tanks for the generators wouldn't burn hot enough

http://www.popularmechanics.com/_mobile/technology/engineering/architecture/4278874

 

But there you go again - no, plenty of eyewitnesses saw the plane hit the pentagon

Plenty of plane debris on the lawn

Plenty of plane debris in the pentagon

Plenty of human remains - plenty of people witnessed all this


How could a plane get so close - simple the US military simply did not track planes travelling in the United States

Well the Air Traffic Control did - by the use of transponders, but gues what, the hijackers turned them off - Amazing, those cheeky ferkin terrrists

Take crop circles

What is the most rational explanation

A couple of country lads with bits of rope and some fancy wooden planks for "shoes" (because that's what it was - and they have come out and admitted the hoax)

Or alien beings coming to visit - err Somerset

Take the blue pill or the red pill

Or take the "magician" Dynamo levitating people off a simple stool, is it that

Dynamo has managed to alter the laws of physics

Or a cleverly constructed stool with slick camera work - and a totally compliant audience (that are really in on it too, oh those naughty television executives how could they)

Which pill do you take new galaxy

 

There is a very good reason why such a large number of Americans believe them, it is a simple manifestation of how most feel totally let down the the US government

And when you look at US society and economy they do have a point

 

I remember watching a documentary on this and a few senior ex-FBI were being interviewed and they stated that Mossad had informed them about a plan to "hurt" Americans using planes and then listed a few of the suspects....but with the US being the US they just sat on there asses.

 

interesting

 

Wow at how the comments on this thread have gone - seems too many people have been watching 24 and thinking it real and grabbing random bits of made up evidence from all over the internet. The US governments messes up so many other simpler things its in control, but plans and executes the most ellaborate consiracy ever. Sure.

There is footage of structural engineers examining the Pentagon after the airplane hit it. There was plenty of debris and enginners commented it was definately a plane hit...but obviously they are all on it. Everyone except you is in on it right?

All the other buildings collapsing can be explained too - don't you think people, who are professionals and experts (not just made up theorists who live online), would take a bigger interest if there was a remote chance it was a planned inside job? I've never met anyone in my field that thinks there is anything more to it.

It was just some mad religious nutters - thats it. Nice and simple.

People naturally then went on to profit out of the appaling tradgy, but thats just the way humans are. They didn't cause it however...if they did, why not just use a bomb like the World Trade Centre? It would have been much easier to execute and blame on Osama without all the complex and near incredible coordination of what occured.

Wasn't it something like only half a dozen people were monitoring Osama at the time of 911. They then struggled to fill the FBI/CIA roles to try and catch him. 6 years later, one of Osama's double agents blew himself up killing 6 CIA agents...if the governement were really that good, why do they keep messing up and getting their own people killed in such ways. Maybe its just because humans are human and make mistakes, and some have crazy beliefs and fly planes into innocent people.

There's more chance that Sally Phillips is really talking to dead people than it was a giant conspriacy. Maybe people are just affraid to admit the world is not run by all powerful goverments who can control the weather too...

 

hmmm this is interesting too

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/...hat-hit-it.htm

 

the interesting thing about that article is that after 20 pages of drivel he pretty much admits a boeing 777 hit the pentagon

 

757... a 777 would have left a much bigger hole

(sorry for being pedantic, but i'm a plane geek)

 

Likening crop circles in Somerset to points of contention in one of the most complex and large scale terrorist attacks in history...

I personally think you're missing the point here. I'm not saying a plane didn't hit the pentagon.

That plane crashed into one of the most heavily protected areas of the USA. At the time people knew they were crashing into buildings.

The footage has not been released. I feel that on the balance of probability there is something being covered up. That my friend, makes it a conspiracy.

 

the Crop Circle reference was to highlight the simple fact that conspiracy theorists when faced with an obvious and logical answer to a problem or a fantasy out of the world answer

they will ALWAYS choose the latter

there was CCTV it was released, but like pretty much all the CCTV it is pretty usless

"At the time people knew they were crashing into buildings" - again said with the benefit of hindsight, I would imagine confusion was the order of the day.

 

Loose change.

 

No idea about conspiracy theary but the facts dont add up especially the pentagon, before the roof collapsed there is pictures that show a round hole in the side with the windows still intact either side how could that happen if a 757 hit the side of the building wheres the dmg from the wings, where did the engines disapear to aloung with the rest of the plane, if you look at most plane crashes the engines, tail piece bits of wing ie large pieces that cant be carried away are visible and intact yet not when it comes to the pentagon, sorry but it just doesnt make sence to me

 

This about sums it up for me. I feel for all those innocent lives lost, but never have i been stupid enough to believe all the coincidences of 911.

 

 

PMSL reading this post.......I guess you believe the proxy war in Sudan has nothing to do with the U.S either and that there were WMD's in Iraq and Bin laden was chilling in a fkin cave and the U.S couldn't find him!!

 

It was them pesky lizards what done it, with a little help from David Blaine.

 

well your certainly amongst friends on this thread

 

Almost every other day there's a thread on here bitching about how incompetent governments are at doing anything and we on the whole are in agreement with this. Yet at the same time believe that the very same government are capable of pulling off the biggest and most complex and successful ruse involving thousands of people without leaving any conclusive proof, evidence, whistle blowers or leaks of any sort. There are plenty of videos and articles taken as 'proof' as to how such an act can be pulled off and many seem to contradict each other.