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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
I never said that. I fully believe that governments can and do cover things up from time to time and that some of those things may well be highly illegal but to go as far as suggesting the world is ruled by a ring of child abusers is just absurd/comical. I think the below quote from the comments on the link you just posted sums it up quite well.
You don't believe it? Or You don't WANT to believe it? There's a big difference between the two. The human mind is filled with complexes, one of which is the desire to shield itself from unpleasant truths.

Not everything is a conspiracy, but nor is NOTHING a conspiracy either.
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 11:18 PM
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Whats worse is no one of them have been exposed as to what they really are; alien lizards wearing human skin.
Lol, reptilian humanoid shape-shifters. Opera Winfrey??
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by stipete75
Honestly do 10 minutes of research, you may be surprised, or at least open-eyed.
If it only takes 10 minutes research on the internet to uncover this conspiracy, planned and executed by the clever powerful and rich, then I suggest that says it all about its credibility!!

Did you not consider that?
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 11:48 PM
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If it only takes 10 minutes research on the internet to uncover this conspiracy, planned and executed by the clever powerful and rich, then I suggest that says it all about its credibility!!

Did you not consider that?
The evaluation of conspiracy theories obviously takes longer than 10mins, it requires much time and study, but also applied logic and critical thinking.
It is far more comforting to believe that certain tragic events happen exactly as the TV says, than to believe in monstrous internal crimes and plots beyond our control.
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by stipete75
You don't believe it? Or You don't WANT to believe it? There's a big difference between the two. The human mind is filled with complexes, one of which is the desire to shield itself from unpleasant truths.

Not everything is a conspiracy, but nor is NOTHING a conspiracy either.
The same applies to conspiracy theorists, some people simply can't accept things are the way they appear and as such have to create elaborate fantasies to explain them away.
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by stipete75
You don't believe it? Or You don't WANT to believe it? There's a big difference between the two. The human mind is filled with complexes, one of which is the desire to shield itself from unpleasant truths.

Not everything is a conspiracy, but nor is NOTHING a conspiracy either.
Do you honestly believe that people high up it the UK government organised the Dunblane massacre?
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Do you honestly believe that people high up it the UK government organised the Dunblane massacre?
Being honest it woulden't surprise me if they actually contributed to it through some shady back door dealings.
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Being honest it woulden't surprise me if they actually contributed to it through some shady back door dealings.
Seriously??

What kind of 'back door dealings' would lead to a lone gunman murdering young children in their classroom?
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Seriously??

What kind of 'back door dealings' would lead to a lone gunman murdering young children in their classroom?
The same ethos that blows up the Twin Towers to stir up hatred of Islam?
The same ethos that sends 1000s of out own troops to die for some utterly preposterous "war?"

It's non stop shady dealings at the top.
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 01:14 PM
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I said woulden't surprise me Martin I never said did, they actually are that low.

Glad to see you finally worked out how to use a full stop though. It did take a while to sink in.
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
The same ethos that blows up the Twin Towers to stir up hatred of Islam?
The same ethos that sends 1000s of out own troops to die for some utterly preposterous "war?"

It's non stop shady dealings at the top.
^Exactly.^

If you don't believe our Government do shady dealings Martin then you actually are as deluded as I think you are.
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
I said woulden't surprise me Martin I never said did, they actually are that low.

Glad to see you finally worked out how to use a full stop though. It did take a while to sink in.
Yeah ages

Oh and it's 'wouldn't', you seem to be a bit slower on the up-take than me
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
The same ethos that blows up the Twin Towers to stir up hatred of Islam?
The same ethos that sends 1000s of out own troops to die for some utterly preposterous "war?"

It's non stop shady dealings at the top.

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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 01:33 PM
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i was on holiday last week

and for the first time in a long while my little brother in law came too

he is obviously not so little - seeing as he is 33 odd years old

I always think of him as "little" because I have known him since he was 8 months old

anyway after a sumptuous gourmet dinner in the hotel restaurant we sat at the bar and chewed the fat - as you do

I was quite shocked when he started to spout all manner of nutcase conspiracy theories - straight out of Alex Jones infowars conspiracy theories 101

he is obviously a very angry young man (not in general, as he is a pretty cool and hip young film producer with a very fit girlfriend) - yet the undeniable anger expresses itself in railing against the establishment/leaders/Govt whatever – and directed towards these “big” events

Obviously 99% of these are total bollox – but he does have a point, his generation has been totally fvcked over, and deep within him he knows it - but he just struggles to really understand the mechanisms that have made it happen
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
^Exactly.^

If you don't believe our Government do shady dealings Martin then you actually are as deluded as I think you are.
By 'exactly' I assume that means that you agree with his post?

Nowhere have I said that the government don't do shady deals...nowhere.
I know it works best for you when you can position your extreme views by deliberately twisting mine and painting my VERY MODERATE position as absolutist. Please knock it off!
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Yeah ages

Oh and it's 'wouldn't', you seem to be a bit slower on the up-take than me
Really, is that a fact now? ^^where's the full stop?^^

What did I tell you the other day about people in glass houses Martin?

But cheers for the heads up.
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
By 'exactly' I assume that means that you agree with his post?

Nowhere have I said that the government don't do shady deals...nowhere.
I know it works best for you when you can position your extreme views by deliberately twisting mine and painting my VERY MODERATE position as absolutist. Please knock it off!

Martin there is no other person on this forum twists things as much as you do, the truth is you can't handle your own medicine and get all arsey and defensive when someone hands you your **** on a silver platter.

Regarding the knock it off comment you started this if you remember right, I'll knock it off when you do!!
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
By 'exactly' I assume that means that you agree with his post?

Nowhere have I said that the government don't do shady deals...nowhere.
I know it works best for you when you can position your extreme views by deliberately twisting mine and painting my VERY MODERATE position as absolutist. Please knock it off!
Hey there, any contribution to the NI secret letters thread? You know, the one where the politicians have been caught lying, lying and lying again!
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 02:03 PM
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Hey there, any contribution to the NI secret letters thread? You know, the one where the politicians have been caught lying, lying and lying again!
Don't forget the other recent one where British authorities (IIRC it was actually Theresa May) handed over pages and pages of documents of some British business man to some hardline Iranian group who ended up being abducted and killed, by the same Iranian group.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ed_by_Britain/

Our Government is squeaky clean, not!
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Martin there is no other person on this forum twists things as much as you do, the truth is you can't handle your own medicine and get all arsey and defensive when someone hands you your **** on a silver platter.

Regarding the knock it off comment you started this if you remember right, I'll knock it off when you do!!
You are an utter shambles of a person.

Once more deflecting and changing the point
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Hey there, any contribution to the NI secret letters thread? You know, the one where the politicians have been caught lying, lying and lying again!
Nope
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 02:39 PM
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Nope
Didn't think so
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Don't forget the other recent one where British authorities (IIRC it was actually Theresa May) handed over pages and pages of documents of some British business man to some hardline Iranian group who ended up being abducted and killed, by the same Iranian group.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ed_by_Britain/

Our Government is squeaky clean, not!
Theresa May is one of the worst of the worst IMO! Her shambolic behaviour over the riots of a few years ago was unforgivable and then her claiming victory over the deportation of Qatada when he wasn't even deported.... self serving in the extreme!
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 04:12 PM
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Do you honestly believe that people high up it the UK government organised the Dunblane massacre?
Yup!!!
While British Prime Minister Tony Blair was under criminal suspicion in the “honours-for-cash” scandal that rocked "our" Labour government, there is an even more explosive scandal that Blair has managed to hide behind the British policy of issuing “D-Notices.
Government orders that prohibit the British media from reporting on certain “national security” cases.

In 1999, an international investigation of child pornographers and paedophiles run by Britain’s CIA,code named Operation Ore, resulted in thousands of suspects being identified in the United Kingdom alone.
Some people were criminally charged in the case and there were convictions. Almost 500 people were interviewed “under caution” by police, meaning they were suspects. Some 900 individuals remain under investigation. In early 2003, British police began to close in on some top suspects in the Operation Ore investigation, including senior members of Blair’s government.

However, Blair issued a D-Notice, resulting in a gag order on the press from publishing any details of the investigation. Blair cited the impending war in Iraq as a reason for the D-Notice.
Police also discovered links between British Labour government paedophile suspects and the trafficking of children for purposes of prostitution.

The Sunday Times is reported to have obtained an FBI/CIA list of Labour MPs who have used credit cards to pay for internet child pornography, and Blair has responded by imposing a massive news blackout.

Blair government insider Lord Robertson has threatened to sue Scotland’s leading independent newspaper over internet allegations that he not only used his influence to procure a gun licence for child killer Thomas Hamilton, but was also a member of a clandestine paedophile ring reportedly set up by Hamilton for the British elite. In 1996, Hamilton, armed with four hand-guns, opened fire on a junior school class, killing 16 children and one teacher before turning the gun on himself,
Lord Robertson was the referee on Thomas Hamilton’s shotgun licence.

Why, when Thomas Hamilton’s application for a gun licence was turned down, due to him being regarded as a man of unsound character and him being the object of several paedophilia investigations, did his MP, George Robertson (now Lord Robertson, Secretary-General of NATO), write him a glowing character reference, and personally see to it that his application was successful, when he knew the grounds for the original refusal were because he was suspected of procuring boys for sexual services?”

Dunblane may have been just over 11 years ago, but the questions still loom, that have to be answered.

1.No proper Autopsy and no inquest on Hamilton?

2. Reasons unknown – Shoots Kids? – was he a scape goat to get rid of evidence of a paedophile ring of MP’s and Mason’s in Scotland? – there seems to be mounting evidence to prove this theory.

3. Receives Shotgun Licence even though he was turned down by normal channels – Why was Lord Robertson not prosecuted for refereeing his application?

4. Why did he shoot himself with a different gun from the one he shot the kid’s with, even though the first gun still hand rounds in it? – strange to say the least.

These and many more questions, still remain unanswered.
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by stipete75
Yup!!!
While British Prime Minister Tony Blair was under criminal suspicion in the “honours-for-cash” scandal that rocked "our" Labour government, there is an even more explosive scandal that Blair has managed to hide behind the British policy of issuing “D-Notices.
Government orders that prohibit the British media from reporting on certain “national security” cases.

In 1999, an international investigation of child pornographers and paedophiles run by Britain’s CIA,code named Operation Ore, resulted in thousands of suspects being identified in the United Kingdom alone.
Some people were criminally charged in the case and there were convictions. Almost 500 people were interviewed “under caution” by police, meaning they were suspects. Some 900 individuals remain under investigation. In early 2003, British police began to close in on some top suspects in the Operation Ore investigation, including senior members of Blair’s government.

However, Blair issued a D-Notice, resulting in a gag order on the press from publishing any details of the investigation. Blair cited the impending war in Iraq as a reason for the D-Notice.
Police also discovered links between British Labour government paedophile suspects and the trafficking of children for purposes of prostitution.

The Sunday Times is reported to have obtained an FBI/CIA list of Labour MPs who have used credit cards to pay for internet child pornography, and Blair has responded by imposing a massive news blackout.

Blair government insider Lord Robertson has threatened to sue Scotland’s leading independent newspaper over internet allegations that he not only used his influence to procure a gun licence for child killer Thomas Hamilton, but was also a member of a clandestine paedophile ring reportedly set up by Hamilton for the British elite. In 1996, Hamilton, armed with four hand-guns, opened fire on a junior school class, killing 16 children and one teacher before turning the gun on himself,
Lord Robertson was the referee on Thomas Hamilton’s shotgun licence.

Why, when Thomas Hamilton’s application for a gun licence was turned down, due to him being regarded as a man of unsound character and him being the object of several paedophilia investigations, did his MP, George Robertson (now Lord Robertson, Secretary-General of NATO), write him a glowing character reference, and personally see to it that his application was successful, when he knew the grounds for the original refusal were because he was suspected of procuring boys for sexual services?”

Dunblane may have been just over 11 years ago, but the questions still loom, that have to be answered.

1.No proper Autopsy and no inquest on Hamilton?

2. Reasons unknown – Shoots Kids? – was he a scape goat to get rid of evidence of a paedophile ring of MP’s and Mason’s in Scotland? – there seems to be mounting evidence to prove this theory.

3. Receives Shotgun Licence even though he was turned down by normal channels – Why was Lord Robertson not prosecuted for refereeing his application?

4. Why did he shoot himself with a different gun from the one he shot the kid’s with, even though the first gun still hand rounds in it? – strange to say the least.

These and many more questions, still remain unanswered.
Try copy and pasting the first paragraph of this into google. You get literally dozens of articles all containing an identical script. Mainly on rather strange websites

What does that tell you?
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 05:01 PM
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You are an utter shambles of a person.

Once more deflecting and changing the point.
EFA!!!

I play you at your own game, if you can't handle the game then don't play it.

For someone who was correcting my spelling and who was blowing their trumpet a few posts ago about how quick you were on the uptake you have forgotten the full stop again. You total dumbfcuk.
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[quote=RA Dunk;11365581]EFA!!!
For someone who was correcting my spelling and who was blowing their trumpet a few posts ago about how quick you were on the uptake you have forgotten the full stop again. quote]

When did I say that?

Oh and I don't know where you get the idea that 'I can't handle' you from. I cannot think of anyone who is so consistently and obviously wrong, ill informed and boneheaded as you, so not much to 'handle' really is there?

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When did I say that?
Originally Posted by Martin2005
Yeah ages

Oh and it's 'wouldn't', you seem to be a bit slower on the up-take than me
You loosing you're marbles or something?
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Where did I say you can't handle me? proof?

You are as much wrong as anyone on here but you are too ignorant to accept it.
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Try copy and pasting the first paragraph of this into google. You get literally dozens of articles all containing an identical script. Mainly on rather strange websites

What does that tell you?
I did copy n paste the above, far easier than re-typing.
It tells me that more and more people are questioning and not just accepting.
Anyway, It's obviously to far fetched to have any inkling of truth in it.
Things like this obviously don't happen.
Our government does not cover anything up,never have, heck they wouldn't even dream of lying to us peasants.
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