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Old 17 November 2016, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
Prob go even quicker elsewhere,

I suspect you have a fair chunk of torque to go with "only" 380 ish bhp,

Guessing well over 400Ftlbs 420 ish even
At 1.6 bar maybe 😬
1.75s 60ft was as much grip as I could get, half hearted launch or the wheels just span even more than they were (1.75 was with bit wheelspin)

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Originally Posted by boosted
Of course dyno spool is BS anyway... road is where it counts.
I had a genuine evo3 big 16g on my 2.0l before the 2.5, it spooled about 3800 and couldn't hold boost up the top...
20g was spooling at 2800 and dropping like a stone too until I discovered an inlet pipe restriction... now it holds boost all the way. Can only assume this was the problem with the previous setup too. My point being let's not be too quick to blame the tubro. Chinese or not.
but its a level playing field. 16g will always run out of puff top end.

Considering that's what the whole topic is about then why you being so evasive about it?
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
I thought a fully loaded newage oiled and fueled was closer to 1600kg,
So that would make it even more powerful then!
Na my car weighs 1400 on the button with half tank of fuel and the spare wheel etc. I am 95kg
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Originally Posted by On-the-bog
but its a level playing field. 16g will always run out of puff top end.

Considering that's what the whole topic is about then why you being so evasive about it?
I though I was being quite upfront?
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Originally Posted by boosted
So that would make it even more powerful then!
Na my car weighs 1400 on the button with half tank of fuel and the spare wheel etc. I am 95kg
is it a 5 speed wrx ?

surely not with that torque ?
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
is it a 5 speed wrx ?

surely not with that torque ?
6 speed Audi Quattro gearbox in a wrx
Old 17 November 2016, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
is it a 5 speed wrx ?

surely not with that torque ?
thought it was a moded audi quatro box?

which is a relavvant point to be fair, makes drag times a bit irrelevant cos the ratios will massively affect the times
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Originally Posted by On-the-bog
thought it was a moded audi quatro box?

which is a relavvant point to be fair, makes drag times a bit irrelevant cos the ratios will massively affect the times
Yea a bit daft trying to use a one off unique setup to compare with cars which run similar drivetrains,

Lovely car mustve been fun building that
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Originally Posted by On-the-bog
thought it was a moded audi quatro box?

which is a relavvant point to be fair, makes drag times a bit irrelevant cos the ratios will massively affect the times
Massively? I ran almost the same times with a change from diesel ratios to petrol ones, seems that ratios don't really change your time in my experience
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Originally Posted by boosted
Massively? I ran almost the same times with a change from diesel ratios to petrol ones, seems that ratios don't really change your time in my experience
well people like Andy F, Mikee and others who do a darn sight more than you would argue different. Mikee for example won't switch to a 6 speed for that very reason (although added weight is a factor as well).
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Originally Posted by boosted
Massively? I ran almost the same times with a change from diesel ratios to petrol ones, seems that ratios don't really change your time in my experience
Ratios can make a huge difference,

Transmission losses would be different to any other subaru as well,

Nice car making great numbers but cant compare to most as yours is kind of unicorn build,

Out of interest was it much more expensive than a 6 speed swap or just time consuming ?
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Originally Posted by On-the-bog
well people like Andy F, Mikee and others who do a darn sight more than you would argue different. Mikee for example won't switch to a 6 speed for that very reason (although added weight is a factor as well).
That's because the sti 6 speed has rediculous short 1-4 and then 5th is a massive jump, no use if you have a LOT of power, bespoke drag cars will have a 60mph 1st ffs!.
Anyway we digress, regardless of ratios the turbo makes the power
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
Ratios can make a huge difference,

Transmission losses would be different to any other subaru as well,

Nice car making great numbers but cant compare to most as yours is kind of unicorn build,

Out of interest was it much more expensive than a 6 speed swap or just time consuming ?
I'd say the Quattro box has more transmission losses than the wrx box due to the wider gears and bigger bearings (it's all double the size).
Cost is now about the same and has been very time consuming. Probably wouldn't do it next time.
Ratios are now nice and if it breaks or fails I can replace it for £250.
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Originally Posted by boosted
That's because the sti 6 speed has rediculous short 1-4 and then 5th is a massive jump, no use if you have a LOT of power, bespoke drag cars will have a 60mph 1st ffs!.
Anyway we digress, regardless of ratios the turbo makes the power
yes, which is a figure you don't have. Which is the whole point.

Just get it on a dyno and then we'll know.

(dyno dynamics and shoot44 mode lol)
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Originally Posted by On-the-bog
yes, which is a figure you don't have. Which is the whole point.

Just get it on a dyno and then we'll know.

(dyno dynamics and shoot44 mode lol)
It will make 360-400hp and still run a 12.3 😂 No point dynoing it.
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Originally Posted by boosted
I'd say the Quattro box has more transmission losses than the wrx box due to the wider gears and bigger bearings (it's all double the size).
Cost is now about the same and has been very time consuming. Probably wouldn't do it next time.
Ratios are now nice and if it breaks or fails I can replace it for £250.
Until you get it on a dyno or do some datalogging you cant really make any accurate power claims,

Why cheap out on the turbo when it looks the rest of your setup is top notch ?

Or are you planning to break it so want to reduce replacement cost ie. cheaper box cheaper parts etc. ??
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Also I need another 40hp to do an 11.99 or am I and the calculator wrong? That's 420ish HP, that sound correct?
What I can tell you is this tubro will not do that...
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Originally Posted by boosted
It will make 360-400hp and still run a 12.3 😂 No point dynoing it.
Well if you dyno it you can compare to other cars lol

a 1/4 time shows nothing about drive ability or spool characteristics ?

Yes its fast
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
Well if you dyno it you can compare to other cars lol

a 1/4 time shows nothing about drive ability or spool characteristics ?

Yes its fast
this.

Butt dyno/drag strip isnt a way to compare turbo's.
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy

Why cheap out on the turbo when it looks the rest of your setup is top notch ?

??
Because I don't feel a genuine tubro would make any difference. It makes boost and holds it, not much more required from it.
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
Well if you dyno it you can compare to other cars lol

a 1/4 time shows nothing about drive ability or spool characteristics ?

Yes its fast
Of course it does, .1 second lagg every gear change would make me .4 seconds slower over the 1/4. Spool is a everything on a manual H box drag car, not running flat shift.
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Originally Posted by boosted
Because I don't feel a genuine tubro would make any difference. It makes boost and holds it, not much more required from it.
Spool better make more boost and hold for longer, plenty of reasons why.

Last longer when doing it,

May not be cost effective but will always perform better,
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Originally Posted by On-the-bog
this.

Butt dyno/drag strip isnt a way to compare turbo's.
My butt dyno is crap for sure, 1/4 mile is a lot more scientific though
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Originally Posted by boosted
Of course it does, .1 second lagg every gear change would make me .4 seconds slower over the 1/4. Spool is a everything on a manual H box drag car, not running flat shift.
2 cars can do same 1/4 and be totally diff to drive one laggy as hell and poor response one not,
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
Spool better make more boost and hold for longer, plenty of reasons why.

Last longer when doing it,

May not be cost effective but will always perform better,
Bold claims. Have you had genuine and non genuine turbos in bits and compared rotating components?
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Originally Posted by boosted
Bold claims. Have you had genuine and non genuine turbos in bits and compared rotating components?
Yet your making claims about the kinugawa turbo being good with nothing to reference it against.

How do you know your setup would not spool better and harder on a different turbo?
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Originally Posted by On-the-bog
Yet your making claims about the kinugawa turbo being good with nothing to reference it against.

How do you know your setup would not spool better and harder on a different turbo?
Mines not even a kinugawa it's far cheaper and a lot more Chinese lol.
You will struggle to beat 1.6 bar by 2800 lol, if you can I'm not really needing it lol
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Originally Posted by boosted
Bold claims. Have you had genuine and non genuine turbos in bits and compared rotating components?
Not personally but contacted various places that rebuild turbos and was told shaft and bearing quality on majority of ebay turbos was very poor to say the least, that and faulty actuators,

Decided against it,

Got my sc42 which has been upgraded further still by owen developments which i know has been checked and balanced by a professional instead of mass produced to huge tolerances in a chinese sweat shop
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Originally Posted by boosted
Mines not even a kinugawa it's far cheaper and a lot more Chinese lol.
You will struggle to beat 1.6 bar by 2800 lol, if you can I'm not really needing it lol
The fact you have high compression on a 2.5 with an audi box make any comparison stupid ?

put your turbo on a stock 2.0 wrx and have a laugh,
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
Not personally but contacted various places that rebuild turbos and was told shaft and bearing quality on majority of ebay turbos was very poor to say the least, that and faulty actuators,

Decided against it,

Got my sc42 which has been upgraded further still by owen developments which i know has been checked and balanced by a professional instead of mass produced to huge tolerances in a chinese sweat shop
All the parts are interchangeable gen-non gen and I have not noticed any tolerance or material issues with the rotating parts of the ones I have had in bits. The castings of housings can be a. It rough but not really an operating problem more asthetics.


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