who's the best impreza engine mapper?
17 November 2013, 06:17 PM
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.My comments were based on the premise that it would be better to base one's choice of operative on ability rather than charm.
Assuming you can articulate, tell me where I'm wrong here?
17 November 2013, 06:35 PM
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Hi,im just having 5 speed gearbox rebuilt with cryogenically frozen gearset (which apparrently makes it 25% stronger). I recently stripped 2nd gear running between 320-350bhp in my 04wrx. Anyways now I have stronger box I want more horseys 
about 400 sounds nice. So the question is 'Who/where do I go for the remap'? I have a couple of people/places in mind but want to see what others think? My mods are 550 pink injectors,induction kit,front mount intercooler,vf35 turbo,full exhaust system including uppipe. Engine rebuilt to a nice spec,engine builder has guaranteed engine for atleast 500bhp
about 400 sounds nice. So the question is 'Who/where do I go for the remap'? I have a couple of people/places in mind but want to see what others think? My mods are 550 pink injectors,induction kit,front mount intercooler,vf35 turbo,full exhaust system including uppipe. Engine rebuilt to a nice spec,engine builder has guaranteed engine for atleast 500bhpHowever how did it break? was it teeth off a gear or did it stop going into gear? a syncro?
you are going to need a larger turbo to go to 400.. billet 20g size turbo for example.
550cc pink injectors won't do a true 400 (although there is exceptions to that rule).
17 November 2013, 06:47 PM
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I don't know you from Adam, and have no wish to insult you. Why you choose to insult someone for expressing a carefully considered opinion based on everyday experience I have no idea. Why choose to use childishly disguised foul language as well? Didn't your Mother teach you any manners?
My comments were based on the premise that it would be better to base one's choice of operative on ability rather than charm.
Assuming you can articulate, tell me where I'm wrong here?
My comments were based on the premise that it would be better to base one's choice of operative on ability rather than charm.
Assuming you can articulate, tell me where I'm wrong here?
I also find the only part of this subaru community / tuning scene that is not to my liking is the bitching from other tuners, who rather than promote themselves slag others off (I do not include Alan in this and get on really well with both Martyn and Alan(even if he can be grumpy)).
I agree Alan that it can be very beneficial to have more than just a laptop tool wise accessible when mapping a car which is why I map from a number of helpful locations where a workshop is on site or nearby like for example TFS Racing, Surrey Subaru Specialists, Area52, Roger Clark Motorsport, Central Subaru, Subaru4you. However it does also benefit owners to go to their house and map their car from their address be it a simple get it running map and drive to the nearest dyno or road map or running in map.
Some owners want to do work themselves or have a trusted mechanic and would rather not use a one house does all garage.
Simon
17 November 2013, 06:49 PM
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if its the standard gearset treated it will be stronger but I wouldnt expect it to be fine with 400hp, although its the torque that breaks them and with a later spooling turbo the torque will be later in the rev range and for less time.. but I would consider the treatment to make the box strong enough to hopefully take the current power output not more.
However how did it break? was it teeth off a gear or did it stop going into gear? a syncro?
you are going to need a larger turbo to go to 400.. billet 20g size turbo for example.
550cc pink injectors won't do a true 400 (although there is exceptions to that rule).
However how did it break? was it teeth off a gear or did it stop going into gear? a syncro?
you are going to need a larger turbo to go to 400.. billet 20g size turbo for example.
550cc pink injectors won't do a true 400 (although there is exceptions to that rule).
17 November 2013, 06:58 PM
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I tend to find being polite and talking to customers on a level with them and treating them how I would expect to be treated both in discussion and how their car is mapped makes for a wise business practice, not overly smarmy or charming or grumpy. I would hate to be mapping cars just for the money, I really enjoy it and therefore am often cheery and Jolly.. although not normally green other than in clothing and tend to leave the monster bit to the cars.
I also find the only part of this subaru community / tuning scene that is not to my liking is the bitching from other tuners, who rather than promote themselves slag others off (I do not include Alan in this and get on really well with both Martyn and Alan(even if he can be grumpy)).
I agree Alan that it can be very beneficial to have more than just a laptop tool wise accessible when mapping a car which is why I map from a number of helpful locations where a workshop is on site or nearby like for example TFS Racing, Surrey Subaru Specialists, Area52, Roger Clark Motorsport, Central Subaru, Subaru4you. However it does also benefit owners to go to their house and map their car from their address be it a simple get it running map and drive to the nearest dyno or road map or running in map.
Some owners want to do work themselves or have a trusted mechanic and would rather not use a one house does all garage.
Simon
I also find the only part of this subaru community / tuning scene that is not to my liking is the bitching from other tuners, who rather than promote themselves slag others off (I do not include Alan in this and get on really well with both Martyn and Alan(even if he can be grumpy)).
I agree Alan that it can be very beneficial to have more than just a laptop tool wise accessible when mapping a car which is why I map from a number of helpful locations where a workshop is on site or nearby like for example TFS Racing, Surrey Subaru Specialists, Area52, Roger Clark Motorsport, Central Subaru, Subaru4you. However it does also benefit owners to go to their house and map their car from their address be it a simple get it running map and drive to the nearest dyno or road map or running in map.
Some owners want to do work themselves or have a trusted mechanic and would rather not use a one house does all garage.
Simon
It's a bit like saying you don't like eating l' Escargot, then everybody assumes you hate the French..
17 November 2013, 07:01 PM
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if its the standard gearset treated it will be stronger but I wouldnt expect it to be fine with 400hp, although its the torque that breaks them and with a later spooling turbo the torque will be later in the rev range and for less time.. but I would consider the treatment to make the box strong enough to hopefully take the current power output not more.
However how did it break? was it teeth off a gear or did it stop going into gear? a syncro?
you are going to need a larger turbo to go to 400.. billet 20g size turbo for example.
550cc pink injectors won't do a true 400 (although there is exceptions to that rule).
17 November 2013, 07:34 PM
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I have in the past walked into a shop intending on spending several hundred pounds on things like a laptop or TV and walked out purely because I didn't like the way I was being spoken to.
Although I agree I would rather have someone map my car who knows what they are doing someone being grumpy or rude just makes me think I will take my hard earned elsewhere.
If they are that way when they are taking your money how will they be if you ask for some free advice.
Although I agree I would rather have someone map my car who knows what they are doing someone being grumpy or rude just makes me think I will take my hard earned elsewhere.
If they are that way when they are taking your money how will they be if you ask for some free advice.
17 November 2013, 08:01 PM
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Fpmsl, at the fan boys for the so called mappers lol.
About more than half of the names I wouldn't trust.
But I hope every mapper reading this thread ups their game to double checking things etc so there's no back fire.
Tbh it amazes me how everyone keeps quiet on here when they've had failures or problems with mapped cars as it happens quite regular but the customer is blagged into a problem blamed elsewhere.
But the amount of threads kissing **** is shocking!
About more than half of the names I wouldn't trust.
But I hope every mapper reading this thread ups their game to double checking things etc so there's no back fire.
Tbh it amazes me how everyone keeps quiet on here when they've had failures or problems with mapped cars as it happens quite regular but the customer is blagged into a problem blamed elsewhere.
But the amount of threads kissing **** is shocking!
17 November 2013, 08:07 PM
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Fpmsl, at the fan boys for the so called mappers lol. About more than half of the names I wouldn't trust. But I hope every mapper reading this thread ups their game to double checking things etc so there's no back fire. Tbh it amazes me how everyone keeps quiet on here when they've had failures or problems with mapped cars as it happens quite regular but the customer is blagged into a problem blamed elsewhere. But the amount of threads kissing **** is shocking!
17 November 2013, 08:12 PM
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Not aware of a top subaru tuner than doesnt post on forums or advertise in magazines for example.
Not having a dig btw but Alan and I posting help on here mean we are not good at what we do?
17 November 2013, 08:13 PM
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For some one who has had lets say a fair few cars mapped all the below are good what they do some of them spend alot more time doing the job then other's do for me this is important to get the max out of your'e set up.
Enginetuner
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None of the cars ive had have broken due to pore mapping and all of them have been to the ring so long journeys including getting raced to there full potential.
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None of the cars ive had have broken due to pore mapping and all of them have been to the ring so long journeys including getting raced to there full potential.
17 November 2013, 08:14 PM
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I have in the past walked into a shop intending on spending several hundred pounds on things like a laptop or TV and walked out purely because I didn't like the way I was being spoken to.
Although I agree I would rather have someone map my car who knows what they are doing someone being grumpy or rude just makes me think I will take my hard earned elsewhere.
If they are that way when they are taking your money how will they be if you ask for some free advice.
Although I agree I would rather have someone map my car who knows what they are doing someone being grumpy or rude just makes me think I will take my hard earned elsewhere.
If they are that way when they are taking your money how will they be if you ask for some free advice.
I said I'd RATHER use somebody who was grumpy and knew what they were doing, than somebody who was smiley but doesn't..
I agree when buying a shirt, or ordering a meal, you'd expect obsequiousness, demand it in fact, but if I'd done something daft to my car, or was standing there talking technical bollocks which risked my long term financial welfare I'd prefer it if the man I'm paying to advise me put me right.
There's no place for "yes" men in my line of work, and unfortunately the customer is frequently wrong.
Every day, six days a week, I'm asked to make judgement calls that can greatly affect an outcome. It's my job to make the correct decisions, even if it pees on the odd barbie.
I spend hours on the phone giving free advice. I get emails, PM's, messages on Facebook, you name it. I answer them all, usually in less than a day.
I have helped fix cars this way as far away as Australia.
I commonly get asked about all sorts of tuning projects that are unsustainable, both in cost and content. Bear in mind we don't only do Subarus. My usual reaction, seeing it all from a mile off, is to advise that they sell that car, and buy a faster one. Now is that rude, or just good advice?
17 November 2013, 08:15 PM
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Hi. Stripped the teeth. Gearbox builder and a couple other people have said standard 5speed is on its limit at 350bhp and that frozen/stronger one will still be on limit at 400bhp although like you say its the torque. 400bhp was a nice figure in my head lol I didnt realise turbo wouldnt stretch that far. I would be happy with anymore I can get from it. Engine needs a tune very soon as I have run new engine in now (last one melted piston cylinder 4 and dont it happening again,thing is you wouldn't notice anything wrong when driving it)
Vf35 I think you said, should do 320-350 depending on supporting mods.
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17 November 2013, 08:25 PM
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Anyway you have to be happy otherwise it's false advertising
17 November 2013, 08:31 PM
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It's amazing how this thread is being misinterpreted!
I said I'd RATHER use somebody who was grumpy and knew what they were doing, than somebody who was smiley but doesn't..
I agree when buying a shirt, or ordering a meal, you'd expect obsequiousness, demand it in fact, but if I'd done something daft to my car, or was standing there talking technical bollocks which risked my long term financial welfare I'd prefer it if the man I'm paying to advise me put me right.
There's no place for "yes" men in my line of work, and unfortunately the customer is frequently wrong.
Every day, six days a week, I'm asked to make judgement calls that can greatly affect an outcome. It's my job to make the correct decisions, even if it pees on the odd barbie.
I spend hours on the phone giving free advice. I get emails, PM's, messages on Facebook, you name it. I answer them all, usually in less than a day.
I have helped fix cars this way as far away as Australia.
I commonly get asked about all sorts of tuning projects that are unsustainable, both in cost and content. Bear in mind we don't only do Subarus. My usual reaction, seeing it all from a mile off, is to advise that they sell that car, and buy a faster one. Now is that rude, or just good advice?
I said I'd RATHER use somebody who was grumpy and knew what they were doing, than somebody who was smiley but doesn't..
I agree when buying a shirt, or ordering a meal, you'd expect obsequiousness, demand it in fact, but if I'd done something daft to my car, or was standing there talking technical bollocks which risked my long term financial welfare I'd prefer it if the man I'm paying to advise me put me right.
There's no place for "yes" men in my line of work, and unfortunately the customer is frequently wrong.
Every day, six days a week, I'm asked to make judgement calls that can greatly affect an outcome. It's my job to make the correct decisions, even if it pees on the odd barbie.
I spend hours on the phone giving free advice. I get emails, PM's, messages on Facebook, you name it. I answer them all, usually in less than a day.
I have helped fix cars this way as far away as Australia.
I commonly get asked about all sorts of tuning projects that are unsustainable, both in cost and content. Bear in mind we don't only do Subarus. My usual reaction, seeing it all from a mile off, is to advise that they sell that car, and buy a faster one. Now is that rude, or just good advice?
Most engine tuners builders -mappers dont tlk much and people think there ignorant also when replying to pms can take a few days as there megga busy.
Then there is some who once they have took every penny they take the **** and dont reply, But a turbo over there head does the trick,Soon reply
17 November 2013, 08:55 PM
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Agree primary importance is the map, not if the mapper is happy or grumpy
Secondly have it done where all the facilities are and a garage that can support if problems need sorting on the day or parts are needed. Agree 100% with Alan on that one
I've only ever used Pat to be fair in 16 years of ownership (apart from a couple of years break from it). Not a director at SYVECS for nothing.
Plenty of other good mappers as well, as Fud says in his list
Secondly have it done where all the facilities are and a garage that can support if problems need sorting on the day or parts are needed. Agree 100% with Alan on that one
I've only ever used Pat to be fair in 16 years of ownership (apart from a couple of years break from it). Not a director at SYVECS for nothing.
Plenty of other good mappers as well, as Fud says in his list
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Who cares if your chosen mapper smiles and has a friendly attitude
It's bullsh1t
Your paying for someone to do a job ( and paying good money )
End off , your not having tea and fecking scones and a nice chit chat
As for recommendation purely on forum talk , I'd rather take my chances crossing the English channel in an egg cup
There's been someone recently on this forum proclaiming to be mr mapper 2013
And I've seen his work (as have others on here ) and it's shocking
Saying or asking "who's the best mapper " is like saying who bakes the best cakes
Mr Kipling or someone's gran who's baked for years
Both end up with a similar end product that's usable (edible)
But ones mass produced and churn out as many as possible in a day , the other is baked with care and love over a period of time
It's bullsh1t
Your paying for someone to do a job ( and paying good money )
End off , your not having tea and fecking scones and a nice chit chat
As for recommendation purely on forum talk , I'd rather take my chances crossing the English channel in an egg cup
There's been someone recently on this forum proclaiming to be mr mapper 2013
And I've seen his work (as have others on here ) and it's shocking
Saying or asking "who's the best mapper " is like saying who bakes the best cakes
Mr Kipling or someone's gran who's baked for years
Both end up with a similar end product that's usable (edible)
But ones mass produced and churn out as many as possible in a day , the other is baked with care and love over a period of time
