WRX Blobeye Long Build - Fast Road Project
13 October 2013, 09:33 PM
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13 October 2013, 09:41 PM
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As i said to you above, an open deck block is plenty man enough for 500+hp, i run it at 485hp daily, and 535hp when i put the meth in.
Has been like over 500hp for 4 years and over 20k miles.
I would stress yet again, the art is in the set up. 450-500 is too fast in a road going car to use effectively. the thing is in the figures it is ***** waving.
You would be way better off spending the enormous amount of cash on the chassis and set up of the right handling parts and the stopping power.
I really cannot stress enough the fact that in a well set up, properly sorted chassis arrangement that 450hp is just not useable on the road. EVER
Has been like over 500hp for 4 years and over 20k miles.
I would stress yet again, the art is in the set up. 450-500 is too fast in a road going car to use effectively. the thing is in the figures it is ***** waving.
You would be way better off spending the enormous amount of cash on the chassis and set up of the right handling parts and the stopping power.
I really cannot stress enough the fact that in a well set up, properly sorted chassis arrangement that 450hp is just not useable on the road. EVER
But it's nice to have though
13 October 2013, 09:49 PM
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No but surely thats why they call it a project? I was happy with 300bhp but I want more. Its nice to have and take on a track. Like I said it wont be my daily car so I can't see the harm in having a project that will become a toy when it's all done (potentially it could take years but as I said I'm in no rush). Something worth keeping.
13 October 2013, 09:50 PM
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I agree with the. Set up when the guy owned my track car it ran about 350ish and weighed in at 1050kg fuelled up and driver in car on the grid if you look on YouTube Stratton at brands hatch see how that goes and passes everyone so you don't really need 500hp
But it's nice to have though
But it's nice to have though
13 October 2013, 09:58 PM
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As i said to you above, an open deck block is plenty man enough for 500+hp, i run it at 485hp daily, and 535hp when i put the meth in.
Has been like over 500hp for 4 years and over 20k miles.
I would stress yet again, the art is in the set up. 450-500 is too fast in a road going car to use effectively. the thing is in the figures it is ***** waving.
You would be way better off spending the enormous amount of cash on the chassis and set up of the right handling parts and the stopping power.
I really cannot stress enough the fact that in a well set up, properly sorted chassis arrangement that 450hp is just not useable on the road. EVER
Has been like over 500hp for 4 years and over 20k miles.
I would stress yet again, the art is in the set up. 450-500 is too fast in a road going car to use effectively. the thing is in the figures it is ***** waving.
You would be way better off spending the enormous amount of cash on the chassis and set up of the right handling parts and the stopping power.
I really cannot stress enough the fact that in a well set up, properly sorted chassis arrangement that 450hp is just not useable on the road. EVER
14 October 2013, 09:21 AM
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Why RCM headers?
They are ****e in a simple word.
Crack easily, restrict power and give rubbish response/spool up. The english way of tuning scoobys is so wrong it is untrue. Everyone wants to keep the sound of the "scooby", equal length headers give better response, better spool and more power.
The original GT Spec design was rubbish and based on old designs, times move forwards and so does design etc. now something alot better is available yet people still put up with sub standard rubbish
They are ****e in a simple word.
Crack easily, restrict power and give rubbish response/spool up. The english way of tuning scoobys is so wrong it is untrue. Everyone wants to keep the sound of the "scooby", equal length headers give better response, better spool and more power.
The original GT Spec design was rubbish and based on old designs, times move forwards and so does design etc. now something alot better is available yet people still put up with sub standard rubbish
14 October 2013, 04:39 PM
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Why RCM headers?
They are ****e in a simple word.
Crack easily, restrict power and give rubbish response/spool up. The english way of tuning scoobys is so wrong it is untrue. Everyone wants to keep the sound of the "scooby", equal length headers give better response, better spool and more power.
The original GT Spec design was rubbish and based on old designs, times move forwards and so does design etc. now something alot better is available yet people still put up with sub standard rubbish
They are ****e in a simple word.
Crack easily, restrict power and give rubbish response/spool up. The english way of tuning scoobys is so wrong it is untrue. Everyone wants to keep the sound of the "scooby", equal length headers give better response, better spool and more power.
The original GT Spec design was rubbish and based on old designs, times move forwards and so does design etc. now something alot better is available yet people still put up with sub standard rubbish
14 October 2013, 04:59 PM
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http://www.killerbmotorsport.com/index_files/Header.htm
That is all there is to say, Titanium Steel, lifetime warranty.
Car is like night and day, had gtspec/rcm/japspeed headers on on its original map 4yrs/20k miles ago, and made 450 on low boost and 517 on meth drag map.
4 years of hard abuse later we were aiming to bring it back to around those figures no one expected it to do better let alone get close to the original figures, it pulled 485hp on normal map and 532 on the meth map.
304 stainless cannot handle the heat of a turbo car and falls apart, the RCM/GT spec design isnt the best.
It isnt about "flowing more" its all about the velocity and heat energy that reaches the turbo. These are specifically designed with response and spool in mind, and it really does show. My power was dropping off by 6k on the other headers, on these it is still rising at rev limit...
The difference between driving mine on the GT spec/RCM/Japspeed and the Killer B unit, really is night and day, the pick up and response is completely unreal now. Martyn J was gobsmacked by how it drives now, he could not believe the difference in the way it picks up and drives now. (He has driven my car alot including racing it)
The pick up is instant now, no messing around it is just brutally fast now, noticeably more so than on the previous headers.
That is all there is to say, Titanium Steel, lifetime warranty.
Car is like night and day, had gtspec/rcm/japspeed headers on on its original map 4yrs/20k miles ago, and made 450 on low boost and 517 on meth drag map.
4 years of hard abuse later we were aiming to bring it back to around those figures no one expected it to do better let alone get close to the original figures, it pulled 485hp on normal map and 532 on the meth map.
304 stainless cannot handle the heat of a turbo car and falls apart, the RCM/GT spec design isnt the best.
It isnt about "flowing more" its all about the velocity and heat energy that reaches the turbo. These are specifically designed with response and spool in mind, and it really does show. My power was dropping off by 6k on the other headers, on these it is still rising at rev limit...
The difference between driving mine on the GT spec/RCM/Japspeed and the Killer B unit, really is night and day, the pick up and response is completely unreal now. Martyn J was gobsmacked by how it drives now, he could not believe the difference in the way it picks up and drives now. (He has driven my car alot including racing it)
The pick up is instant now, no messing around it is just brutally fast now, noticeably more so than on the previous headers.
14 October 2013, 05:24 PM
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http://www.killerbmotorsport.com/index_files/Header.htm
That is all there is to say, Titanium Steel, lifetime warranty.
Car is like night and day, had gtspec/rcm/japspeed headers on on its original map 4yrs/20k miles ago, and made 450 on low boost and 517 on meth drag map.
4 years of hard abuse later we were aiming to bring it back to around those figures no one expected it to do better let alone get close to the original figures, it pulled 485hp on normal map and 532 on the meth map.
304 stainless cannot handle the heat of a turbo car and falls apart, the RCM/GT spec design isnt the best.
It isnt about "flowing more" its all about the velocity and heat energy that reaches the turbo. These are specifically designed with response and spool in mind, and it really does show. My power was dropping off by 6k on the other headers, on these it is still rising at rev limit...
The difference between driving mine on the GT spec/RCM/Japspeed and the Killer B unit, really is night and day, the pick up and response is completely unreal now. Martyn J was gobsmacked by how it drives now, he could not believe the difference in the way it picks up and drives now. (He has driven my car alot including racing it)
The pick up is instant now, no messing around it is just brutally fast now, noticeably more so than on the previous headers.
That is all there is to say, Titanium Steel, lifetime warranty.
Car is like night and day, had gtspec/rcm/japspeed headers on on its original map 4yrs/20k miles ago, and made 450 on low boost and 517 on meth drag map.
4 years of hard abuse later we were aiming to bring it back to around those figures no one expected it to do better let alone get close to the original figures, it pulled 485hp on normal map and 532 on the meth map.
304 stainless cannot handle the heat of a turbo car and falls apart, the RCM/GT spec design isnt the best.
It isnt about "flowing more" its all about the velocity and heat energy that reaches the turbo. These are specifically designed with response and spool in mind, and it really does show. My power was dropping off by 6k on the other headers, on these it is still rising at rev limit...
The difference between driving mine on the GT spec/RCM/Japspeed and the Killer B unit, really is night and day, the pick up and response is completely unreal now. Martyn J was gobsmacked by how it drives now, he could not believe the difference in the way it picks up and drives now. (He has driven my car alot including racing it)
The pick up is instant now, no messing around it is just brutally fast now, noticeably more so than on the previous headers.
Only joking, sounds like a good bit of information there and sounds good. So your 500bhp is a daily drive?
14 October 2013, 05:27 PM
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450+ is a bit of a vague target and also on the kusp of enging block selection in my view. if your going 450-460 the 2.5 is def the way to go, 500+ then 2.35 cdb.
at 450-460 a 2.5 on the road will be emense and nigh on 500ftlb
at 450-460 a 2.5 on the road will be emense and nigh on 500ftlb
14 October 2013, 05:37 PM
#49
Haha, I wish I did. I just like pushing the boundaries and doing it differently. No point sticking with the crowd!
And I was so impressed by the results it really is hard not to get excited about it, anyone is welcome to come out for a spin in the car and see for themselves!
It isnt at the minute as I just dont have time with work etc, but it has always been used lots, it is my only car, I have a work van but do over 2k miles a week in the van so would rather use the car!
So I drive it at any chance i can, and i always drive it to the drag and track days and drive it home after a hard days racing
14 October 2013, 05:39 PM
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out of a 2.5? SC46 billet and a pinned/forged 2.5, would be a way better drive on the road with all that torque, i run a 2.1 and it is also very very good, but if it was exclusievly for road id go 2.5
14 October 2013, 05:44 PM
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So what torque are you producing on your 2.1? May look at going down the 2.5 route then...
What I need to do to forge/pin a 2.5?
Also where abouts are you?
What I need to do to forge/pin a 2.5?
Also where abouts are you?
14 October 2013, 05:56 PM
#54
Yes, and all this is on standard v3 wrx heads. If i dropped in some lairy cams and some valve springs etc then I would see more The torque drops off sharply because I am outside the spec of the cams, just just cannot flow any more air through them see the graph - https://www.scoobynet.com/952187-my-...c-scoob-2.html
Got a set of heads I am converting to shimless buckets and what not so I can add another 1.5k revs to it.
The torque drops off sharply because I am outside the spec of the cams, just just cannot flow any more air through them see the graph - https://www.scoobynet.com/952187-my-...c-scoob-2.htmlGot a set of heads I am converting to shimless buckets and what not so I can add another 1.5k revs to it.
14 October 2013, 05:59 PM
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Yes, and all this is on standard v3 wrx heads. If i dropped in some lairy cams and some valve springs etc then I would see more The torque drops off sharply because I am outside the spec of the cams, just just cannot flow any more air through them see the graph - https://www.scoobynet.com/952187-my-...c-scoob-2.html
Got a set of heads I am converting to shimless buckets and what not so I can add another 1.5k revs to it.
The torque drops off sharply because I am outside the spec of the cams, just just cannot flow any more air through them see the graph - https://www.scoobynet.com/952187-my-...c-scoob-2.htmlGot a set of heads I am converting to shimless buckets and what not so I can add another 1.5k revs to it.
14 October 2013, 06:00 PM
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Shame your too far away from me 
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From what I can make out it will be cheaper to do a 2.1 perhaps on my ODB and achieve 450-500bhp and 500ft/lb.
My other option is a 2.35 or a 2.5 forged which sounds like it could cost quite a bit more money...?
.From what I can make out it will be cheaper to do a 2.1 perhaps on my ODB and achieve 450-500bhp and 500ft/lb.
My other option is a 2.35 or a 2.5 forged which sounds like it could cost quite a bit more money...?
14 October 2013, 06:06 PM
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2.5 wouldnt cost alot more if not less than a 2.1 stroke ri think...
Shreksta, Discuss it on my thread I dont want to clog up RCS' thread with too much about my build, just is always good to discuss it with people who have similar!
Honestly RCS mate, 500hp is a ballache, not only is it expensive to acheive, it is horrible to maintain too! in the last 3 months i have spent probably more than 4k on maintenance, Exhaust manifolds, rear brakes are shot so might aswell do the fronts too, rear coilovers have started leaking, gearbox will need rebuilding, and the turbo seals are on the way out, and then there is the remapping, alkatek upgrade, fitting of the ex manifolds...
It is a never ending circle...
BUT,
The smile it puts on your face when you do something like this makes all the hassle, effort and money all worth while,
Shreksta, Discuss it on my thread I dont want to clog up RCS' thread with too much about my build, just is always good to discuss it with people who have similar!
Honestly RCS mate, 500hp is a ballache, not only is it expensive to acheive, it is horrible to maintain too! in the last 3 months i have spent probably more than 4k on maintenance, Exhaust manifolds, rear brakes are shot so might aswell do the fronts too, rear coilovers have started leaking, gearbox will need rebuilding, and the turbo seals are on the way out, and then there is the remapping, alkatek upgrade, fitting of the ex manifolds...
It is a never ending circle...
BUT,
The smile it puts on your face when you do something like this makes all the hassle, effort and money all worth while,
14 October 2013, 06:11 PM
#58
just fit a newage sti engine and an sc46 turbo or lateral md series one
job done, oh and you will need a 6 speed box as the 5 speed wont take it
im always amazed why people spunk loads of cash on a 2.1 stroker when they only want 450 bhp, the standard sti lump will take this all day long.
job done, oh and you will need a 6 speed box as the 5 speed wont take it
im always amazed why people spunk loads of cash on a 2.1 stroker when they only want 450 bhp, the standard sti lump will take this all day long.
14 October 2013, 06:14 PM
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Yes I understand what a pain it'll be but because it's not a daily if I cant afford to replace something it can wait till I save up.
Like I said, I can save up for something I want. My business is a summer business so in the summer I earn a good amount of money, during the winter I also earn a good wage.
Like I said, I can save up for something I want. My business is a summer business so in the summer I earn a good amount of money, during the winter I also earn a good wage.
14 October 2013, 06:16 PM
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just fit a newage sti engine and an sc46 turbo or lateral md series one
job done, oh and you will need a 6 speed box as the 5 speed wont take it
im always amazed why people spunk loads of cash on a 2.1 stroker when they only want 450 bhp, the standard sti lump will take this all day long.
job done, oh and you will need a 6 speed box as the 5 speed wont take it
im always amazed why people spunk loads of cash on a 2.1 stroker when they only want 450 bhp, the standard sti lump will take this all day long.
