Osimabu

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http://www.supercars.net/cars/3628.html

Shaun

You've been a member on SN for nearly 12 months and you don't know what a RA-R is........ you should be shot!

Pull the noose out guys!

fpan

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RA-R would get my vote too but it would cost at least 8-10k above a T** or a Spec C wouldn't it?

Maz

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It's not worth that premium.

LuckyWelshchap

Brembos and PFs on mine.
It stops quickly enough for me (and everyone else on the road).

And if you did buy a T I presume you'd have tested it, should most certainly would be happy with it all.

Mine's available to benchmark against if you wish.

LuckyWelshchap

Google 'Litchfield Type 20' and you'll find a few previous ads, to give you an idea of cost and how they depreciate.

jimblive

Don't forget about the hawk Spec C RA. A little bit cheaper than a RA-R.
Same suspension set up as the RA-R but comes on 17's not 18's, does not have the 6 pots and has the vf36 not the vf42.

LuckyWelshchap

T20's got the VF36 as well.

JTinnovations

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Aren't T20's based on the base STi not the Spec C? In which case VF37, I think.

The Pink Ninja

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Yes Tim, If it was a JDM Sti T20 it would have been a VF37 but a VF36 if it was based on the Spec-C model, Not sure if any of the hawk T20 (MK2) were spec-c's though like the earlier MK1 versions?

thenewgalaxy

I may be wrong but I thought the Type 20 and Type 25 needed donor cars, so they could have used either a Spec C or standard trim model, A-line or whatever?

Barnesy

Both JDM STI and Spec C in Hawkeye T20's.

LuckyWelshchap

You could specify which you wanted.
I didn't realise that they had different turbos, but the Spec C is a VF36 (in original form anyway).

Riggers sti

Yeah there where here's mine

thenewgalaxy

We've established that it's a quick car and desirable too.

But don't pick on any WRX PPPs or Rovers with 1.4 engines

JC-R

That is nice , wana sell it ?
Im not certain that i know which is best tho , is it the T20 hawkeye or is it the T25 hawkeye ??

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T25

Matthew Gill

...and the WRX is lighter?

resist resist resist

Riggers sti

No it's not for sale mate

I'd go with the 2.0 if you can find one , 2.5's are unreliable , I popped a standard 2.5 then a Cossie forged 2.5 within 18 months

LuckyWelshchap

Or anything until Oil Temp's above 70 C.

LuckyWelshchap

Defo agree about the T20

But in fairness I thought all T25's (Mk 2) were 'cossied' ?
(And I can't believe that a cossie blew).

LuckyWelshchap

In the words of Sir Mick, "I wanna see it painted, painted BLACK".

But then again, blue is the colour.
(Bu&&er - can't get the photo uploaded).

Doesn't matter - different colours, same electrifying performance.

JC-R

So can the T20s take 400 brake reliably ?
The T25s are 415 brake and you say theyre not reliable ?
Im fooked if i know which one to go for now

LuckyWelshchap

Er... Riggers said they're unreliable on #139.
I've never had one.

I think the Mk2 T25's were about 415 'standard'.

T20 Hawks were 360/360 (ish?).
Remapped by JGM on Momentum you can get 370+/389, so presumably 400 would mean mods, which then would make it erm... not an 'original' T20.

And without being funny would it be worth it for only an 8-10% increase in power (not performance) ?

JC-R

Sorry, yes it was Riggers that said the 2.5s are unreliable

And you are right , 360 or 370 power and tourque in the T20 is surely enough.

thenewgalaxy

A Type 20 hawk will push 400bhp with an LM400 turbo and remap.

If it's based on a spec C model then I wouldn't worry pushing those figures out, it's a forged engine.

Many push similar figures out through stock 2.0 single and twin scroll without issue so if you want that kind of power it is available!

JTinnovations

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Spec C and 2.0l twinscroll JDM engine specification is the same - so T20 will take the same power regardless of base model. It's the VF36/37 that is the limit at around 360/370 IME. Hence the LM series of bolt-on turbo upgrades.

JC-R

Thanks Guy's im beginning to get there with knowing what's what with these JDMs and spec Cs and T20s or 25s.
Im finding lots of these have had engine rebuilds or new engines within past 10 or 20k miles which is a bit of a concern. Spose its ok if they have had a recent new or rebuit engine .

Dan W

I have been following this thread but haven’t commented yet because I didn’t feel that I had anything to offer.

I few years ago a friend of mine and I went up to Litchfield’s to see how things were done and came away very impressed with the set up they had there.

The blokes we talked to were polite and friendly and informative.

I was amazed that they allowed us to walk up to the engine blocks that were on the shelf and examine them.

Personally I was impressed that Cosworth had become involved and liked so much what Lichtfield was doing that they agreed to supply them with engine blocks.

Subaru obviously saw that it missed a trick there and soon muscled in onto Litchfield’s patch and got Cosworth to supply them with engines for a limited run of hatchbacks.


As far as I am concerned there is no doubt that all the Litchfield Imprezas will become classic cars in their own right but there are a number of reasons for this.

One of them is the fact that they are severely limited run cars from a British ‘Garden Shed’ engineer – come good when Cosworth doffed its cap their direction.

Secondly in 20 years time very few cars from the first decade of this century will make it to ‘the enthusiast’s classic’ because most modern cars have no character.

In 20 years the classics of the day will be Imprezas’ Evos’ Skyline’s, a handful of German cars powered by M and AMG and that’s about it. I might have missed a few but there wont be many I bet.

I might be wrong but time will tell.

Riggers sti

Wasn't a t25 engine I popped was a standard uk Sti when it first went pop then it got rebuilt with Cossie pistons , Carrillo rods with the standard crank , it ran 484bhp on a sc46 and went pop after 4-5 months