neil-h

Since when has Stephen Hawking attacked religion? I recall a documentary in which he put forward an argument that the existence of a higher being was unlikely. How ever he never described believers as interlectually inferior/weak minded/brainwashed.

pimmo2000

iTrader: (6)

They sound like a lovely bunch, clearly religion is the voice of peace.

dpb

Root of all evil

RA Dunk

Why is it arrogant Shaid? he is entitled to his beliefs as much as you are to yours.

The only thing arrogant is the statement you just made TBH.

Matteeboy

Let me get this right - you suggest we go on a forum full of religious nutters who will then take us up the rear end because we are so "arrogant" as to not believe in a made up entity?

Hmmm, I wonder why religion has an image problem.

warrenm2

What you mean a bit like 8 of 10 cats does countdown, we have Scoobynet does imajihaddistnutter.com? Sounds like fun

Actually when you say "highlight just how weak willed you and your arrogant beliefs are", I hear a bunch of nut jobs shouting as loud as possible with a whole load of personal threats of violence in place of argument. Must be my arrogant belief. Which is ironic....

veerinder9

iTrader: (1)

Agreed. Religion is the biggest cause of wars, hate, segregation. We're all human. We got created by a big bang or God? I don't know. Im on a mission to find out but won't follow the crowd. Il do my own research. When I'm tired of fast cars beautiful women and money. That'll be in another 50+ years

Martin2005

That sounds more like scoobynet to me

TylerDurden

Is atheism itself not a religion?

http://creation.com/atheism-a-religion

I for one cant stand Richard Dawkins, a truely vile hate filled person.

RA Dunk

Heres a group I often watch on You Tube the Athiest Experiance, pretty good viewing TBH.

Martin2005

I note with interest that an awful lot of the 'intelligent non-religous' types on here are also so enlightened that they believe we should ignore the starving of the world and stop overseas aid, scrap benefits, abolish immigration, dig up as much stuff from the ground as possible and burn it, and generally only do things that benefit themselves...how does that work??

If being a non-religious person involves being a completely selfish cvnt then I think I'm off to church on Sunday!!

Dingdongler

Are you saying they have become a bunch of bum bandits due to religious suppression of their sexuality?

hodgy0_2

unbelievable nonsense

Shaid

Hey I ain't no scholar and I will admit that I do look down to many people for the beings that they have become. I do see atheists who have a bone to pick with religion for the confused muppets that they are. Point being you haven't even come into said Islamic forum yet you feel you are in a position to judge.

So as I said, you want to debate religion come over and debate. You want to troll in the comfort of like minded chummies? Well, goes to show who is the weak and less intelligent.

RA Dunk

and we would get a healthy debate with people who have been brainwashed from an early age into believing something? I very much doubt that Shaid.

The bottom line is untill you can prove to me your God exists then I will keep believing he dosen't.

Shaid

I think you'll find more reverts than 'born' Muslims on the forum. Then again if you refuse to educate yourself and discuss your theory out with those Muslims who will actually give you time then you are the one who is showing weakness not them. Funny how you atheists don't like to be judged yet you are well, you know the rest.

You are entitled to your beliefs which i will accept, well at the end of the day what do i care what you believe. I have my beliefs which i've evaluated, criticised and decided they are the right ones. Your opinion towards them is irrelevant to me. I don't even know you and even if i did, your beliefs would have no relevance to me whatsoever. That would be until you decide you wanted to try and 'convert' me to your set of beliefs or assert your beliefs over mine.

Oh, i could debate religion with you guys all day but as i've said before. It's the same old regurgitated bull that every atheistic wannabe hero comes out with. In the past when i gave a damn. I would try and educate, be sensible, basically be the good little Muslim boy.

However since i am not very religious and haven't really ever been, my default response nowadays is not Islamic nor is it good Muslim boy. But it gets the message across loud and clear. Of course, that is relying on the assumption that the intended recipient of the message has a level of apt intelligence in order to understand the message. Unfortunately more often than not, the intended message is never really gets deciphered correctly by the seemingly intelligent. How ironic

Good night x

TylerDurden

Why is it? Is there not similarities between the two, for some people?

Both seem to vigorously defend their own point of view.

warrenm2

Yes we got that

The difficulty I see is how you debate with dogma. To have a debate the parties must be willing to be swayed by argument. The fact that religion asserts that you must have faith tells me that logical thinking isnt going to be a strong point, and hence argument is just be who shouts and threatens loudest.

neil-h

Agreed, the usual argument of 'oh well you can't prove god exists' holds no water with me what so ever. It can just as easily be turned round to say 'oh well you can't prove god doesn't exist'.

Shaid

Bla, bla, bla, stop chatting ****. Don't sit here and justify why you can't have a debate when you don't even try. Make as many excuses as you want. You're only kidding yourself. Want debate come along. Want to message your ego, stay here and have it massaged. Pathetic.

dpb

Well, has anybody seen him lately?

JackClark

This is of course being discussed elsewhere. This chap nailed it.

"Being atheist does not make you more intelligent. Being intelligent makes you more likely to be atheist/agnostic."

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

I have not seen the great guy (in fact there are religions where him/her is not to be depicted) curing AID's, poverty, ignorance, bigotry, inequality, selective abortions, world wars, parting seas, lifting mountains or any such miracule type in a long time.

To misquote the film Jerry McGuire "Show me the miracle!".

JackClark

You're not looking hard enough

hodgy0_2

Creation.org <sigh>

Because it is, and to get into an intellectual discussion about it, affords it tacit a level of acceptance it simply does not merit.

Off course I discussed the tooth fairy, unicorns, goblins, mermaids, father christmas and the like with my 4 year old twins, but I would not dream of insulting their intelligence, now they are older, by framing any such discussion outside the context of fairy tales

Atheism is not a belief/faith, - it is like trying to put a label on people who don't believe in goblins

Big-G

Religion has similarities to football.

You support one team or another, some tolerate the other team, some hate the other team.

yabbadoo4

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jesus facepalm........

classic Subaru Si

Spot on.

classic Subaru Si

You can't argue with a sick mind. Your all brainwashed from birth to the grave. How could anyone have a chance of putting a point across on your odd website, without being jumped on and according to yourself, bummed to death

Bubba po

Confirming what I already suspected.