Dave, I never said he does. I am making the point that a number of former F and C immigrants hold UK passports but don't accept our constitution. If they receive a passport they should pledge allegiance to the UK.

 

How many of 'these sorts of incidents' have there been?

 

He didnt say either attacker had a British passport

 

I'm talking about Muslim extremist incidents, of which there have been many, not so much meat cleaver specific incidents.

 

We have a constitution?

 

Well how many of those have there been?

 

Er, seriously? Have you been living on the moon for the past 10 years?

 

Nope

 

its all part of the bigger picture, sadly blair and co firked up, they didn't expect those sort of people would be able to afford to get here, how wrong they where, families club together to send one over and then the rest follow in due course

 

Obviously.

Given that you've been on earth. could you list the 'muslim extremist' incidents that have occured, I'd like you to pay particular attention to those that involve recent immigrants

 

A pluralist culture, equal rights, education for all, democratic and the right to education etc etc.

Or should we ban education, equal rights for women and only believe what "insert a godlike name" says? Oh yer and let scum like these two ******* live for murdering some innocent man?

 

nope he just likes numbers and proof, look up the numbers on the net, post them up and give him something to argue about,strangly the words pedantic and asshat just sprang to mind while typing, i wonder why

 

apparently the security services have previously stopped attacks on uk based soldiers but they havent received much publicity for obvious reasons

One of the people interviewed on newsnight said some young muslims in the UK would be celebrating this attack tonight

 

Or you could just post up unsubstantiated bull****, and call it facts


your choice

Oh by the way, basing an argument and POV on facts is not 'pedantic', it says a lot about you that you think this way.

 

Amongst and including other failures he didn't expect Islamic extremism to extend West Africa

Quite so fast anyway

 

ok i can't be assed to argue but was glasgow airport just a figment of the press's imagination, the london bus bombs as well, what about the bradford pervs or was that all political propaganda as well

 

The arrests of the EDL bombers. Arrests in Cardiff, case on going.

 

What have these got to do with recent immigration? Most of these acts where carried out by second generation immigrants.

Plus I think it's daft to conflate the issues of extremism with the grooming of young girls in Bradford (and many other areas)

BTW I don't know how old you are or how much you really remember, but anyone who calls the attacks of 7/7 in London (in which I was very close to being caught up in) as the 'London Bus bombings' is ignorant of the facts and the causes.

 

Firstly, you dont know me and your quite obviously a keyboard warrior, secondly, How about 7/7? Good enough?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings
Yes, they were home grown, but what about the scum that teaches / trains them, or preaches to them? Scum like this guy......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Qatada
And many others that we don't hear about / are on the watch list that come in from other countries? Plenty more would have come over in the last 10 years, many illegally.

 

Martin, the Culture and the respect for others can be at odds in many aspects of your arguments.

You don't need to be a smart **** to see the connection.

 

Sorry I really don't understand what you mean

 

Incidents like this will no doubt get more frequent, and do-gooders like Martin2005 have blood on their hands IMO. Their naive PC attitude and mindless tolerance is allowing intolerant groups to flourish in this country, and we are now really starting to see the fruits of this.

These mental cases might have even been UK born, but clearly they were acting in the name of islam and had probably been brainwashed in mosques, but hey it's 'only a minority' isn't it? I mean usually they're teaching flower arranging and home economics in mosques right?

It's ironic that we can't now even deport foreign born scum like this because it might infringe their 'human rights'. What about looking at our human rights by having them living amongst us??!

Some people need to wake up and smell the coffee.

 

1st gen 2nd gen whats the differnce, still immigrants, as for the poor maids in bradford it's well documented those immigrants who where caught regards those little girls as white trash who deserve it, so therefore their oppinons/beliefs defy all our logic, ps if you live in london do you remember the song sang in the late 50's sung by eastenders . STARTING WITH, THEY COME OVER HERE COS THEY HEAR OF THE WEALTH. if you do you should now know how true it has become

 

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Yes, you're correct.

The Crime and Disorder Act of 1998.

 

Some people need to wake up and smell the coffee.
i heard farage offered to buy cameron a coffee perhaps you should offer the same to martin

 

But martin, do you not think being tolerant and allowing intolerant groups to flourish and rapidly increase in numbers is an issue? What happens when the intolerant group becomes the majority group?..

 

If they were teaching extremist stuff at mosques i would go more as it's interesting to learn about. Beats Moses done x, Jesus said y, Muhammad said x, anyday. Go to a mosque and see for yourself.

 

cameron could learn a thing or 2 from this womens quote .
I'm not racist in any way shape or form. I'm not against any religion either, people can believe whatever they want to believe, as long as they let others do the same, peacefully. But Im not being funny, England is a Christian country. If you don't like it, tough ****. No amount of extremist behaviour is going to change anybodys mind, in fact all it does is prove how unstable you are. "In our land, women have to witness the same..." We'll guess what, you're not in your land now, you're in ours, and you probably came here to escape the horrors of things like this. Just because your country is messed up it doesn't give you the right to bring ours down to the same level. Go praise Allah in your own ****ing country and kill your own soldiers. Otherwise pipe the **** down and learn some respect. We don't hate you cause you're black/white/Asian/rainbow/anyother****ingcolour. We don't hate you cause you're Muslim/Hindu/Sikh/anyother****ingreligion. We hate you because you think it's acceptable to stand there in the street shouting at a camera, waving a meat cleaver, covered in the blood of a soldier who did nothing to you. He was in the street in his own country wearing a shirt that showed support for his own troops. Again, if you don't like it, don't ****ing live here. Nobody is forcing you to stay. If you were a dog, you'd already have been put down for your behaviour. That would be too good for you.

 

Shaid, yes you probably are right in what you say, I think I'm just extremely angry after todays events.

Martin, apologies for obviously offending earlier.