multipul


thats a new one for me

 

**DO NOT IGNORE A LETTER BEFORE COURT ACTION**

They *WILL* take you to court now.

Normally if you were a legitimate customer with receipts to prove, contact the center manager etc to get the claim quashed.....

However in your case I'm guessing you have no receipts/proof so....

You need to urgently appeal NOW asking for a POPLA code - submit a defence to POPLA using advice from here -

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...80281&posted=1

both money saving & Pepipoo claim a 100% victory with popla using their advice from their forums....

I was/am in the same boat - but I ignored all - including the LBA (letter before action) and am now going through the court process - so be warned - popla is your route here... before it goes too far and involves court action - once that starts you cannot go back to popla.

 

I am sorry to hear about such unfair behaviour of their part Paul

I hope it all comes out on your side in the end.

Les

 

Paul

DO NOT DO NOTHING NOW

They WILL take you to court,
go here www.pepipoo.co.uk
There is loads of advice even at the satge you are at, how do I know ??
because I am awaiting an appeal via POPLA for two tickets from PE

ignoring these is now the WRONG information.

Ian..

 

It seems to be all about speeding.

 

For me Paul, I'm just gonna see what happens next. Part of me wants to say "I'll go to f_ckin prison before you get a penny" and then the wife reminds me that I will probably want sex at some point in the future.

Anyway that said, I am going to do everything I can to avoid them getting a penny. Andy

 

The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive

 

Advice - I get really pi55ed off with these people.
I have had these letters before - services on M62 - letters etc, picture of car entering and leaving service station with time marker over 2 hrs.

I wrote to the company (appeal address on the internet link) and stated that the offense is parking for over 2 hours. I stated that my car did indeed enter at time a) and leave at time b), but I went through the services twice!. First time came in had a brew stayed for an hour, went for a blast down the motorway, came in a second time just to fill up with petrol.
I asked "them to categorically prove that I had parked my car for over 2hrs eg NOT ENTRY and EXIT photos, but a picture of my car parked in a parking bay for more than 2 hours" as they "Could not prove that I had made multiple trips to the services".
Nearly all these companies use entry and exit camera's as they only need 2 cameras, and not full coverage of the car park it's cheaper for them.
Try it and see, they wrote a letter of apology to me.
The "offense" is parking longer than the stated time - so get them to prove it - entry and exit photo's have nothing to do with how long you were parked, just show you traveling through ;-)

 

 

This sounds like a plan actually, I did at one point have to nip home for a file for the meeting (as I live quite close by) and was only gone about ten minutes but as you say the cameras didn't seem to spot this - very conveniently.

 

Wouldn't they have 2 sets of photo's if that was the case?

Just playing devils advocate.

 

If that suits them then I agree BUT it doesn't mean they can be selective

 

2 sets of photo's ?
It doesn't matter - the "proof" is either you rolling over and paying- as this is by default an admission of guilt, or stating in a letter,which I did, "take me to court and prove beyond all reasonable doubt that i was parked for over 2 hrs - not photo's of me arriving and leaving your car park with time stamps on which is an entirely different aspect".

 

Now then JR, I like this.

 

Thanks Andy,
It's a very vague legal area, as you can see from everyone saying "bin the ticket" or "you can't do that now as they take you to court". The point is when in court they have to prove you have committed the offence of PARKING over the time limit. Pretty CCTV pictures of you driving in and out is NOT evidence of you parking - but most people will buckle under the pressure of all their spam letters etc, at which point you will by default admit your guilt. If they have a picture of your car parked for over the time limit your stuffed - but they don't normally do this as it costs too much for them in CCTV camera coverage - so they do it the cheap way CCTV on entrance and exit, send official looking demand/fine.
Put simply it's lazy on their behalf and relies on intimidation which I detest.

 

Me too, and that sounds excellent!

 

At least it's a plan

 

"Beyond reasonable doubt" is the level required for criminal conviction. As parking is a civil offence then the "balance of probabilities" is the required level of proof. Unless you persuade the magistrates that the Parking Companies are deliberately falsifying their records then they may believe that that level of proof has been reached. HTH.

 

I have tried this, lets see what happens.

 

Struggling to understand this part.

If they take your picture on the way in and out, surely they can see you have/haven't made multiple visits.

I would think they treat each in/out as separate event, and apply any not return policy if they have one.

 

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...play.php?f=163


Lots of threads here. Some have been taken to court, ie had a N1 CPC form issued. This is where to court tells you what you owe.

http://www.trustonline.org.uk/unders...what-are-they/

Some info about CCJ's.

Basically if you are issued a Court letter, you can pay in full and no record is kept on the register.

 

Genuine question, has all the stress of having this at the back of your mind over the last 6 months been worth not paying the £60 they initially requested?

No-one really knows how this will pan out as the law was only changed about a year or so ago but I think if it were me and it happened to me today, I would probably pay as I really couldn't be assed with all the threatening letters of court actions, CCJ's and 'what ifs' for the sake of £60

Good luck anyway

 

In summary, what is the grounds for appeal. As I see it, most people, including me, have committed an "offence".

 

The thing that galls me the most is that it is a pure predatory money making exercise at the expense of the motorist.... its nothing more than blatant extortion.

Its a sad world we live in when we allow these sort of rip-off companies to exist.

 

I agree.
We plaster dot-matrix signs everywhere with "Tiredness kills! Take a break".
Then, when you do, they limit the amount of time you can spend and fine you if you overstay?

Yet, over in France, even on FREE motorways, there are LOADS more stops built in, many without any services other than clean toilets, fresh water, picnic tables and parking spaces. You can stay all night if you want.
Their service areas all sell cheap and decent food, great coffee, and a HUGE choice of pre-packed food/drink.
And again, stay as long as you want.

Many of our service areas are filthy and unwelcoming, with little in the way of food, let alone decent.
Look at farthing Corner on the A2/M2...disgusting, underlit, and only a Burger King or Costa Coffee.

The UK is set to milk the criminalised, demonised, cash cow that is the motorist.
Thanks Lying Labour!

 

The appeal process is only an option if it is raised within the `charge notice` payment period but one of the main POPLA winning points is `Charge is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss` as in the charge is more than the physical cost of your overstay, I`m currently going through the process but am complaining to all levels of the retail management with my charm...So hopefully it will be scrapped, The parking eye appeal is already in process within requesting a POPLA reference just incase and the `Genuine Pre-Estimate of cost` will get it dropped anyway

 

Lol

 

Never seen any I wouldn't use.

 

PaulR
Reasons for appeal:
Genuine pre estimate of loss
No contract entered into.

Plus you can try writting to the MD of Welcome Break saying how disgusted you are etc...

 

Agree with everything you say there, As a lorry driver I have to use the services everyday, what gets me with the services, even the likes of McDonalds, Burger King, KFC are more expensive then on the high street, you can pay nearly £2,80 for a small cup of coffee, and even a small bottle of water can cost you £2, its just designed to fleece you of money!!!