£60 fine for staying 2hr 30 minutes at Welcome Break.
13 November 2013, 09:38 AM
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Guys i hav esome bad news for you all..
Because private companies are loosing out by people just avoiding the fine there is now a system in place where the company dont take you to court but use a bulk court system to take multipul people to court at once.
Basicly if you get a letter saying bulk court blah blah pay it!
Because private companies are loosing out by people just avoiding the fine there is now a system in place where the company dont take you to court but use a bulk court system to take multipul people to court at once.
Basicly if you get a letter saying bulk court blah blah pay it!
thats a new one for me
13 November 2013, 12:03 PM
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**DO NOT IGNORE A LETTER BEFORE COURT ACTION**
They *WILL* take you to court now.
Normally if you were a legitimate customer with receipts to prove, contact the center manager etc to get the claim quashed.....
However in your case I'm guessing you have no receipts/proof so....
You need to urgently appeal NOW asking for a POPLA code - submit a defence to POPLA using advice from here -
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...80281&posted=1
both money saving & Pepipoo claim a 100% victory with popla using their advice from their forums....
I was/am in the same boat - but I ignored all - including the LBA (letter before action) and am now going through the court process - so be warned - popla is your route here... before it goes too far and involves court action - once that starts you cannot go back to popla.
They *WILL* take you to court now.
Normally if you were a legitimate customer with receipts to prove, contact the center manager etc to get the claim quashed.....
However in your case I'm guessing you have no receipts/proof so....
You need to urgently appeal NOW asking for a POPLA code - submit a defence to POPLA using advice from here -
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...80281&posted=1
both money saving & Pepipoo claim a 100% victory with popla using their advice from their forums....
I was/am in the same boat - but I ignored all - including the LBA (letter before action) and am now going through the court process - so be warned - popla is your route here... before it goes too far and involves court action - once that starts you cannot go back to popla.
14 November 2013, 06:40 PM
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Paul
DO NOT DO NOTHING NOW
They WILL take you to court,
go here www.pepipoo.co.uk
There is loads of advice even at the satge you are at, how do I know ??
because I am awaiting an appeal via POPLA for two tickets from PE
ignoring these is now the WRONG information.
Ian..
DO NOT DO NOTHING NOW
They WILL take you to court,
go here www.pepipoo.co.uk
There is loads of advice even at the satge you are at, how do I know ??
because I am awaiting an appeal via POPLA for two tickets from PE
ignoring these is now the WRONG information.
Ian..
14 November 2013, 07:02 PM
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For me Paul, I'm just gonna see what happens next. Part of me wants to say "I'll go to f_ckin prison before you get a penny" and then the wife reminds me that I will probably want sex at some point in the future.
Anyway that said, I am going to do everything I can to avoid them getting a penny. Andy
Anyway that said, I am going to do everything I can to avoid them getting a penny. Andy
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Advice - I get really pi55ed off with these people.
I have had these letters before - services on M62 - letters etc, picture of car entering and leaving service station with time marker over 2 hrs.
I wrote to the company (appeal address on the internet link) and stated that the offense is parking for over 2 hours. I stated that my car did indeed enter at time a) and leave at time b), but I went through the services twice!. First time came in had a brew stayed for an hour, went for a blast down the motorway, came in a second time just to fill up with petrol.
I asked "them to categorically prove that I had parked my car for over 2hrs eg NOT ENTRY and EXIT photos, but a picture of my car parked in a parking bay for more than 2 hours" as they "Could not prove that I had made multiple trips to the services".
Nearly all these companies use entry and exit camera's as they only need 2 cameras, and not full coverage of the car park it's cheaper for them.
Try it and see, they wrote a letter of apology to me.
The "offense" is parking longer than the stated time - so get them to prove it - entry and exit photo's have nothing to do with how long you were parked, just show you traveling through ;-)
I have had these letters before - services on M62 - letters etc, picture of car entering and leaving service station with time marker over 2 hrs.
I wrote to the company (appeal address on the internet link) and stated that the offense is parking for over 2 hours. I stated that my car did indeed enter at time a) and leave at time b), but I went through the services twice!. First time came in had a brew stayed for an hour, went for a blast down the motorway, came in a second time just to fill up with petrol.
I asked "them to categorically prove that I had parked my car for over 2hrs eg NOT ENTRY and EXIT photos, but a picture of my car parked in a parking bay for more than 2 hours" as they "Could not prove that I had made multiple trips to the services".
Nearly all these companies use entry and exit camera's as they only need 2 cameras, and not full coverage of the car park it's cheaper for them.
Try it and see, they wrote a letter of apology to me.
The "offense" is parking longer than the stated time - so get them to prove it - entry and exit photo's have nothing to do with how long you were parked, just show you traveling through ;-)
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Advice - I get really pi55ed off with these people.
I have had these letters before - services on M62 - letters etc, picture of car entering and leaving service station with time marker over 2 hrs.
I wrote to the company (appeal address on the internet link) and stated that the offense is parking for over 2 hours. I stated that my car did indeed enter at time a) and leave at time b), but I went through the services twice!. First time came in had a brew stayed for an hour, went for a blast down the motorway, came in a second time just to fill up with petrol.
I asked "them to categorically prove that I had parked my car for over 2hrs eg NOT ENTRY and EXIT photos, but a picture of my car parked in a parking bay for more than 2 hours" as they "Could not prove that I had made multiple trips to the services".
Nearly all these companies use entry and exit camera's as they only need 2 cameras, and not full coverage of the car park it's cheaper for them.
Try it and see, they wrote a letter of apology to me.
The "offense" is parking longer than the stated time - so get them to prove it - entry and exit photo's have nothing to do with how long you were parked, just show you traveling through ;-)
I have had these letters before - services on M62 - letters etc, picture of car entering and leaving service station with time marker over 2 hrs.
I wrote to the company (appeal address on the internet link) and stated that the offense is parking for over 2 hours. I stated that my car did indeed enter at time a) and leave at time b), but I went through the services twice!. First time came in had a brew stayed for an hour, went for a blast down the motorway, came in a second time just to fill up with petrol.
I asked "them to categorically prove that I had parked my car for over 2hrs eg NOT ENTRY and EXIT photos, but a picture of my car parked in a parking bay for more than 2 hours" as they "Could not prove that I had made multiple trips to the services".
Nearly all these companies use entry and exit camera's as they only need 2 cameras, and not full coverage of the car park it's cheaper for them.
Try it and see, they wrote a letter of apology to me.
The "offense" is parking longer than the stated time - so get them to prove it - entry and exit photo's have nothing to do with how long you were parked, just show you traveling through ;-)
15 November 2013, 06:29 PM
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Advice - I get really pi55ed off with these people.
I have had these letters before - services on M62 - letters etc, picture of car entering and leaving service station with time marker over 2 hrs.
I wrote to the company (appeal address on the internet link) and stated that the offense is parking for over 2 hours. I stated that my car did indeed enter at time a) and leave at time b), but I went through the services twice!. First time came in had a brew stayed for an hour, went for a blast down the motorway, came in a second time just to fill up with petrol.
I asked "them to categorically prove that I had parked my car for over 2hrs eg NOT ENTRY and EXIT photos, but a picture of my car parked in a parking bay for more than 2 hours" as they "Could not prove that I had made multiple trips to the services".
Nearly all these companies use entry and exit camera's as they only need 2 cameras, and not full coverage of the car park it's cheaper for them.
Try it and see, they wrote a letter of apology to me.
The "offense" is parking longer than the stated time - so get them to prove it - entry and exit photo's have nothing to do with how long you were parked, just show you traveling through ;-)
I have had these letters before - services on M62 - letters etc, picture of car entering and leaving service station with time marker over 2 hrs.
I wrote to the company (appeal address on the internet link) and stated that the offense is parking for over 2 hours. I stated that my car did indeed enter at time a) and leave at time b), but I went through the services twice!. First time came in had a brew stayed for an hour, went for a blast down the motorway, came in a second time just to fill up with petrol.
I asked "them to categorically prove that I had parked my car for over 2hrs eg NOT ENTRY and EXIT photos, but a picture of my car parked in a parking bay for more than 2 hours" as they "Could not prove that I had made multiple trips to the services".
Nearly all these companies use entry and exit camera's as they only need 2 cameras, and not full coverage of the car park it's cheaper for them.
Try it and see, they wrote a letter of apology to me.
The "offense" is parking longer than the stated time - so get them to prove it - entry and exit photo's have nothing to do with how long you were parked, just show you traveling through ;-)
Just playing devils advocate.
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2 sets of photo's ?
It doesn't matter - the "proof" is either you rolling over and paying- as this is by default an admission of guilt, or stating in a letter,which I did, "take me to court and prove beyond all reasonable doubt that i was parked for over 2 hrs - not photo's of me arriving and leaving your car park with time stamps on which is an entirely different aspect".
It doesn't matter - the "proof" is either you rolling over and paying- as this is by default an admission of guilt, or stating in a letter,which I did, "take me to court and prove beyond all reasonable doubt that i was parked for over 2 hrs - not photo's of me arriving and leaving your car park with time stamps on which is an entirely different aspect".
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Thanks Andy,
It's a very vague legal area, as you can see from everyone saying "bin the ticket" or "you can't do that now as they take you to court". The point is when in court they have to prove you have committed the offence of PARKING over the time limit. Pretty CCTV pictures of you driving in and out is NOT evidence of you parking - but most people will buckle under the pressure of all their spam letters etc, at which point you will by default admit your guilt. If they have a picture of your car parked for over the time limit your stuffed - but they don't normally do this as it costs too much for them in CCTV camera coverage - so they do it the cheap way CCTV on entrance and exit, send official looking demand/fine.
Put simply it's lazy on their behalf and relies on intimidation which I detest.
It's a very vague legal area, as you can see from everyone saying "bin the ticket" or "you can't do that now as they take you to court". The point is when in court they have to prove you have committed the offence of PARKING over the time limit. Pretty CCTV pictures of you driving in and out is NOT evidence of you parking - but most people will buckle under the pressure of all their spam letters etc, at which point you will by default admit your guilt. If they have a picture of your car parked for over the time limit your stuffed - but they don't normally do this as it costs too much for them in CCTV camera coverage - so they do it the cheap way CCTV on entrance and exit, send official looking demand/fine.
Put simply it's lazy on their behalf and relies on intimidation which I detest.
16 November 2013, 11:40 AM
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Thanks Andy,
It's a very vague legal area, as you can see from everyone saying "bin the ticket" or "you can't do that now as they take you to court". The point is when in court they have to prove you have committed the offence of PARKING over the time limit. Pretty CCTV pictures of you driving in and out is NOT evidence of you parking - but most people will buckle under the pressure of all their spam letters etc, at which point you will by default admit your guilt. If they have a picture of your car parked for over the time limit your stuffed - but they don't normally do this as it costs too much for them in CCTV camera coverage - so they do it the cheap way CCTV on entrance and exit, send official looking demand/fine.
Put simply it's lazy on their behalf and relies on intimidation which I detest.
It's a very vague legal area, as you can see from everyone saying "bin the ticket" or "you can't do that now as they take you to court". The point is when in court they have to prove you have committed the offence of PARKING over the time limit. Pretty CCTV pictures of you driving in and out is NOT evidence of you parking - but most people will buckle under the pressure of all their spam letters etc, at which point you will by default admit your guilt. If they have a picture of your car parked for over the time limit your stuffed - but they don't normally do this as it costs too much for them in CCTV camera coverage - so they do it the cheap way CCTV on entrance and exit, send official looking demand/fine.
Put simply it's lazy on their behalf and relies on intimidation which I detest.
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2 sets of photo's ?
It doesn't matter - the "proof" is either you rolling over and paying- as this is by default an admission of guilt, or stating in a letter,which I did, "take me to court and prove beyond all reasonable doubt that i was parked for over 2 hrs - not photo's of me arriving and leaving your car park with time stamps on which is an entirely different aspect".
It doesn't matter - the "proof" is either you rolling over and paying- as this is by default an admission of guilt, or stating in a letter,which I did, "take me to court and prove beyond all reasonable doubt that i was parked for over 2 hrs - not photo's of me arriving and leaving your car park with time stamps on which is an entirely different aspect".
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Advice - I get really pi55ed off with these people.
I have had these letters before - services on M62 - letters etc, picture of car entering and leaving service station with time marker over 2 hrs.
I wrote to the company (appeal address on the internet link) and stated that the offense is parking for over 2 hours. I stated that my car did indeed enter at time a) and leave at time b), but I went through the services twice!. First time came in had a brew stayed for an hour, went for a blast down the motorway, came in a second time just to fill up with petrol.
I asked "them to categorically prove that I had parked my car for over 2hrs eg NOT ENTRY and EXIT photos, but a picture of my car parked in a parking bay for more than 2 hours" as they "Could not prove that I had made multiple trips to the services".
Nearly all these companies use entry and exit camera's as they only need 2 cameras, and not full coverage of the car park it's cheaper for them.
Try it and see, they wrote a letter of apology to me.
The "offense" is parking longer than the stated time - so get them to prove it - entry and exit photo's have nothing to do with how long you were parked, just show you traveling through ;-)
I have had these letters before - services on M62 - letters etc, picture of car entering and leaving service station with time marker over 2 hrs.
I wrote to the company (appeal address on the internet link) and stated that the offense is parking for over 2 hours. I stated that my car did indeed enter at time a) and leave at time b), but I went through the services twice!. First time came in had a brew stayed for an hour, went for a blast down the motorway, came in a second time just to fill up with petrol.
I asked "them to categorically prove that I had parked my car for over 2hrs eg NOT ENTRY and EXIT photos, but a picture of my car parked in a parking bay for more than 2 hours" as they "Could not prove that I had made multiple trips to the services".
Nearly all these companies use entry and exit camera's as they only need 2 cameras, and not full coverage of the car park it's cheaper for them.
Try it and see, they wrote a letter of apology to me.
The "offense" is parking longer than the stated time - so get them to prove it - entry and exit photo's have nothing to do with how long you were parked, just show you traveling through ;-)
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Struggling to understand this part.
If they take your picture on the way in and out, surely they can see you have/haven't made multiple visits.
I would think they treat each in/out as separate event, and apply any not return policy if they have one.
If they take your picture on the way in and out, surely they can see you have/haven't made multiple visits.
I would think they treat each in/out as separate event, and apply any not return policy if they have one.
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http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...play.php?f=163
Lots of threads here. Some have been taken to court, ie had a N1 CPC form issued. This is where to court tells you what you owe.
http://www.trustonline.org.uk/unders...what-are-they/
Some info about CCJ's.
Basically if you are issued a Court letter, you can pay in full and no record is kept on the register.
Lots of threads here. Some have been taken to court, ie had a N1 CPC form issued. This is where to court tells you what you owe.
http://www.trustonline.org.uk/unders...what-are-they/
Some info about CCJ's.
Basically if you are issued a Court letter, you can pay in full and no record is kept on the register.
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Genuine question, has all the stress of having this at the back of your mind over the last 6 months been worth not paying the £60 they initially requested?
No-one really knows how this will pan out as the law was only changed about a year or so ago but I think if it were me and it happened to me today, I would probably pay as I really couldn't be assed with all the threatening letters of court actions, CCJ's and 'what ifs' for the sake of £60
Good luck anyway
No-one really knows how this will pan out as the law was only changed about a year or so ago but I think if it were me and it happened to me today, I would probably pay as I really couldn't be assed with all the threatening letters of court actions, CCJ's and 'what ifs' for the sake of £60
Good luck anyway
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Paul
DO NOT DO NOTHING NOW
They WILL take you to court,
go here www.pepipoo.co.uk
There is loads of advice even at the satge you are at, how do I know ??
because I am awaiting an appeal via POPLA for two tickets from PE
ignoring these is now the WRONG information.
Ian..
DO NOT DO NOTHING NOW
They WILL take you to court,
go here www.pepipoo.co.uk
There is loads of advice even at the satge you are at, how do I know ??
because I am awaiting an appeal via POPLA for two tickets from PE
ignoring these is now the WRONG information.
Ian..
21 November 2013, 01:43 PM
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The thing that galls me the most is that it is a pure predatory money making exercise at the expense of the motorist.... its nothing more than blatant extortion.
Its a sad world we live in when we allow these sort of rip-off companies to exist.
Its a sad world we live in when we allow these sort of rip-off companies to exist.
21 November 2013, 05:25 PM
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I agree.
We plaster dot-matrix signs everywhere with "Tiredness kills! Take a break".
Then, when you do, they limit the amount of time you can spend and fine you if you overstay?
Yet, over in France, even on FREE motorways, there are LOADS more stops built in, many without any services other than clean toilets, fresh water, picnic tables and parking spaces. You can stay all night if you want.
Their service areas all sell cheap and decent food, great coffee, and a HUGE choice of pre-packed food/drink.
And again, stay as long as you want.
Many of our service areas are filthy and unwelcoming, with little in the way of food, let alone decent.
Look at farthing Corner on the A2/M2...disgusting, underlit, and only a Burger King or Costa Coffee.
The UK is set to milk the criminalised, demonised, cash cow that is the motorist.
Thanks Lying Labour!
We plaster dot-matrix signs everywhere with "Tiredness kills! Take a break".
Then, when you do, they limit the amount of time you can spend and fine you if you overstay?
Yet, over in France, even on FREE motorways, there are LOADS more stops built in, many without any services other than clean toilets, fresh water, picnic tables and parking spaces. You can stay all night if you want.
Their service areas all sell cheap and decent food, great coffee, and a HUGE choice of pre-packed food/drink.
And again, stay as long as you want.
Many of our service areas are filthy and unwelcoming, with little in the way of food, let alone decent.
Look at farthing Corner on the A2/M2...disgusting, underlit, and only a Burger King or Costa Coffee.
The UK is set to milk the criminalised, demonised, cash cow that is the motorist.
Thanks Lying Labour!
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22 November 2013, 04:17 PM
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I agree.
We plaster dot-matrix signs everywhere with "Tiredness kills! Take a break".
Then, when you do, they limit the amount of time you can spend and fine you if you overstay?
Yet, over in France, even on FREE motorways, there are LOADS more stops built in, many without any services other than clean toilets, fresh water, picnic tables and parking spaces. You can stay all night if you want.
Their service areas all sell cheap and decent food, great coffee, and a HUGE choice of pre-packed food/drink.
And again, stay as long as you want.
Many of our service areas are filthy and unwelcoming, with little in the way of food, let alone decent.
Look at farthing Corner on the A2/M2...disgusting, underlit, and only a Burger King or Costa Coffee.
The UK is set to milk the criminalised, demonised, cash cow that is the motorist.
Thanks Lying Labour!
We plaster dot-matrix signs everywhere with "Tiredness kills! Take a break".
Then, when you do, they limit the amount of time you can spend and fine you if you overstay?
Yet, over in France, even on FREE motorways, there are LOADS more stops built in, many without any services other than clean toilets, fresh water, picnic tables and parking spaces. You can stay all night if you want.
Their service areas all sell cheap and decent food, great coffee, and a HUGE choice of pre-packed food/drink.
And again, stay as long as you want.
Many of our service areas are filthy and unwelcoming, with little in the way of food, let alone decent.
Look at farthing Corner on the A2/M2...disgusting, underlit, and only a Burger King or Costa Coffee.
The UK is set to milk the criminalised, demonised, cash cow that is the motorist.
Thanks Lying Labour!