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Even assuming issues like PC and racism are at the forefront of the problem here (and that is a huge assumption)...
Have you been asleep at the back?! The Jay report states quite clearly this is the case, that people were afraid to speak up because of fear of being called racist. Oh, and the Casey report said the same thing. So two reports stating it to be the case, and yet you claim it is a "huge assumption"?!
Originally Posted by f1_fan
there is nothing culturally Marxist about the last five years of government whatsoever
wrong, as proved by...
Originally Posted by f1_fan
so why are they and the other associated authorities still happy for this to go unchecked?
because they are culturally Marxist!
Like I said, the evidence of there being a huge problem here, of Muslim rape gangs throughout the country, is becoming so strong it simply cannot be ignored any longer. The Establishment on one hand are telling us of the poor "beautiful" Jihadi John, and the poor victims whom society failed (the 3 girls in Syria), and yet prosecute Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson for raising this very issue (of rapists) and demonising them as "far right", linking them to ***** and implying that they want to shove darkies into ovens. At the same time they continuing to import yet more people at an increasing rate (whilst promising to decrease it), and smear the opposition with propoganda such as 100 days of UKIP, the EU program on BBC4 and paid trolls lurking on BBs. Truth has become a dirty word
Sorry Warren but I don't give a **** about any poxy report commissioned by excuse making politicians. The 'I was afraid of being labelled a racist' is the singularly most p1ss poor excuse I have ever heard for people who were just too spineless and uncaring to do something about child abuse irrespective of the race of the perpetrators. As far as I am concerned these people are as guilty as those actually committing the crime. It disgusts me that they can hide behind that excuse and think they can get away with it... and of course as Rotherham is proving... they will!
As for being culturally Marxist I disagree that the term Marxist is the correct one here especially when applied to Cameron's mob. To me it is about it all being too much trouble to do anything about while their gravy train is rolling along the track. If we had just one senior politician that genuinely gave a damn about this country in the last 30 years we wouldn't be facing this and a lot of other issues!
That said I think we both share the same disgust for what has happened in these cases even if we don;t agree on the reasons why. I also think we both share a level of exasperation that very little will actually be done to prevent it happening again and again!
OK, I agree that the council and police officials concerned have completely failed and should be prosecuted. The other stuff is a little bit about semantics and not that germane to the central point so will move on.
Interestingly, it's been the case for many years that failure to report financial irregularities of accounts that could be money laundering, funding for terrorism, proceeds of crime, is itself an offence carrying steep penalties...
But, willfully ignoring your responsibilities to actual human people (not just children, anyone) who are being exploited and at serious threat of harm is not an offense.
Shows what society considers more important I guess.
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Interestingly, it's been the case for many years that failure to report financial irregularities of accounts that could be money laundering, funding for terrorism, proceeds of crime, is itself an offence carrying steep penalties...
But, willfully ignoring your responsibilities to actual human people (not just children, anyone) who are being exploited and at serious threat of harm is not an offense.
Shows what society considers more important I guess.
You could be right, but to some extent it was probably always believed that the former would be far more likely to actually happen than the latter, so only one of the two needed legislating about.
Whilst i agree that the males at the centre of this are abhorrent and need prosecuting - a lot of the youths in care (often in care homes) are putting themselves in danger on a regular basis. Most don't declare what they are up to and refuse to cooperate with any help and support agencies when offered.
The care homes are not prisons and can not prevent any of its residents from having a life outside the premises and can not physically stop them from going out. All they can do is impress on them that they have to be back at a certain time. If not they are reported as missing to police and usually return of their won accord the next day.
None say where they have been or what they have been upto although its a belief they will have been at risk of sexual exploitation. I don't think its as easy as just blaming the care system or the police for what is happening, unless you want the whole system overhauling and make the care homes more like prisons or allow police to do random checks in people's houses to ensure nothing untoward is happening.
I think you miss the point slightly there Felix. I for one am not blaming the authorities for the trouble these kids get mixed up in, but I do blame them when these kids go to them seeking help and they do nothing.
Had they done something earlier when the first kids reported what was happening to them, who knows how many others would not have been exploited.
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Do you think the internet has significantly increased child abuse?
No I don't, but it has changed the modus operandi of some of these people. On the one hand I think it has made it easier for paedophiles to communicate with likeminded individuals and to share their filth. It means that some are more organised than they might have been 20 years ago, but I think it has also led to them becoming more exposed and more traceable.
I also think that the Internet has made us all able to communicate a lot more than we once did, the way news is reported has changed and social media has led to the the media organisations of old being bypassed a lot of the time. With this increase in communication comes the apparent increase in crimes such as paedophilia, but I think it is just the way it appears combined with the fact more are getting caught these days than 20 or 30 years ago in part due to the Internet.
There has also been a culture change as far as child abuse goes, just look at how many of these celebrities from the 70s who are now getting exposed for having sex with under age girls citing it was the way it was back then (I am not including the likes of Savile or Hall in this group asa they are clearly in a different league). That sort of behaviour is no longer even remotely acceptable whereas back then it was all brushed under the carpet. This has again made it seem like more child abuse is happening today, but I think it is just less accepted than it once was thankfully.
So in many ways the Internet has been a double edged sword where paedophilia is concerned, but I don't think all other things being equal it is on the increase. I hope not anyway.
The mental processes that are necessary for such depraved acts to happen are (thankfully) beyond the comprehension of most people. How can we ever make right the wrong that has been done to their victims?
These monsters should never see the light of day again.
as I said in a previous thread - I often find it interesting the topics and news stories that are not posted
I think the reason it's less intensely discussed than say the muslim rings is that it is plain and clear what it is - a bunch of sick 'men' doing frankly inhumane things. There is nothing to debate. It is not posted as a thread. It's just disgusting.
Whereas with the latter, quite often there are several issues going on at the same time, often with elephants in the room, cultural difference, race, political correctness, politics, which are all just as ugly as the initial crime itself and often closed for debate by the media, but of public interest nonetheless.
I think the reason it's less intensely discussed than say the muslim rings is that it is plain and clear what it is - a bunch of sick 'men' doing frankly inhumane things. There is nothing to debate. It is not posted as a thread. It's just disgusting.
Whereas with the latter, quite often there are several issues going on at the same time, often with elephants in the room, cultural difference, race, political correctness, politics, which are all just as ugly as the initial crime itself and often closed for debate by the media, but of public interest nonetheless.
Sorry, but that's BS. It's just a stick to be racist with frankly and detracts from the fact that regardless of race these crimes are abhorrent. Tying them to race or creed actually comes across as an attempt to somehow make their crime seem less serious, deflecting the blame partially onto upbringing, culture etc. Not on in my book, a paedophile is a paedophile and I care not whether they are white, black or whatever!
I think the reason it's less intensely discussed than say the muslim rings is that it is plain and clear what it is - a bunch of sick 'men' doing frankly inhumane things. There is nothing to debate. It is not posted as a thread. It's just disgusting.
Whereas with the latter, quite often there are several issues going on at the same time, often with elephants in the room, cultural difference, race, political correctness, politics, which are all just as ugly as the initial crime itself and often closed for debate by the media, but of public interest nonetheless.
yes, I would like to think that
however, for that to be true and by extension for me to accept your reasoning, one would have to accept that had those faces posted earlier, by me, all been for want of a better word "muslim"
no thread (such as Muslims commit Baby Rape) would have been created
I find that hard to accept tbh, sorry
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however, for that to be true and by extension for me to accept your reasoning, one would have to accept that had those faces posted earlier, by me, all been for want of a better word "muslim"
no thread (such as Muslims commit Baby Rape) would have been created
I find that hard to accept tbh, sorry
I don't really want to get into hypotheticals regarding such serious crimes, but had the purpotrators been muslim and the victims white, then yes I expect you would have been correct.
She's just another anti-white/indigenous politician.
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Congrats to the newly elected #Conservative MPs. This new less pale and less male group is the future! Real progress
Police to be taken off the beat in Leeds and West Yorks declares my local rag tonight. Could this to be to aid Labour in turning a blind eye to the Muslim grooming epidemic?
Just thought I'd bring this thread up to date. Another 6 months and more "groups" of men. Some are older stories I missed before, and one bang up to date.
02 March 2015, 01:01 PM
