View Poll Results: Who will you vote for in the local elections
Conservative
18
26.47%
Labour
4
5.88%
Lib Dem
1
1.47%
UKIP
37
54.41%
Green
2
2.94%
BNP
3
4.41%
Other
3
4.41%
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Local election voting intentions
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Oh look, trust in the EU falls to a record low!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ecord-low.html
And it's hardly a surprise the EU is distrusted when Barrosso is claiming that a Federal Europe is only a few years away. So much distrust for the EU, yet they want to continue ignoring it. Hey, Martin. Here's some evidence for you.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...l-Barroso.html
Eurobarometer, the EU’s polling organisation, questioned people from Germany, France, Britain, Italy, Spain, and Poland and found that Euroscepticism has grown dramatically since 2007 as leaders struggle to deal with the union’s worst ever crisis.
After three years of financial and debt crises, currency concerns, austerity measures, bailouts and fears of surrounding the surrender of powers to Brussels, feelings of mistrust have tripled in certain member states.
In five of the six countries polled mistrust heavily outweighed trust. This is in sharp contrast to 2007, when in all countries apart from Britain the opposite was true.
After three years of financial and debt crises, currency concerns, austerity measures, bailouts and fears of surrounding the surrender of powers to Brussels, feelings of mistrust have tripled in certain member states.
In five of the six countries polled mistrust heavily outweighed trust. This is in sharp contrast to 2007, when in all countries apart from Britain the opposite was true.
I still wonder why all the politicians seem to favour us remaining in the Eu. It is difficult not to imagine that the commissioners have made some promises of some kind to them if they manage to con us into joining an Eu Federation.
We are all being taken for a ride in my opinion!
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We are all being taken for a ride in my opinion!
Les
Federal Europe will be 'a reality in a few years', says Jose Manuel Barroso.
The commission president's argument is that as the eurozone adopts federalist structures on fiscal and economic policy, supported by Britain as necessary for financial stability, there will also be a need for political structures that will fundamentally change the way the EU works.
"Further economic integration would transcend the limits of the intergovernmental method of running the EU and the eurozone in particular," Mr Barroso said.
The commission president's argument is that as the eurozone adopts federalist structures on fiscal and economic policy, supported by Britain as necessary for financial stability, there will also be a need for political structures that will fundamentally change the way the EU works.
"Further economic integration would transcend the limits of the intergovernmental method of running the EU and the eurozone in particular," Mr Barroso said.
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And it's hardly a surprise the EU is distrusted when Barrosso is claiming that a Federal Europe is only a few years away. So much distrust for the EU, yet they want to continue ignoring it. Hey, Martin. Here's some evidence for you.
On the point made in the Telegraph article; I would of thought the the Anti-Euro folk would be pleased as this kind of change would require treaty changes, and therefore automatically trigger a referendum here.
God politicians are such insufferable smug *****..... last night on the news the chairman of the Tory Party, Grant Shapps, declared if the people of the UK want a referundum then they will have to vote us in at the next electon and that is the only way it will happen.... then gave that stupid smile that politicians seem to specialise in. Their desire to bribe the electorate will be their undoing hopefully!
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God politicians are such unsufferable smug *****..... last night on the news the chairman of the Tory Party, Grant Shapps, declared if the people of the UK want a referundum then they will have to vote us in at the next electon and that is the only way it will happen.... then gave that stupid smile that politicians seem to specialise in. Their desire to bribe the electorate will be their undoing hopefully!
This is getting quite fun now, not enjoyed politics so much for a long time 
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But you keep on saying we have 'uncontrolled immigration' if that's true then you clearly don't believe we have any illegal immigrants in the country. Now that would be a surprise revelation
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Yes it is controlled in that there are laws around immigration, but we do not have full oversight over our own borders - they are dictated to us, i.e. it is out of our control, not in control, uncontrolled. It's really not that hard to grasp!
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I think I grasp it perfectly well It's Warren who seems to be slightly slow on this one
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That's going to be a problem as he already has no *****.... (Well there is Ed, and he is a huge **** so....)
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Nobody favours uncontrolled immigration, but we have never had an 'uncontrolled' system..a badly controlled system, yes, I agree.
But you keep on saying we have 'uncontrolled immigration' if that's true then you clearly don't believe we have any illegal immigrants in the country. Now that would be a surprise revelation
But you keep on saying we have 'uncontrolled immigration' if that's true then you clearly don't believe we have any illegal immigrants in the country. Now that would be a surprise revelation
More or less what your heroes did when they were in power?
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Yes Les that's exactly what I'm in favour of
By badly controlled I suppose you mean that it is acceptible to open the borders and allow anyone to enter the country being careful to ensure that they are supplied with free accommodation and hand out money as well all paid for by the taxpayers.
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The Tory Party is imploding, they won't win the next election, therefore no referendum.
Its all hogwash, over 1% of government spending and some misguided notion "we are being controlled by Brussels".
I predict the next government will be a Lib-Lab coalition. 4:1 on Paddy Power.
I said it here first.
Its all hogwash, over 1% of government spending and some misguided notion "we are being controlled by Brussels".
I predict the next government will be a Lib-Lab coalition. 4:1 on Paddy Power.
I said it here first.
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That's true that is the headline figure, however like Bastiat's broken window fallacy, you are only looking at one side of the issue. The hidden cost is much higher, see this which puts the real figure at about 10%
Sorry but the only one misguided here is you. The EU has "competencies" of vast swathes of our society but it is kept deliberately low key. All regulation on fishing, postal services, agriculture and food safety to name just the first ones that came into my head, are all controlled by the EU. The UK ministers have no say on them at all and are merely figureheads
Certainly possible...
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You missed out the 'even' from my original statement. Hopefully that you help you understand.
Broadly what I meant (although I cannot believe it's that hard to understand) whilst Farage is the standard bearer for anti-EU sentiment, the thought of him as PM would be too much for the average Tory to stomach, especially given some of UKIP more cranky policy ideas, not to mention our standing abroad.
Broadly what I meant (although I cannot believe it's that hard to understand) whilst Farage is the standard bearer for anti-EU sentiment, the thought of him as PM would be too much for the average Tory to stomach, especially given some of UKIP more cranky policy ideas, not to mention our standing abroad.
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You missed out the 'even' from my original statement. Hopefully that you help you understand.
Broadly what I meant (although I cannot believe it's that hard to understand) whilst Farage is the standard bearer for anti-EU sentiment, the thought of him as PM would be too much for the average Tory to stomach, especially given some of UKIP more cranky policy ideas, not to mention our standing abroad.
Broadly what I meant (although I cannot believe it's that hard to understand) whilst Farage is the standard bearer for anti-EU sentiment, the thought of him as PM would be too much for the average Tory to stomach, especially given some of UKIP more cranky policy ideas, not to mention our standing abroad.
"Hopefully that you help you understand." Hardly surprising it is difficult to understand what you mean!
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Actually just seen this, an interesting debate today with Peter Bone, the guy forcing the current referendum debate and Nigel Farage, indicating there may be a joint UKIP-Conservative candidate in some areas. Interesting development.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22511703
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22511703
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I'd guess David Davis to be one of the first to jump ship. I've had the odd bit of correspondence with him over several matters and he seems to be increasingly singing from the UKIP hymn sheet. So long as he could retain his seat, I've no doubt that he'd quite happily stick the knife in to DC.
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I think it's the most important question in this country's politics. Who runs the country? Of course we should simply leave and get on with running our own show, then everyone will be happy. Apart from the bureaucrats. And the MEPs. And all the other useless hangers on. So a double result!