nyscooby

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I think your all a little disillusioned if you think the police have rights of access and arrest based on public respect....

An annoying Manc he was but he was within his rights...... you may have noticed the police could not and did not arrest him.


If they had probable cause or a warrant they would have taken him into custody.

nyscooby

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Gas him in the face........ you moron..... YOU are whats wrong with society!!

He could have been a student, a doctor, a father....... but he had a "scanky accent"

Embarrassing....

BULLITT

From reading info on this vid it would appear that a member of the public called the police because he was doing burnouts or donuts, he'd stopped just before they arrived. It would seem from that that he did it just to get the police there so he could make this vid, he could've driven away after 3minutes, he'd proven his point but he just to provoke the situation. The guy isn't a hero, or funny, he's just a d1ck.

Sorry but if you're doing nothing wrong then the police won't bother you, if he's getting pulled so much as he and many other vids like this say then they are giving the police a reason to pull them.

I've been on the receiving end of the police bullying myself when I had my classic Impreza, I was threatened by them saying they would confiscate my car and have the registration "cancelled" because I didn't have Uk oblong reg plates on. The car was an import and had totally legal MOT approved 13" x 7" plates. All I did was let them say what they wanted to, informed them that I would report it to the PCC. it didn't phase them but i did and the local Sgt contacted me, came to my house, looked at the car and both him and his partner said it was 100% legal.

After giving him a description of the two officers involved he knew who they were and would deal with them. i later found out from a Police officer friend that the Sgt had had them removed from traffic duty and sent to different stations further from their homes. It wasn't the first time they'd done it so this time they were punished.

Ive even been pulled for "being out late" in my Impreza with the officers statement that usually when cars like Imprezas are out at night the drivers are up to no good... yep, i was confused by this too, after quizzing him on what he meant he apologised for what he said BUT I was glad he did pull me over. Why? Because to me it showed that they were looking out. If my car had been stolen, I wouldn't have known until the morning by which time it'd have been long gone. I'd rather get pulled over and be 100% legit than them not bother and it could possibly be freshly stolen.

Yes some of them do have God complex and try to be bullies but in my experience if your straight with them they'll be fine with you and if they're not then there's ways and means to handle it. Recording a potentially bad situation is ideal but there's no need to be insulting about it.

It does make me laugh reading some people's replies on here about the police, call them all the names you want, they'll still be the first ones you call when something goes wrong.

Kwik

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I think that we'd all phone the police if a crime was committed but mainly for a crime reference number than a solution.
In a way I don't particularly blame the officer(s) concerned its about the society we live in. One part of society is so frightened of having incorrect lettering on their number plate, the other half couldn't give a **** as they most cases never make it to court or just resort to a fine.

I don't think the idea of being a police officer is to clean our streets and protect the innocent any more. I think they are out to meet targets.

This video I think shows that the police are also scared witless by laws and sub-sections, of complaints and the possibility of being sued. If this chap was breaking the law, then its another example of the law protecting the criminal.

Paullen

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Nail on the head there for me.

Ive had a few break ins, no visit from the police, just a number.

Years ago I watched a kid put a brick through my back window, caught him, dragging him back...found not guilty in court!

Criminals just arent bothered about the police/laws/etc

Funny though, when we had a couple of chainsaws stolen and went out after them, we had several cars and the chopper out!

We had a nice local car club meet, all organised in a pub car park, table booked, all organised with the landlord. An officer turned up, strutted around asking if we had permission to be there? No hello's, no friendly chat. Had he been polite we'd have welcomed him along and had a chat, as it was he got laughed at. Thumbs in his vest, chest puffed out, comical. Shame how a few/many let the side down, there are some dedicated coppers out there.

Felix.

If they were called to him for driving like a plank, then the police had more than reasonable excuse to stop him...

Because of his manner of driving, they can do things like request a breath test off him in which he will need to get out of his car. If he refuses, he can be arrested. If he resists that arrest then he can be ‘dragged’ out his car.

They also need to know his details, so that we can establish if he is eligible and insured to drive. If he refuses, he can again be arrested.

They can check his car to make sure its roadworthy and will hence need to get in the car to checks its brakes etc

Not sure why the police started saying things like ‘he’s making off...’ as there was no need

alcazar

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I wouldn't bother now, unless I needed a crime number.

Otherwise, I'd deal with it myself.

Felix.

The ‘police posts’ have been done to death I think on here over the years. I’m not sure what sort of solutions people are wanting after crimes.

Some crimes can not be detected, i.e the suspects can not be identified and we do not know who they are if they have left no evidence there. I’m not sure why the courts did not prosecute the lad for smashing the window as it seems obvious that the police and CPS thought there was enough evidence to prove it – but that’s what sometimes happens at court

We work with limited resources at the best of times. Sometimes we have units free to respond to things as they happen, but other times we are all tied up and can not get to the next call especially if it’s not deemed as an emergency. A lot of the time, the calls do not get passed out across the airwaves and a decision by the communication centre holds the job for the next day.

Our numbers on the shifts have plummeted in recent times and with the cuts imposed, we are not recruiting for some years.

Felix.

And how are you going to 'deal with it yourself' then......

Boro

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The Police sounds like your ideal profession, you should join up!

Boro

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This video to me only shows one thing. The POLICE don't know the LAW.

And I doubt this is an isolated case. I would put big money on most police not feeling they need to know the law because they feel their uniform gives them the right to make it up as they go along because the public know even less than they do.

Knowledge is power after all.

The other thing that this guy did right (depending on your view), was be more aggressive than them. That's a tactic they are taught to transfer the balance of power.

As for him handbraking, donuting, etc. Where's the proof? Innocent until proven guilty?

If they had proof or knew the law, this could have been dealt with properly. As it was, they either didn't have any evidence and definitely didn't know the law.

Fair play to the guy. If you don't need to exit your vehicle for a Road Traffic offence to be dealt with, why were they so keen to get him out?

Kwik

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That's the problem, that's not good enough. I'm not saying that is down to the police, but the system the police belong to.


If I called for an ambulance or a fire engine would I be waiting until the next day?. Personally I think a break in is more important than a couple of drunks smashing the crap out of each other. More drunks will be fighting the next night, if the police have nothing better to do then they can sit and wait outside the pubs/clubs. However sitting outside a club will probably earn 10 arrests a night, attending burglaries probably rarely results in an immediate arrest and the homeowner probably expects some level of presence, more than 5 minutes to feel safe and secure in their home.
The police/governing body need to wise up and realise they are not exempt from customer service.

If the general public had a better opinion of the police then they wouldn't elect a government who's policy was to make cuts in the police force.
I have on many occasions considered a career in the police, but am frustrated enough in the job I am already in, and get in enough trouble going against the herd as it is.
I'd imagine I'd come home even worse if I were in the police, until the point where I'd give up and treat it as a regular 9-5 job instead of thinking I was responsible for the future of my country or able to make a difference.

The whole system needs a complete reform, until then the police are the only faces the public see and the only people we get to speak to. Maybe the police should understand that before they waste an hour of my time, holding up traffic over a £2.99 bulb from Halfords.

Tidgy

i think most folks are disalusioned with police (prob due to media to some extent). they spend thousands on speed cameras and daft things like 57 in a 50 zone (dont say they dont cos mate has points to prove it), when that money could be spent on extra officers and solve two problems with one stone, less anoying pointless charges where ther not needed and more officers on the beat to help the police respond to proper crimes as mentioned above.

The individual officers are normaly fine, you get the odd cockend which is pretty normal in all walks of life, but policy has had a big affect on the general public loosing respect for them as a force.

stipete75

The thing is in the 50s and 60s the police were good public servants that we could trust,now adays all they are there for is revenue,,her majestys revenue inspectors for the big corporations.
I reckon when they are off duty they probably nice ppl but as soon as they put that very **** like black costume on they think they are above the law and better than everybody else.
The real criminals that need arresting are the politicians and the bankers not someone who does 35 in a 30 or has the wrong sized number plate!
The whole country is a lie that unfortunately 99% of the country believe!!
The police enforce these lies!
I have no respect for the police the politicians or the banks and never will,,they are all corrupt!!
YouTube
The love police or everything's ok. Loads of info

stipete75

Also if a law hasn't been broken then the police have no right to stop you let alone ask you to exit vehicle or ask for your details,you are not obliged to tell them anything.

Felix.

Where are you getting this from....

Something has obviously alerted them to his car doing doughnuts or handbrake turns (either observing it themselves or a witness has seen it). This will be careless if not dangerous driving; ergo they have reasonable suspicion that the law has been broken.

The police have the right to establish who is driving the car at any given point so you can be stopped, in this case a moving traffic offence can and should require a breath test to establish that the driver is not drunk. So he should have gotten out of the car in order to comply with this. Failing to comply with a breath test when required to do so is arrestable.

If you also think that the police in the 50’s and 60’s was more effective and not corrupt then I think you are sadly mistaken. Crime now is at its lowest level than it’s ever been and recent reviews of the miners’ strike tends to show that policing then was a free-for-all at best.

And what revenue do we collect.... you mean fines for motorists who can’t stick to the rules of the road; or can’t except the risk that if they speed and get caught they will be fined

Most of the fines are dished out by traffic police which only makes up a small percentage of total police. You will find most police are either neighbourhood police or emergency response who will never touch traffic offences.

Kwik

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He wasn't told about the offence, nor was he asked to provide a breath test.

Felix.

So how come this failed at court then, were you there and gave evidence, as the CPS should have told you why it got NFA’d




It will depend on where they are, ambulances you can wait ages for, the same is true for fire engines if they are at another call. But remember that these only respond to ‘emergency calls’. If we are comparing emergency response times, then I think our local police is 7 minutes which is not bad. If called to the same incident, we will usually beat both fire and ambulance to their calls and we are classed as first responders to ambulance in most cases. But then ambulance and fire won’t respond to ‘kids playing football in the streets’ domestics’ ‘missing from homes’ harassment by facebook’ or deal with the previous shifts handovers etc etc....
You may well see a panda parked up around the town, but we need to cover the town centre if it’s busy, most violent assaults will happen there and we need to show a presence to prevent it. It does not show that they area another 10 panda cars out on the estates....
Yes break ins should have a quick response, but if the cars are tied up with other emergencies, then they will have to go on a queuing system with the most important calls first – do you know of another way.....



I don’t think this is why the government was voted in and all public sector is being hit hard. They are trying to change the way the police is run but we still have to follow the laws of the land and the procedures set down by PACE, Europe etc etc.

If you can think of a better way to do things, then I am all ears..

Felix.

I know this and he should have been. Or at least it should have been considered as an option for them. I'm not saying that all officers get everything right all the time.

But to say that this lad was perfectly right in thinking he can not be stopped or asked to get out of his vehicle lawfully is wrong.

Boro

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Show me the law which states he is legally obliged to get out of the vehicle for this specific offence?

Kwik

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You'd have to ask the person who originally posted, but given the fact you weren't that shocked shows it's quite common.



I would expect a panda car to beat an ambulance and fire truck.

Violent assaults happen outside pubs/clubs whether there is a police presence or not. Drunks are just easy targets. I'd rather you put the drunk down and patrol my street. I learnt more from a fat lip and black eye than I ever did from spending the night on a blue mat. I stopped going into town as I was sick of getting into, or pulling people out of fights.
How much time is spent on shop lifters, alcoholics and repeat offenders?. If these criminals were given longer sentences that would free up more of your time would it not?. If the traffic police were scaled down and moved into beating the pavement, wouldn't that increase the presence in the neighbourhood of local bobbies?. Couldn't an ANPR camera do the job of 10 panda cars?. I doubt any member of the public would sympathize with someone driving without an MOT or insurance.

I'm not saying this is why the present government is in power, I'm saying that if the general public felt strongly that they could trust the police they would strongly oppose their numbers being cut.
Listening would be a good start, common sense the other. If one department is too busy to attend break in's and another are picking on petty things like number plate lettering there is an obvious imbalance.

Felix.

PACE 1, will give us a power to search his vehicle

RTA, will give us a power to check to roadworthiness of the vehicle, which can not be done if he is sat in it

Kwik

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Isn't RTA a Road Traffic Accident?

Truss

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Felix. what do you think of the way the situation was handled in this video? I dont know what your role is, but my brother is a Sargeant and has dealt with traffic related stuff frequently. He had an opinion, and he didn't side with the police.

RA Dunk

I don't care who told you this or where you got the stat from or even who did the ******* survey which gave this result, I don't believe a word of it.

I just cannot see how crime is falling in this country TBH. either that or people are simply not reporting it.

Kwik

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There's a survey out today that states, as a percentage per 100,000 people crime x has dropped in the past 10 years. It fails to mention how that percentage compares to the rise in population. I'd imagine as its presented like that, crime has actually risen.

RA Dunk

Exactly, thats the problem with stats and such they can be doctored and manipulated to give the desired result, a bit like our national debt and the deficit they keep telling us about.

I like to go around with my eyes open and I can't see how on earth crime is down, never in a million ******* years.

Boro

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LIE.

So, for a Road Traffic Offence, a constable has NO right to search a vehicle.

Felix.

Look up PACE:

A Police Officer carries powers to search any person or vehicle (inside and outside) in any place where the public have access, however this does not apply to the person's dwelling.




I didn't say it gives us a power to search, but he will have to get out of the car whilst it is checked. From memory i think its section 68 RTA gives an officer a power to perform a roadworthiness check of a motor vehicle

Felix.

The police did not handle the situation very well at all. They had a report of a dangerous driver and a witness who has identified the vehicle. There were all sorts of options open to them which they did not take and just allowed him to drive off.