stipete75

C'mon let's be honest here,the police do do random stop checks based on colour, based on how they are dressed,many non illegal reasons,it's an invision of privacy and actually if you think about it you the police are breaking your own laws by causing distress to a member of the public.

but you would,,because you would be told to,even knowing what your doing is not right you would still do it!!!

as previously mentioned you do seem a descent guy who is one of the minority that doesn't think wearing the badge makes him above the law,,it's the few bad eggs that give all of you a bad name, it's just the way of life,unfortunately the general public will never like the police and their god like ways.

Felix.

Indeed I am and I fully understand that there are always bad apples in every walk of life and there are ways and means of talking to people at all levels of the spectrum (victims, suspects, out & out criminals) and courtesy and politeness cost nothing.

I suggest that that if the lad is going around trying to wind police up so he can post stuff on youtube, then he wouldn’t upload the ones where he is treat well.

All of the law is a grey area – take theft (dishonestly appropriate property belonging to another with the intention to deprive the other of it). What seems fairly conclusive is not when it gets down to the defence, excuses and case law surrounding each incident. A simple shop theft can be lost on a technicality through no fault of anyone’s

On your example, yes people do make malicious calls, and if it can be proven to be malicious they can be prosecuted for it. But we have to start somewhere – and if a call is made it should be investigated (and the initial account challenged). At best it will be one word against another to start off with, but afterwards is where we begin to carry out the investigation. Check CCTV, officers observations (the car might have been stone cold) other witnesses (house to house). Even circumstantial evidence can play its part. (how about only one skid mark found at the scene and his car found to have a defective break on one side). If there is sufficient evidence accumulated, then CPS will continue the case to court who will ultimately decide guilt.

Felix.

I’m sure they do, and yes if they have no reason to do so then it’s an illegal search. If it’s happened to you, then you should complain.

As before, no one can force me to search someone. If I don’t think there are sufficient grounds then I won’t do it. We have a communications centre that directs us all to various jobs and they have uplinks to CCTV which they will watch. I’ve had it before where they will say things like “ that lad needs arresting” or “that lad needs searching”; to which I will reply – ‘well you come and do it then’

tubbytommy

iTrader: (20)

when i was younger i had respect for the police and i dont mind being pulled over to check my car isnt stollen etc, but what i do object to is them looking for faults to give me a fine for when they realise the car is taxed mot, insured etc, this is where i lose all respect and think they are just being *****.

RA Dunk

hmmmmmmm

stipete75

Haha, definitely the wrong reasons lol
As a terrible teen yeah but who doesn't!
The further away I am from the police the better haha

stipete75

Lol your "reason" I mean for the wrong reasons lol, made myself sound like I am always in trouble with the law then

RA Dunk

I edited, thought you might have been well known to your local Officer Dibble club.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

I can't say the above doesn't go on, as I'm not in the job, but I just want to make a comment about stop and searches and this opposition from some for it. Say either you or a loved one has been mugged in the street and in this hypothetical situation there is a police officer at hand. You/loved one gives a description, and the officer(s) go off to look for this mugger. They come across someone that fits the description, do you want them to stop this person in the hope it is the correct person and your/their possessions are recovered, or would you rather they let them just walk off just in case it was the wrong person? Also, if the situation was slightly reversed and you were stopped under the same circumstances (considering how you'd feel in scenario 1), would you kick off and refuse to cooperate, or would you think that you know you have done nothing wrong, rule yourself out, and let them proceed on their way as quickly as possible, hoping they might still be able to catch the right person, possibly recover property, ultimately helping the public?

Of course there are bad apples, and it would appear from this thread alone, people working/having worked within the police force acknowledge that, and these people should be dealt with, but I think the majority are trying to do the right thing and serve the public. At times that might result in innocent people being stopped, but rather that than all of the police just sit back and do nothing.

I might be in the minority here, but I wouldn't react badly to being stopped if it were explained to me why. I would know I wasn't in the wrong, either I could prove it, or the police couldn't prove otherwise, the only thing I would expect is to be treated with respect in the process. In order to achieve that, I would treat them with the same. I would imagine generally speaking, if people deal with the police in a reasonable manner (and that doesn't mean bow down to them), the same is given back, bad apples excluded. I work in customer services and it is definitely the case that the way someone behaves towards you affects the way you respond, rightly or wrongly, we are all human.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

@ lisa.

In a perfect world that would be fine, problem is the police abuse this right to stop and search, I can't tell you how many times I've been stopped and searched on the street on foot and in a car because I have lost count, and the crap some of them come out with as to the reason for the search is laughable.

I have never been in trouble with the police always worked and had half decent motors and clothes, I'm reasonably well spoken with a bit of an education but I still get the occasional tug to this day.

WHY? is it because I is black.

stonejedi

iTrader: (51)

I think what people need to understand its not a job thing its a personality thing.i have come across proper police officers who know how to do the job fairly but on the other hand i have seen some police do the most cnutish things that you know that they was bullied at school and now they have a bit of power want to abuse there position and get so called revenge on anyone.Im afraid thats life in general and in any and every job and person on this earth,some Good some *****.SJ.

ScoobyWon't

That's probably the second most used phrase after "I know my rights".

Don't you think that that the type of person who enjoys bullying people at school would also enjoy bullying people as an adult?

Then again, those people who were bullies at school are probably wife-beaters as adults.

scunnered

iTrader: (1)

How about police baiting drivers?
Last night I turned on to a straight piece of road and I became aware of a car tailgating me. He was so close I could only see part of his windscreen. I couldn't see his lights as he was only about 3 feet behind me.
I needed to make a right turn, and I thought if I slowed down I'd be hit in the back. I indicated about 5 seconds from my turn. Without altering my constant speed I turned into my street. Next thing I knew the car that had been behind me put on the blue lights. I stopped outside the house of a friend (he's in traffic). These two young boys in police uniform tried to tell me I'd made a dangerous right turn. Of course I explained their close proximity forced me into it. Ian came out his house and introduced himself to these idiots. They told him their story and I told him what really happened. The result, they were very embarrassed and admitted they just wanted to see what an Impreza was like.

scunnered

iTrader: (1)

Here's another one;

I was the victim of mistaken identity twice in the past few years.
One Saturday night, I went out on the motorbike to get some pakora. On my way home, I was pulled over by a traffic car. they asked me who I was where was I going etc. Then another two police cars and a van pulled up. I was put in handcuffs and put in the van. They kept telling me they know what I did and should just admit it and the court might take a more lenient view. Obviously I knew nothing. After about 20 mins of interrogation, the van door opened and the guy said "we've got him, its not him". Then I was let go without even an apology. It seems someone had committed a crime and used a motorcycle. I was riding a motorcycle so they thought it must have been me.
Another time I saw a black Impreza turn into the street I was coming out of. He was in a hurry. Next thing was a Police car pulling me over. As I was opening the door, the guy ran at me and forcibly dragged me out. He informed me he'd been chasing me for the past few miles at speeds in excess of 80mph in a built up area. I told him the car he was after went that way (pointing in the direction). He said pull the other one, it must be have me, how many black Impreza's are there around here. I told him there's 5 that I know of. Anyway, he was all set to arrest me when the car they'd been chasing went by (it had been stolen but the owner was unaware). He just said "right you, on your way", and without an apology drove off after the stolen car.

On both occasions I could very easily have gone to prison for someone else's crime.

stonejedi

iTrader: (51)

exactly what i said if you read it right,its not a police issue its a person issue you can look at any job in the world and you will have decent people in it and right next to him in the same job is a complete ****.thats life.SJ.