Dirk Diggler 75

Tragic ...
The owner must take full responsibility ............

hodgy0_2

the problem is i suspect the "owner" barely takes responsibility for his own life

let alone anyone else’s

Dirk Diggler 75

Well if that is the case justice must get tougher on these people.
The dogs were in his/her care so the blame must lie with the owner,there is no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners..

David Lock

Desperately sad for the girl and her family

Why on earth would someone keep 5 powerful dogs?

Very often on these threads we have some idiot posting a picture of his 10 month old lying next to a powerful dog such as a Bull Terrier with the comment "I trust my dog 100% with my baby". Dogs get spooked just like humans and I don't think you can ever completely take out the wolf genes.

A well trained large dog is a lovely creature and can give a lot of pleasure but it is only a creature.

dl

An0n0m0us

This bullsh!t i'm afraid talking from personal experience.

I have 2 Labrador's, Mother and Son. The mum is 4 years old and has always been the most placid of dogs with people and other dogs. However since having her litter she has turned very aggressive towards other dogs under no provocation what so ever and she is an embarrassment when she turns nasty because it looks like it's my fault. And I don't mean just barking, she goes properly nasty at other dogs to the point I can't let her off the lead unless I know i'm somewhere there are no other dog walkers about.

I have brought her up to be the perfect family pet yet having her litter changed her mentality towards other dogs completely. So as I said above to say that I taught her that behaviour through her upbringing is complete and utter b0ll0cks.

J4CKO

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I love dogs, of any kind and have one (small) one, he is great, we love him to bits and he doesnt present a threat to a grown adult in any significant way, if he goes bat**** I can subdue him, I can control him with plenty to spare, we dont leave him with small kids unspervised, just wants to play but he is a dog, he can get defensive over food so I train that out of him by making him give it up and howing him that I am the boss, no challenge to my authority goes ignored. I wouldnt mind another dog but two would be my limit for the size of house (fairly decent sized 4 bed)

So, why does soemone have a full on pack of large, powerful dogs in a very small house ? why do they have just "tough" breeds, it is, I suspect because they are compensating and a bit mental ?

L.J.F

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I can't understand why someone would need/ want 5 dogs that are aggressive in a house where children live! Now people will start saying its the breed of the dog blah blah blah but its how that dog has been brought up and trained or in most cases not trained that results in these tragic stories obviously there are some dogs that have mentality issues and make them very unpredictable but most of the time its down to sum **** wit allowing or training the dog to be aggressive and then one day something like this happens

bustaMOVEs

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If you read, it's just an extra precation as any dog could snap no matter how well it's trained, (so me as an owner, I take extra precautions as I'm a responsible owner with a large dog)
Although I know my dog wouldn't do anything apart from knock her over with weight as said above.

Please don't try pick something that's not there

fatscoobfella1

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2 Mastiffss and 2 Staffy's..

Wouldnt suprise me if the scumbag owner was breeding them for the money..

Answer is....All dogs and breeders should be registered.The breeders should screen all potential owners,if this gets overlooked and the breeder sells to all and sundry he/she gets 12 months in prison and is banned from owning any kind of animal ever again..

legb4rsk

I just wasn't sure about the risk factor from your post.
Thanks for clearing that up.

bustaMOVEs

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I know my post didn't come across very well.

stonejedi

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I think your getting confusedwith what I wrote,and your statement just proves that you don't know anything about these breeds of dogs or dogs in general,a dog being aggressive to other dogs,or a dog killing a young girl attacking humans is to different things.when you quote someone quote all of what they said and not what you want to use to make free arguments,I'm done.SJ.

druddle

Small ***** syndrome....

cster

I hear the owner was female - so you are bang on the money there mate

cster

Sorry to not use your full quote, but I am not sure I agree with the sentiment of what you are saying here.
Surly a dog that displays aggressive behaviour to other dogs is more likely to do the same with children, Even if you believed otherwise, you'd have to be a bit of an idiot to expose children to such an animal
I am guessing you are a dog owner.

stonejedi

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let me explain myself better,dogs are like wolfs for example they know who is the boss the alpha male and who is in there (pack) if my girls are walking my dog's and someone starts to come close to them they see it as a threat and retaliate like wise if another dog approach's me or my girls barking they retaliate like wise it is in a terrior dogs nature to react and attack threats they were breed to fight and to get rid of vermin,i think what people dont understand is that a terrior dog needs {PROPER TRAINING} and not just a tin of dog food and a little stretch down the road for exercise terrior dogs are not a labrador or a chi hua hua.when a responsible adult buys a dog he should research the history of that certain breed and realize that not all breed of dogs are the same but with care and attention can be TRAINED to have a purpose and be a family dog without fear of attack,nine times out of ten,for a dog to attack someone of his own family the dog had to have some sort of trigger that he reacted to i.e hungry,depressed,abused,teased etc...and plus the fact there was more then one type of terrior/mastiff breed in the house it would of been a frenzied attack,anyway i have nothing more to add i just wish that we were not talking about the death of a girl and will end by saying that the dogs were not trained properly and any responsible owner would not have that much attacking untrained Adult dog breeds in one house it was trouble waiting to happen,and they should be held 100% reponsible for the girls death.SJ.

Luan Pra bang

I personally would say that anyone selling dogs or puppies must be licensed with a ten year sentence for those breaking the rules. Terms of the license should include home visits and an aptitude test for those who want to buy a dog. We had six dogs over the years when I was growing up and every single one the breeder came to the house to meet the family and see the house before we got the dog.
I have heard some horrible stories of how people treat animals and a proper dog licensing system would help both Human and animal victims of cruelty and stupidity.

stonejedi

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Good idea,I think they are bringing something similar to that in April and every dog also has to be chipped.SJ.

stipete75

Obviously what happened to that poor girl is a terrible terrible thing,just awful!
In the past 5 years there have been 7 fatal dog attacks,including a jack Russell mauling a newborn baby!
In the past 5 years speeding police cars have killed many people,around 40 per year
In the past 5 years 50 people have suffocated by their sheets in bed.
In the past 5 years 70 people in the uk have been killed by bees
Thousands in road traffic accidents
Over 100 people falling out the bath in 5 years in the uk.
300 falling from ladders.
7 fatal dog attacks in 5 years in the uk!
All the above awful for any family to deal with.
I would like to point out that fatal dog attacks are indeed infrequent, especially considering the number of dogs that live in close proximity to humans. Dog-bite related human deaths are extremely rare when you look at mortality statistics.*

bottlesofbecks

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopS...ck_858377.html

Different continent same problem

f1_fan

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Have you got any stats on how many domestic cats have killed a human in the last 5 years?

Cats - the pet choice of the intelligent

See you all after Easter

Skoobie Dhu

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My rule of thumb is that regardless of the breed of dog, whoever is left in company of the dog must be able to physically restrain the dog.
I'm not even sure I could protect myself against a pack of 5 powerful dogs, 2 maybe, but any more than 2 and I think the odds are stacked in the dogs favour.

ALi-B

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EFA



Loads.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21236690

ALi-B

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I don't think anyone could handle that many dogs that are out of control, I mean the police had to shoot four of them on site.

The thing is this has caused a load of debate about banning Staffies. I think anyone who has owned a breed of dog with a dodgy reputation will agree that there is nothing wrong with Staffies. But nowadays they are a dog of choice for people who want a "hard" looking status symbol dog. Also the fact they are generally extremely popular breeds anyway.

I recall seeing a program where a vet was destroying (putting to sleep) hundreds of Staffies every month, after they were either dumped/disowned or were taken in by the RSPCA for cruelty/poor living conditions and there wasn't enough space/resources to rehome them. Many of the dogs where fine...just the pound was full and they couldn't be rehomed so tehy ahd to be euthanised. All this due to the owners.

One thing that does annoy me is the current focus on scummy / chavvy owners. The ones that obviously abuse or exert no control over their pets or simply ignorant to pack behaviour. You'd expect these types of people to own a dog that is out of control....much like the children they have too.

The owners of "bad" dogs can be split into two categories (although both idiots): Those mentioned above and the "oh my dog is a sweet little angel" types. I'm talking about owners who treat their dog like a baby/human and thereby "train" them into being uncontrollable and unpredictable. Allowing the dog to become the alpha is bad enough, but also using fuss and attention in the wrong manner can cause serious behaviour issues, causing a nervous or boisterous dog...both are dangerous. And both can be owned by a "normal" family. They don't have to be scum, just naive and stupid.

Why do you think "lap dogs" are so yappy and nippy? Its not the dog...its the typical owners treating them like a baby which causes a multitude of severe behaviour issues (making it nervous and aggressive as well as dominant) aka "small dog syndrome". A dog is unware of its proportion of size in relation to pack members or other dogs (or people). But of course with a small dog, its "aww, how cute blah blah", put put that behaviour into a bigger more powerful dog and its "OMG, that dog breed needs to be banned".

And banninga breed doesn't work...teh idiot owners will just have a different breed and give that a bad reputation too!

to quote Cesar Millan:

Now in the 2010's they blame the Staffy, FFS

My mates Cocker Spainial is credit to this, a seriously f**ked up dog, my mate was working abroad for the year and bought the dog as company for his missus...his missus treated him like a baby (although in fairness I think there may be a issue with how the breeder kept him too as he had severe seperation anxiety as soon as they had him). Now the dog is nuts, suffers severe anxiety and is nervous of anything outside of his domain, so is highly agressive as a result -he has to be muzzled when out in public or when in company of strangers. Such a shame as he "could" be a good dog, but I fear he's now too old to ever be a normal dog. Although when I've looked after him he does seem alot more stable, so maybe there is hope if he were rehomed.

Talking of bad behaviour, I just found my Jack Russell cross mongrel has at some point found my bluetooth dongle, stole it, chewed it and hidden it under the bed

Probably boredom and wanted to play. So yep, thats my fault.

stipete75

The problem is the press jumping on the bandwagon,,BAN STAFFYS!!!
Its a joke!!!
Seriously some people are so narrow minded about the whole dangerous dog thing,they haven't a clue!!
Let's put life in to perspective, the amount of accidental deaths daily is horrendous,,if the press and small minded peeps jumped on the bandwagon with every death I'm 100% sure dog bite fatalities would be 0.000000000000001% of all deaths so you would never hear about it!!
This country is run by morons that only care about revenue, everything's going down hill and fast!

Devildog

Not at all. Dog to dog agression does not necessarily mean dog to human aggression. And vice a versa

ALi-B

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True. It is a oddity that dogs can treat humans differently to other dogs.

Certainly a dog that had been previously attacked by another dog, can be aggressive (agression through fear ) to other dogs, yet be totally placid to humans.

My one Doberman was like this. He was attacked by a GSD when he was a pup, he did improve with age and only socialising him with known other well-tempered/ well socialised dogs, but he was always wary. Pain in the **** when some idiot in the park has a dog off the lead that doesn't respond to recall commands. If a dog wanders out of sight or doesn't respond to commands, it should be on a lead.

stipete75

Found 2 cat related deaths in the past 5 years, both we're newborn babies smothered by the cats!
Bring on the dangerous cat act!

boxst

Sounds like my ex-wife ...

The Trooper 1815

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