old scoobies v modern day cars
Exaxtly £8,650 2 years ago 
And it's worth more than that now so I've lost nothing...In fact I think I've made a bit
Don't forget it's 3 or 4 secs quicker to 100....Anyway why can't it be included in the discussion it's still an STi, It's not fair nobody lets me play...lol.
And it's worth more than that now so I've lost nothing...In fact I think I've made a bit
Don't forget it's 3 or 4 secs quicker to 100....Anyway why can't it be included in the discussion it's still an STi, It's not fair nobody lets me play...lol.
Of course it should 2 owners and 37k on the clock and all invoices from new
I'm sure it hits 60 in 2nd too with having the higher rev limit, must be why it's quicker
I'm sure it hits 60 in 2nd too with having the higher rev limit, must be why it's quicker
Last edited by The Pink Ninja; Mar 4, 2013 at 10:51 AM.
Well all i can say is when i bought my first WRX in 04 i had the cash to buy the STI and took one out and decided it was too harsh for what i wanted it for, which was work, and around 1000 miles a week.
But to be honest with what i know now and my situation now, If they did a same spec STI wagon, then yes i would have one, i'm not stupid.
I just don't like the way the STI fanboys try and ride the WRX, especially in the face of the facts.
The STI is always going to be the better base for mods because it's stronger, but in the real world it's really not a better daily, for me but i like most would put up with the crashy ride and dodgy gearing because i could mod it to 450 bhp and rag the **** off it at the weekend on track.
At the end of the day i'm a subaru fan and the compromise i have to make is that i need a wagon so i run the next best thing, which by an amusing coincidence happens to be faster than a standard STI.
It just makes me p1ss that those that have an STI can't handle that, and spout all sorts to prove otherwise when the numbers speak for themselves, to be fair i knew i'd hook tubbs, was just hoping to get a few others as well, but they are obviously smarter than he is.
edit to add; i never said it was better, just faster in a given situation.
But to be honest with what i know now and my situation now, If they did a same spec STI wagon, then yes i would have one, i'm not stupid.
I just don't like the way the STI fanboys try and ride the WRX, especially in the face of the facts.
The STI is always going to be the better base for mods because it's stronger, but in the real world it's really not a better daily, for me but i like most would put up with the crashy ride and dodgy gearing because i could mod it to 450 bhp and rag the **** off it at the weekend on track.
At the end of the day i'm a subaru fan and the compromise i have to make is that i need a wagon so i run the next best thing, which by an amusing coincidence happens to be faster than a standard STI.
It just makes me p1ss that those that have an STI can't handle that, and spout all sorts to prove otherwise when the numbers speak for themselves, to be fair i knew i'd hook tubbs, was just hoping to get a few others as well, but they are obviously smarter than he is.
edit to add; i never said it was better, just faster in a given situation.
You are correct, from looking at the facts and figures the wrx does just pip the sti to 60 from a standing start.
But does that make it a quicker car, in the real world.
How often do we go from 0 to 60 during our sunday blasts on the b roads, never. Most of the driving is between say 30 and 80 but the biggest factor to consider is braking. The brakes play a massive part in determining a quick road car, with crap brakes (wrx 4 pots for instance) you can't attack the B roads. The STI is only very slightly slower but the brakes are an awful lot better.
To say a wrx is a quicker car because it can get to 60 first is ridiculous, and you know ditch. Your just winding poor old tubs up you horrible bugger ......lol.....
But, facts and figures vary so much. Check my link for instance, this shows different story.
http://www.zeroto60times.com/Subaru-0-60-mph-Times.html
Last edited by MattyB1983; Mar 4, 2013 at 12:33 PM.
It wasn't to start with....Just turned into the usual WRX 'v's STI debate...Will be 10 pages before too long, Was getting a bit boring on here anyway needed something to liven it up a bit
MattyB1983;11012487]You are correct, from looking at the facts and figures the wrx does just pip the sti to 60 from a standing start.
But does that make it a quicker car, in the real world.
But does that make it a quicker car, in the real world.
How often do we go from 0 to 60 during our sunday blasts on the b roads, never. Most of the driving is between say 30 and 80 but the biggest factor to consider is braking. The brakes play a massive part in determining a quick road car, with crap brakes (wrx 4 pots for instance) you can't attack the B roads. The STI is only very slightly slower but the brakes are an awful lot better.
and that's before you factor in the very well documented crashy, harsh suspension that makes them twitchy on UK roads.
To say a wrx is a quicker car because it can get to 60 first is ridiculous, and you know ditch. Your just winding poor old tubs up you horrible bugger ......lol.....
IMO it boils down to a more focused car becomes more of a handful, and the opportunities to use that advantage become less and less, in the real world, you should know this phenomenon from your 400bhp classic.
But, facts and figures vary so much. Check my link for instance, this shows different story.
And yeah i do love a wind up.
Exaxtly £8,650 2 years ago
And it's worth more than that now so I've lost nothing...In fact I think I've made a bit
Don't forget it's 3 or 4 secs quicker to 100....Anyway why can't it be included in the discussion it's still an STi, It's not fair nobody lets me play...lol.
And it's worth more than that now so I've lost nothing...In fact I think I've made a bit
Don't forget it's 3 or 4 secs quicker to 100....Anyway why can't it be included in the discussion it's still an STi, It's not fair nobody lets me play...lol.
Like I said it's more track focused, so to be fair i think you'll have similar problems to me in my type r on the road, can be a bit twitchy going in and quite larey coming out of bends, which is something i like, but it's definitely not the quickest way to get from point A to point B, on track it's a different story though.
And i think it was you that said earlier, how often can you get up to a ton on country lanes or even normal dat to day driving, so again the advantage is very difficult to exploit and the opportunities few and far between.
So in summary; all you STI boys are MUGS and your cars are SLOW.
You got a bargain, well done, and i love what you've done with the wheels.
Like I said it's more track focused, so to be fair i think you'll have similar problems to me in my type r on the road, can be a bit twitchy going in and quite larey coming out of bends, which is something i like, but it's definitely not the quickest way to get from point A to point B, on track it's a different story though.
And i think it was you that said earlier, how often can you get up to a ton on country lanes or even normal dat to day driving, so again the advantage is very difficult to exploit and the opportunities few and far between.
So in summary; all you STI boys are MUGS and your cars are SLOW.
Like I said it's more track focused, so to be fair i think you'll have similar problems to me in my type r on the road, can be a bit twitchy going in and quite larey coming out of bends, which is something i like, but it's definitely not the quickest way to get from point A to point B, on track it's a different story though.
And i think it was you that said earlier, how often can you get up to a ton on country lanes or even normal dat to day driving, so again the advantage is very difficult to exploit and the opportunities few and far between.
So in summary; all you STI boys are MUGS and your cars are SLOW.
Last edited by The Pink Ninja; Mar 4, 2013 at 03:34 PM.
done two track days in my classic slag and yet to be beat by a clio. currently keeping up with m3's n 911's. It is currently a 2.0L TD04 with uprated fuel pump n a remapped z4 ecu. First time out we kicked the ***** of two newage imprezas (surprised)....I was. Had a day at Oulton where we again whipped round without shame. either i'm an amazing driver or the old slag has something still to offer?? Slightly washy at the front has lead to fitting coil overs. My desire for more power has made me buy and rebuild a TD05 16g turbo. 440 injectors. Remap imminent, then she will eat M3's and close the mouths of most non believers. Anyone who cares to non believe can head out mid april for a blast off!!!
Exaxtly £8,650 2 years ago
And it's worth more than that now so I've lost nothing...In fact I think I've made a bit
Don't forget it's 3 or 4 secs quicker to 100....Anyway why can't it be included in the discussion it's still an STi, It's not fair nobody lets me play...lol.
And it's worth more than that now so I've lost nothing...In fact I think I've made a bit
Don't forget it's 3 or 4 secs quicker to 100....Anyway why can't it be included in the discussion it's still an STi, It's not fair nobody lets me play...lol.
the steering rack is different, i got a second hand one from here a while back and its far sharper than my uk rack was.
it is lighter though but not by a great deal. still not as light as classics
i drove one a few years back and it feels a lot different to a uk car, the power delivery is a lot more linear than the uk cars and its far noisier due to no sound deadening, very odd when you hear stones etc hitting the arches and underside.
it is a more focused car than any sti but a few tweaks on an sti and i doubt there would be much in it, the front seats in an sti and spec c weight a fecking ton so theres an easy way to shift a lot of kgs
Last edited by tubbytommy; Mar 4, 2013 at 04:42 PM.
What about, engine oil cooler, gearbox oil cooler, quick rack, lightweight seats, 12L water bottle, front subframe delete, big port heads, seam welded.
Thats just off the top of my head, sorry mate but it's in a different league to uk cars.
Last edited by ditchmyster; Mar 4, 2013 at 04:42 PM.
A quick rack doesn't make it a far superior car, the engine and box is the same as any STI model of the same year....Subaru's own part numbers prove this.
Last edited by jayallen; Mar 4, 2013 at 04:43 PM.
Who's talking just UK cars..
Last edited by jayallen; Mar 4, 2013 at 04:44 PM.
agreed but its all small tweaks as opposed to anything special.
its one of the best newage cars out the box, but as you know imprezas never stay standard.
its a lightweight and tweeked sti, so better than a standard car.
the front subframe is fecking heavy though, when i removed mine it nearly killed me lifting it lying on my back under axle stands.
I think that you might find it is, i'm pretty sure the're drive train differences too, like stronger shafts, diff's and transfer box, but don't quote me on the latter, also don't under estimate the value of a seam welded chassis.
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Only the strut tops were seam welded.....
