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Like others on this thread you came making silly claims and were found wanting.
I happen to think looking down on a whole section of society and wanting something banned solely because you don't like it isn't trivial. It isn't just banter to me, it matters! If you can't grasp that then tough!
Enjoy your evening!
I happen to think looking down on a whole section of society and wanting something banned solely because you don't like it isn't trivial. It isn't just banter to me, it matters! If you can't grasp that then tough!
Enjoy your evening!
Are you gay ?
No I am not gay, but if I was I probably wouldn't want to frequent this board.
To me it matters when people want something banned that harms no one for no other reason than they 'just don't like it'.
These are human beings who happen to have a different sexual persuasion to what is considered the norm by many and I don't see why they should be made to feel second rate or worse by a bunch of people who so far are unable to give a single rational reason as to why they think like that.
If you were gay and came on here I doubt you'd feel like interacting given threads like this and the genral banter about gayers etc. and you certainly wouldn't let it be known you were gay.... I doubt you'd last 5 minutes with some of them on here!
I guess I just feel it's unnecessarily unfair and sadly I associate anti gay views much of the time with a lack of intelligence and that does push my button
To me it matters when people want something banned that harms no one for no other reason than they 'just don't like it'.
These are human beings who happen to have a different sexual persuasion to what is considered the norm by many and I don't see why they should be made to feel second rate or worse by a bunch of people who so far are unable to give a single rational reason as to why they think like that.
If you were gay and came on here I doubt you'd feel like interacting given threads like this and the genral banter about gayers etc. and you certainly wouldn't let it be known you were gay.... I doubt you'd last 5 minutes with some of them on here!
I guess I just feel it's unnecessarily unfair and sadly I associate anti gay views much of the time with a lack of intelligence and that does push my button
No I am not gay, but if I was I probably wouldn't want to frequent this board.
To me it matters when people want something banned that harms no one for no other reason than they 'just don't like it'.
These are human beings who happen to have a different sexual persuasion to what is considered the norm by many and I don't see why they should be made to feel second rate or worse by a bunch of people who so far are unable to give a single rational reason as to why they think like that.
If you were gay and came on here I doubt you'd feel like interacting given threads like this and the genral banter about gayers etc. and you certainly wouldn't let it be known you were gay.... I doubt you'd last 5 minutes with some of them on here!
I guess I just feel it's unnecessarily unfair and sadly I associate anti gay views much of the time with a lack of intelligence and that does push my button
To me it matters when people want something banned that harms no one for no other reason than they 'just don't like it'.
These are human beings who happen to have a different sexual persuasion to what is considered the norm by many and I don't see why they should be made to feel second rate or worse by a bunch of people who so far are unable to give a single rational reason as to why they think like that.
If you were gay and came on here I doubt you'd feel like interacting given threads like this and the genral banter about gayers etc. and you certainly wouldn't let it be known you were gay.... I doubt you'd last 5 minutes with some of them on here!
I guess I just feel it's unnecessarily unfair and sadly I associate anti gay views much of the time with a lack of intelligence and that does push my button
What about two gay men adopting a child ? Is this right ? Would this not influence the child's sexuality and of course the child's school life would be nothing but pain as he would no doubt get bullied all his life.
I think this is a rational reason why gay people should not be allowed to get married and have the family life style that is associated with marridge.
I can agree with some of that,
What about two gay men adopting a child ? Is this right ? Would this not influence the child's sexuality and of course the child's school life would be nothing but pain as he would no doubt get bullied all his life.
I think this is a rational reason why gay people should not be allowed to get married and have the family life style that is associated with marridge.
What about two gay men adopting a child ? Is this right ? Would this not influence the child's sexuality and of course the child's school life would be nothing but pain as he would no doubt get bullied all his life.
I think this is a rational reason why gay people should not be allowed to get married and have the family life style that is associated with marridge.
Look my take on it is this. Obviously the ideal upbringing for a child is with its loving caring mother and father, but life ain't always rosy as we all know.
While I can see what some of you are getting at over the arguments against homosexuals adopting a child I think most of the arguments are not considering the bigger picture.
Surely the child having a loving nurturing upbringing is what's important and if two homosexuals can provide that then surely that is a good thing. Most gay couples are just normal everyday people, I think a lot of you (not you specifically) think they will be dressing in leather and gimp masks and flouncing round the house all the time.
I also don't believe it can influence the child's sexuality no, you cannot be made gay! It might make them more aware of homosexuality which in turn might make them better able to confront their own sexuality when the time comes, but no if cannot directly influence it.
The bullying at school argument doesn't work for me either. The problem is not the child having gay parents, the problem is the bullying the same as it is for overweight kids, short kids, kids with glasses etc. etc.
It's a bit like someone telling you that your car got keyed and it was your fault for buying a nice car. The sex of the parents isn't the reason the kid got bullied, the fact that bullying is allowed to go on at most schools is the problem.
The bullies need to be dealt with not whether the kids adopted parents are gay or not.
Look I know everyone thinks I am either gay myself or some lefty do gooder and to be honest I couldn't care less what they think, but it is a subject that pushes my buttons ... I have and have had several gay friends one of which had a shi1tty start to his career when his work colleagues found out he was gay... he nearly lost his whole career over it such was the pressure they put him under and all because he wasn't 'normal'. That sort of thing isn't fair, sorry, but it just isn't!!
Last edited by f1_fan; Feb 10, 2013 at 10:06 PM.
we are foster parents and even in the paperwork it says they want kids to go to 'normal' couples, there aren't any gay foster carers around us. so does that mean-
A- no gay couples want to foster kids or
B- the council don't class gay couples as 'normal'?
like has been said, gays 'realise' the like men, but find it difficult to come out and admit it. so if a gay couple bring up a boy and when he's older, he will think he should fancy men. but if he doesn't and is straight, he might find it difficult to come out and say he's straight
A- no gay couples want to foster kids or
B- the council don't class gay couples as 'normal'?
like has been said, gays 'realise' the like men, but find it difficult to come out and admit it. so if a gay couple bring up a boy and when he's older, he will think he should fancy men. but if he doesn't and is straight, he might find it difficult to come out and say he's straight
We did this on about page 10 I think, but the thread is so long now I can't be bothered to find it LOL!
Look my take on it is this. Obviously the ideal upbringing for a child is with its loving caring mother and father, but life ain't always rosy as we all know.
While I can see what some of you are getting at over the arguments against homosexuals adopting a child I think most of the arguments are not considering the bigger picture.
Surely the child having a loving nurturing upbringing is what's important and if two homosexuals can provide that then surely that is a good thing. Most gay couples are just normal everyday people, I think a lot of you (not you specifically) think they will be dressing in leather and gimp masks and flouncing round the house all the time.
I also don't believe it can influence the child's sexuality no, you cannot be made gay! It might make them more aware of homosexuality which in turn might make them better able to confront their own sexuality when the time comes, but no if cannot directly influence it.
The bullying at school argument doesn't work for me either. The problem is not the child having gay parents, the problem is the bullying the same as it is for overweight kids, short kids, kids with glasses etc. etc.
It's a bit like someone telling you that your car got keyed and it was your fault for buying a nice car. The sex of the parents isn't the reason the kid got bullied, the fact that bullying is allowed to go on at most schools is the problem.
The bullies need to be dealt with not whether the kids adopted parents are gay or not.
Look I know everyone thinks I am either gay myself or some lefty do gooder and to be honest I couldn't care less what they think, but it is a subject that pushes my buttons ... I have and have had several gay friends one of which had a shi1tty start to his career when his work colleagues found out he was gay... he nearly lost his whole career over it such was the pressure they put him under and all because he wasn't 'normal'. That sort of thing isn't fair, sorry, but it just isn't!!
Look my take on it is this. Obviously the ideal upbringing for a child is with its loving caring mother and father, but life ain't always rosy as we all know.
While I can see what some of you are getting at over the arguments against homosexuals adopting a child I think most of the arguments are not considering the bigger picture.
Surely the child having a loving nurturing upbringing is what's important and if two homosexuals can provide that then surely that is a good thing. Most gay couples are just normal everyday people, I think a lot of you (not you specifically) think they will be dressing in leather and gimp masks and flouncing round the house all the time.
I also don't believe it can influence the child's sexuality no, you cannot be made gay! It might make them more aware of homosexuality which in turn might make them better able to confront their own sexuality when the time comes, but no if cannot directly influence it.
The bullying at school argument doesn't work for me either. The problem is not the child having gay parents, the problem is the bullying the same as it is for overweight kids, short kids, kids with glasses etc. etc.
It's a bit like someone telling you that your car got keyed and it was your fault for buying a nice car. The sex of the parents isn't the reason the kid got bullied, the fact that bullying is allowed to go on at most schools is the problem.
The bullies need to be dealt with not whether the kids adopted parents are gay or not.
Look I know everyone thinks I am either gay myself or some lefty do gooder and to be honest I couldn't care less what they think, but it is a subject that pushes my buttons ... I have and have had several gay friends one of which had a shi1tty start to his career when his work colleagues found out he was gay... he nearly lost his whole career over it such was the pressure they put him under and all because he wasn't 'normal'. That sort of thing isn't fair, sorry, but it just isn't!!
We did this on about page 10 I think, but the thread is so long now I can't be bothered to find it LOL!
Look my take on it is this. Obviously the ideal upbringing for a child is with its loving caring mother and father, but life ain't always rosy as we all know.
While I can see what some of you are getting at over the arguments against homosexuals adopting a child I think most of the arguments are not considering the bigger picture.
Surely the child having a loving nurturing upbringing is what's important and if two homosexuals can provide that then surely that is a good thing. Most gay couples are just normal everyday people, I think a lot of you (not you specifically) think they will be dressing in leather and gimp masks and flouncing round the house all the time.
I also don't believe it can influence the child's sexuality no, you cannot be made gay! It might make them more aware of homosexuality which in turn might make them better able to confront their own sexuality when the time comes, but no if cannot directly influence it.
The bullying at school argument doesn't work for me either. The problem is not the child having gay parents, the problem is the bullying the same as it is for overweight kids, short kids, kids with glasses etc. etc.
It's a bit like someone telling you that your car got keyed and it was your fault for buying a nice car. The sex of the parents isn't the reason the kid got bullied, the fact that bullying is allowed to go on at most schools is the problem.
The bullies need to be dealt with not whether the kids adopted parents are gay or not.
Look I know everyone thinks I am either gay myself or some lefty do gooder and to be honest I couldn't care less what they think, but it is a subject that pushes my buttons ... I have and have had several gay friends one of which had a shi1tty start to his career when his work colleagues found out he was gay... he nearly lost his whole career over it such was the pressure they put him under and all because he wasn't 'normal'. That sort of thing isn't fair, sorry, but it just isn't!!
Look my take on it is this. Obviously the ideal upbringing for a child is with its loving caring mother and father, but life ain't always rosy as we all know.
While I can see what some of you are getting at over the arguments against homosexuals adopting a child I think most of the arguments are not considering the bigger picture.
Surely the child having a loving nurturing upbringing is what's important and if two homosexuals can provide that then surely that is a good thing. Most gay couples are just normal everyday people, I think a lot of you (not you specifically) think they will be dressing in leather and gimp masks and flouncing round the house all the time.
I also don't believe it can influence the child's sexuality no, you cannot be made gay! It might make them more aware of homosexuality which in turn might make them better able to confront their own sexuality when the time comes, but no if cannot directly influence it.
The bullying at school argument doesn't work for me either. The problem is not the child having gay parents, the problem is the bullying the same as it is for overweight kids, short kids, kids with glasses etc. etc.
It's a bit like someone telling you that your car got keyed and it was your fault for buying a nice car. The sex of the parents isn't the reason the kid got bullied, the fact that bullying is allowed to go on at most schools is the problem.
The bullies need to be dealt with not whether the kids adopted parents are gay or not.
Look I know everyone thinks I am either gay myself or some lefty do gooder and to be honest I couldn't care less what they think, but it is a subject that pushes my buttons ... I have and have had several gay friends one of which had a shi1tty start to his career when his work colleagues found out he was gay... he nearly lost his whole career over it such was the pressure they put him under and all because he wasn't 'normal'. That sort of thing isn't fair, sorry, but it just isn't!!
You really are like a book of cliches aren't you?
Do some research and you will find the navy is no more gay than any other walk of life. The stereotyping came about as a result of many things (that if you care to look them up you can read for yourself), but most of us are clever enough to realise it's just that.... stereotyping.
Put simply if the navy are so gay how come a) there is a saying that sailors have a different girl in every port and b) there are a much higher number of brothels and prostiutes (female ones btw) in sea ports than nearly any other type of location!
How about instead of trotting out one silly myth after another you set about answering the question of why you dislike homosexuals so much with something a bit more logical that 'it's wrong, they're not normal'!!!
Do some research and you will find the navy is no more gay than any other walk of life. The stereotyping came about as a result of many things (that if you care to look them up you can read for yourself), but most of us are clever enough to realise it's just that.... stereotyping.
Put simply if the navy are so gay how come a) there is a saying that sailors have a different girl in every port and b) there are a much higher number of brothels and prostiutes (female ones btw) in sea ports than nearly any other type of location!
How about instead of trotting out one silly myth after another you set about answering the question of why you dislike homosexuals so much with something a bit more logical that 'it's wrong, they're not normal'!!!
a) yeah, its just a saying.
b) they're for the ships that have real men on board, not for the navy.
Several points around your question have already been said, however......
I find gays being 'affectionate' in public disgusting - as do many others.
They don't bother me directly, nor do they affect me per se.
I actually work with a gay, he doesn't think there is any need to gay marriages by the way - his attitude is they have civil partnerships, and marriage is for man/woman anyway.
He doesn't prance about or go over the top making a scene about things
b) they're for the ships that have real men on board, not for the navy.
Several points around your question have already been said, however......
I find gays being 'affectionate' in public disgusting - as do many others.
They don't bother me directly, nor do they affect me per se.
I actually work with a gay, he doesn't think there is any need to gay marriages by the way - his attitude is they have civil partnerships, and marriage is for man/woman anyway.
He doesn't prance about or go over the top making a scene about things
Last edited by urban; Feb 11, 2013 at 10:34 AM.
As for being offended here is Stepehen Fry's take on being offended, he words it so much better than I could:
Originally Posted by Stephen Fry
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ****ing what."
So why do you hold the views you do then? Learn to live and let live!
Shock horror... a gay person who is like... a normal human being. Whatever next? FFS get over yourself!
Yeah it's a pity they can't be normal like you 
I use them for emphasis when I think the person I am talking to is retarded.
The greater the number used the more f**king stupid I think that person is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The greater the number used the more f**king stupid I think that person is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Spotted this elsewhere, earlier.
If this about equality, then everyone must be afforded the same equality, no?
When the Civil Partnerships Bill was going through parliament, heterosexual couples were told the law wouldn't apply to them as they had the option to marry, while homosexuals didn't.
Now that homosexuals will be allowed to marry, shouldn't heterosexals be allowed a civil partnership with the rights that go with it?
Now that homosexuals will be allowed to marry, shouldn't heterosexals be allowed a civil partnership with the rights that go with it?
You use them because you're a manc plonker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont get how people call god into it, we know gays exist as they are all over the place but god, not so sure and if there is some omnipresent force I dont think he/she/it is sat in a big chair like Alan Freeman looking put out by all the gays, if it was like that with all the fire/flood/pestilence/wratch stuff I expect he/she/it would have smited them all off the face of the planet, I know someone will say Aids was the attempt but it either wasnt or it backfired as it kills more straight people.
I know I am not gay, I had a mate (not jackos mate on here btw but have to share a tent with him in June...) offer me some **** once and I politely declined, a lad I know had some unresolved sexuality issues at about 18, went to a gay club, got chatting to a bloke who he snogged and he knew right then and there he was definitely straight, I dotn think gay people do it for ****s and giggles but I do know a girl from school who mentions in every post on FB about being gay (A Lezzer), not sure why as we know and arent fussed, we arent shocked, it does grate but there is another chap at work, but softly spoken but othereise just a regular bloke and he is gay but never, ever goes on about it.
Basically, they arent going to stop, it doesnt do me any harm and I reckon if a chap feels like I do about females about males then why fight it, ok they cant produce offspring but as a species it isnt like we are dying out due to everyone getting the wrong orifice.
I know I am not gay, I had a mate (not jackos mate on here btw but have to share a tent with him in June...) offer me some **** once and I politely declined, a lad I know had some unresolved sexuality issues at about 18, went to a gay club, got chatting to a bloke who he snogged and he knew right then and there he was definitely straight, I dotn think gay people do it for ****s and giggles but I do know a girl from school who mentions in every post on FB about being gay (A Lezzer), not sure why as we know and arent fussed, we arent shocked, it does grate but there is another chap at work, but softly spoken but othereise just a regular bloke and he is gay but never, ever goes on about it.
Basically, they arent going to stop, it doesnt do me any harm and I reckon if a chap feels like I do about females about males then why fight it, ok they cant produce offspring but as a species it isnt like we are dying out due to everyone getting the wrong orifice.
I dont get how people call god into it, we know gays exist as they are all over the place but god, not so sure and if there is some omnipresent force I dont think he/she/it is sat in a big chair like Alan Freeman looking put out by all the gays, if it was like that with all the fire/flood/pestilence/wratch stuff I expect he/she/it would have smited them all off the face of the planet, I know someone will say Aids was the attempt but it either wasnt or it backfired as it kills more straight people.
I know I am not gay, I had a mate (not jackos mate on here btw but have to share a tent with him in June...) offer me some **** once and I politely declined, a lad I know had some unresolved sexuality issues at about 18, went to a gay club, got chatting to a bloke who he snogged and he knew right then and there he was definitely straight, I dotn think gay people do it for ****s and giggles but I do know a girl from school who mentions in every post on FB about being gay (A Lezzer), not sure why as we know and arent fussed, we arent shocked, it does grate but there is another chap at work, but softly spoken but othereise just a regular bloke and he is gay but never, ever goes on about it.
Basically, they arent going to stop, it doesnt do me any harm and I reckon if a chap feels like I do about females about males then why fight it, ok they cant produce offspring but as a species it isnt like we are dying out due to everyone getting the wrong orifice.
I know I am not gay, I had a mate (not jackos mate on here btw but have to share a tent with him in June...) offer me some **** once and I politely declined, a lad I know had some unresolved sexuality issues at about 18, went to a gay club, got chatting to a bloke who he snogged and he knew right then and there he was definitely straight, I dotn think gay people do it for ****s and giggles but I do know a girl from school who mentions in every post on FB about being gay (A Lezzer), not sure why as we know and arent fussed, we arent shocked, it does grate but there is another chap at work, but softly spoken but othereise just a regular bloke and he is gay but never, ever goes on about it.
Basically, they arent going to stop, it doesnt do me any harm and I reckon if a chap feels like I do about females about males then why fight it, ok they cant produce offspring but as a species it isnt like we are dying out due to everyone getting the wrong orifice.