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17 January 2013, 03:14 PM
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The other part of the problem is that the taxpaying part of the population really doesn't know (or want to know) what the people they are supporting are like and how they are living.
I came home from a days' work at £7.50/hr yesterday to pics on my wife's phone of a guy's house she had visited that day. He has about 6 dogs in his council house and no job; he breeds the sh*t out of them and sells the pups in the pub to pay for his distractions of choice (booze, drugs). Every room in the house was like a fly tip and every room (inc kitchen) had 10+ separate dog sh*ts on the floor with dog **** soaked into the floor.
I know many won't agree, but I do not believe we should support this individual. Put him on the street and let nature take its course. If he is a strong willed person with good genetic material that we want to pass onto future generations he will adapt, improve and survive. If he's not (which I suspect he isn't) he will die and his weak genes and poor example will not be transmitted to another generation.
FWIW, these pictures were sadly not an isolated incident; she sees this stuff nearly every day!
I came home from a days' work at £7.50/hr yesterday to pics on my wife's phone of a guy's house she had visited that day. He has about 6 dogs in his council house and no job; he breeds the sh*t out of them and sells the pups in the pub to pay for his distractions of choice (booze, drugs). Every room in the house was like a fly tip and every room (inc kitchen) had 10+ separate dog sh*ts on the floor with dog **** soaked into the floor.
I know many won't agree, but I do not believe we should support this individual. Put him on the street and let nature take its course. If he is a strong willed person with good genetic material that we want to pass onto future generations he will adapt, improve and survive. If he's not (which I suspect he isn't) he will die and his weak genes and poor example will not be transmitted to another generation.
FWIW, these pictures were sadly not an isolated incident; she sees this stuff nearly every day!
17 January 2013, 03:21 PM
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This is something that's bothered me for as long as I can recall and would like to hear others opinions on it
It's the way the society we live in works
How can everyone just get on with their life whilst we're all being dumped on from above ?
I just don't understand it ? At many points during the day I honestly feel like just screaming as loud as I can, that's how hard I find this whole situation to contemplate.
Surely we should all be working side by side for the good of our fellow man and nation ?
How did you (the older generation) let this happen ?
This country needs a total reform, almost a revolution I would say. How far does our current government need to push us before we snap ?
Or are we to well mannered to do anything about it ?
This ones an awful question to ask but where would a peaceful protest get us ?
Three gems that I learned of this week annoyed me greatly
1.) A gambling addiction group managed to get their plea heard by the government. They wanted a reduction in the UNREGULATED Casino style gaming machines in bookies. These things are evil and in my opinion probably rigged to go
Government says there not a problem
2.) Again, for the countless time, scientists tell the government that there's many illegal drugs that are less harmful than tobacco and alcohol. Love or hate drugs, I'm pretty sure we can all agree that the current laws are doing nothing to help the control the miss use of drugs
Government says the current laws are affective
3.) A friend was recently accepted into college. Whilst there the head of the department briefly described the budget cuts their facing. 120 students applied for a course, usually they would accommodate them all, because of cutbacks only 60 places were offered. Thats means that 60 people that were qualified for the course never got on because someone messed up all finances ?
Totally unacceptable
He also went on to say that the college in question has to join another college, from totally different county and work on basically the same budget they had for one college
What chance do the younger generation have when perfectly capable students can't be educated ? Not only does that hold them back it holds us back not only as a nation, but as a race.
Where do they go from here ? Sign on the dole for a year and try again or stack shelfs in Tesco forever more ?
I can go on forever and ever about this, these are just the gems from the past few days, I'm not even going to get started on the MPs payrise
So, back to my point, what can we do ?
Over the past 6 months to a year I've seen a huge rise in people that are getting as annoyed as me about this whole situation. Whether it be on Scoobynet, journalists in the paper, reporters on TV. I feel it building but will it end up with something constructive ?
Next time there's an election can we have a box that says 'none of the above, we want a total reform of society and our government' ?
Probably not
Over to you.........................
It's the way the society we live in works
How can everyone just get on with their life whilst we're all being dumped on from above ?
I just don't understand it ? At many points during the day I honestly feel like just screaming as loud as I can, that's how hard I find this whole situation to contemplate.
Surely we should all be working side by side for the good of our fellow man and nation ?
How did you (the older generation) let this happen ?
This country needs a total reform, almost a revolution I would say. How far does our current government need to push us before we snap ?
Or are we to well mannered to do anything about it ?
This ones an awful question to ask but where would a peaceful protest get us ?
Three gems that I learned of this week annoyed me greatly
1.) A gambling addiction group managed to get their plea heard by the government. They wanted a reduction in the UNREGULATED Casino style gaming machines in bookies. These things are evil and in my opinion probably rigged to go
Government says there not a problem
2.) Again, for the countless time, scientists tell the government that there's many illegal drugs that are less harmful than tobacco and alcohol. Love or hate drugs, I'm pretty sure we can all agree that the current laws are doing nothing to help the control the miss use of drugs
Government says the current laws are affective
3.) A friend was recently accepted into college. Whilst there the head of the department briefly described the budget cuts their facing. 120 students applied for a course, usually they would accommodate them all, because of cutbacks only 60 places were offered. Thats means that 60 people that were qualified for the course never got on because someone messed up all finances ?
Totally unacceptable
He also went on to say that the college in question has to join another college, from totally different county and work on basically the same budget they had for one college
What chance do the younger generation have when perfectly capable students can't be educated ? Not only does that hold them back it holds us back not only as a nation, but as a race.
Where do they go from here ? Sign on the dole for a year and try again or stack shelfs in Tesco forever more ?
I can go on forever and ever about this, these are just the gems from the past few days, I'm not even going to get started on the MPs payrise
So, back to my point, what can we do ?
Over the past 6 months to a year I've seen a huge rise in people that are getting as annoyed as me about this whole situation. Whether it be on Scoobynet, journalists in the paper, reporters on TV. I feel it building but will it end up with something constructive ?
Next time there's an election can we have a box that says 'none of the above, we want a total reform of society and our government' ?
Probably not
Over to you.........................
It is so noticeable these days that our so called leaders seem to lose all thought of the promises they make in order to get elected once they are in power. It is as though they will say anything to get the votes and having succeeded, they forget all that irritating stuff and concentrate on making the most of their elevated position to feather their own nests ignoring the job they were elected to do.
We don't have to look very far to see the prime example of that do we?
Short of some kind of revolution, I can't see any way to sort these people out! We are lucky enough I suppose to have Farage and his mates to support in the polls in an effort to get our message across. That may be working to an extent but short of voting him into power we cant change the system in a powerful enough manner.
I think one of the biggest problems is that politicians have an enormous sense of superiority over the rest of us and they believe that we are all sub intelligent and dont understand what they are up to! I can only hope that they get a very nasty shock next time!
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That's what happened here anyway, 3 reports in 12 months and the scrounging a$$hole is still claiming.
The system doesn't work
17 January 2013, 04:13 PM
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Wife is an animal welfare officer. Scumbo's are getting away with murder. Their dogs rips other people's pets to bits time and time again and the PF won't even take the cases.
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Time and time again you hear " it's all the fault of the bankers" yet if you asked the most of the people who were saying this why they felt that way most of them wouldn't have a bloody clue, but it's always easy to blame someone else isn't it.
I was just just wondering if there was just anything specific, an event maybe that happened to you personally to make you feel this way so no need for the sarcasm thanks.
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17 January 2013, 05:04 PM
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It's not all doom and gloom you know. The vast majority of people in this country are just carrying on as normal, getting on with it. Maybe you should try it instead of whingeing and moaning about your hatred of bankers. There are a lot of factors that have played a part in the downfall of this country, not just the bankers.
Time and time again you hear " it's all the fault of the bankers" yet if you asked the most of the people who were saying this why they felt that way most of them wouldn't have a bloody clue, but it's always easy to blame someone else isn't it.
I was just just wondering if there was just anything specific, an event maybe that happened to you personally to make you feel this way so no need for the sarcasm thanks.
Chip
Time and time again you hear " it's all the fault of the bankers" yet if you asked the most of the people who were saying this why they felt that way most of them wouldn't have a bloody clue, but it's always easy to blame someone else isn't it.
I was just just wondering if there was just anything specific, an event maybe that happened to you personally to make you feel this way so no need for the sarcasm thanks.
Chip
My own personal gripes are an error by HSBCs website not letting me use my year's ISA allocation (fought it for ages, gave up), rip off graduate loans sold on the sly (paid off years ago but it hurt for years), pathetic interest rates compared to lending rates for savers, a huge cut in the public services we use thanks partly to bailing out the goons and a general anger towards those that played casino with MY money then got paid for by ME when it all went wrong.
Is that enough?
I find those that defend the banks often like to imply they are some kind of financial wizard that "knows best" So far "experts" have been utterly wrong time and time again.
I believe in good pay for good performance. Not for failing.
17 January 2013, 08:44 PM
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If you read my earlier post, you'll see I said the banking crisis is only a minor part of the economic problems. So I'm not blaming the banks for it all.
My own personal gripes are an error by HSBCs website not letting me use my year's ISA allocation (fought it for ages, gave up), rip off graduate loans sold on the sly (paid off years ago but it hurt for years), pathetic interest rates compared to lending rates for savers, a huge cut in the public services we use thanks partly to bailing out the goons and a general anger towards those that played casino with MY money then got paid for by ME when it all went wrong.
Is that enough?
I find those that defend the banks often like to imply they are some kind of financial wizard that "knows best" So far "experts" have been utterly wrong time and time again.
I believe in good pay for good performance. Not for failing.
My own personal gripes are an error by HSBCs website not letting me use my year's ISA allocation (fought it for ages, gave up), rip off graduate loans sold on the sly (paid off years ago but it hurt for years), pathetic interest rates compared to lending rates for savers, a huge cut in the public services we use thanks partly to bailing out the goons and a general anger towards those that played casino with MY money then got paid for by ME when it all went wrong.
Is that enough?
I find those that defend the banks often like to imply they are some kind of financial wizard that "knows best" So far "experts" have been utterly wrong time and time again.
I believe in good pay for good performance. Not for failing.
17 January 2013, 08:47 PM
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Can i address those points you've made, Matt?
1. HSBC website error. Nothing to do with banks per se, just an isolated example. Nobody knows if you spoke to them face to face or just waged war against a website.
2. Rip off graduate loans, paid off years ago. So long before the current issues but you still bear a grudge. I think we're getting closer to the nub of the problem.
3. Pathetic saving rates. Again i would ask you, what do you know about inter-bank liquidity. Do you know what inter-bank liquidity actually means? Do you know how this affects the setting of interest rates?
4. A huge cut in public services. How much of this is conjecture and how much can be backed up with hard facts? I'll throw out a figure that it's 95% conjecture.
Trust me i've heard this all before; you're not alone, and there are millions behind you ready to stamp their feet in exactly the same way. Got to have a scapegoat. If i can ask you to pause for just 30 seconds to question the foundation of your opinions and whether you're just being swept along by the witch-hunting headlines, that will be a good thing.
1. HSBC website error. Nothing to do with banks per se, just an isolated example. Nobody knows if you spoke to them face to face or just waged war against a website.
2. Rip off graduate loans, paid off years ago. So long before the current issues but you still bear a grudge. I think we're getting closer to the nub of the problem.
3. Pathetic saving rates. Again i would ask you, what do you know about inter-bank liquidity. Do you know what inter-bank liquidity actually means? Do you know how this affects the setting of interest rates?
4. A huge cut in public services. How much of this is conjecture and how much can be backed up with hard facts? I'll throw out a figure that it's 95% conjecture.
Trust me i've heard this all before; you're not alone, and there are millions behind you ready to stamp their feet in exactly the same way. Got to have a scapegoat. If i can ask you to pause for just 30 seconds to question the foundation of your opinions and whether you're just being swept along by the witch-hunting headlines, that will be a good thing.
17 January 2013, 08:52 PM
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Please list for me everyone who has been paid a big payout for failure. I guess it's a long list, so there must be at least five people on it? Heston and Goodwin almost certainyl get a mention, but please fill in three more.
1. Stephen Heston
2. Fred Goodwin
3.
4.
5.
17 January 2013, 09:48 PM
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I have mentioned Stephen Green in a previous thread-- who whilst head of HSBC, the bank was involved in supply banking services to the world’s major criminal enterprises
drug running and terrorism - DRUG RUNNING AND FUNDING TERRORISM - HOLD THAT THOUGHT
HSBC were convicted in a US federal court
Stephen Green is now a government minister -- for business wtf
Gordon Pell --Group Director of Lloyds Bank -- responsible for mass PPI miss-selling. moved to RBS (a failed bank who we bailed out)
in 2010 he stepped down trousering a £500,00 a YEAR pension
Benny Higgins (now trousering £1million odd as head of Tesco’s bank) was chief executive, retail banking arm RBS (a failed ban who we bailed out)
Andy Hornby in charge of HBOS -- left with pension right of £500k a year
Norman Mcluskie - head of retail direct personal finance for RBS - a fialed bank, now director of virgin money
Andy pandy - global head of a romper suit empire, caught in bed with Jemima (okay that's made up)
and on and on, so many more (many many more, seriously the list is endless)
All in charge of financial intuitions responsible for fraud, money laundering and market rigging on a massive global scale
And this isn't just a side show, this isn't escaping a bit of VAT on CD sales from the channel islands
this strikes at the very heart of global capitalism – rigging markets, and fraud
banks have paid fines in the Billions, the BILLIONS – where does this money come from,, certainly not the people running them – they escape with gold plated pensions and seats in the Lords
shareholders and taxpayers pay the fines
who was in charge of regulating them - Hector Sants
where does he work now, Barclays -- one of the bigest PPI miss sellers. and a market rigor of LIBOR
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17 January 2013, 10:01 PM
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heers 3 of the main problems,this country has as a buisness see if anyone can guess them
as a shareholding mp what 3 things can you do to make a company you hold shares in more profitable, ???
i will give you a clue all 3 where done by labour
as a shareholding mp what 3 things can you do to make a company you hold shares in more profitable, ???
i will give you a clue all 3 where done by labour
17 January 2013, 10:04 PM
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it is actually so serious (the failure of global banking/finance) and pernicious that I am not sure snetters have the cognative ability to digest it all
Ultimately markets rely on transparency – and they were rigged
and YOU are the loser
Ultimately markets rely on transparency – and they were rigged
and YOU are the loser
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17 January 2013, 11:02 PM
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I have mentioned Stephen Green in a previous thread-- who whilst head of HSBC, the bank was involved in supply banking services to the world’s major criminal enterprises
drug running and terrorism - DRUG RUNNING AND FUNDING TERRORISM - HOLD THAT THOUGHT
HSBC were convicted in a US federal court
Stephen Green is now a government minister -- for business wtf
drug running and terrorism - DRUG RUNNING AND FUNDING TERRORISM - HOLD THAT THOUGHT
HSBC were convicted in a US federal court
Stephen Green is now a government minister -- for business wtf
17 January 2013, 11:09 PM
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just shows how corrupting it is, doesn't it
not just funding Iran, but funding Mexican drug dealers
have you seen the carnage thay cause Telboy, the beheadings the slaughter, the children, the mothers
it was done in plain site, emails the lot-- not hidden
but stephen green took his pay check every month
and is now a government minister -- for business
as a christian he must weep into his pension every night
not just funding Iran, but funding Mexican drug dealers
have you seen the carnage thay cause Telboy, the beheadings the slaughter, the children, the mothers
it was done in plain site, emails the lot-- not hidden
but stephen green took his pay check every month
and is now a government minister -- for business
as a christian he must weep into his pension every night
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18 January 2013, 08:51 AM
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i'll bite
I have mentioned Stephen Green in a previous thread-- who whilst head of HSBC, the bank was involved in supply banking services to the world’s major criminal enterprises
drug running and terrorism - DRUG RUNNING AND FUNDING TERRORISM - HOLD THAT THOUGHT
HSBC were convicted in a US federal court
Stephen Green is now a government minister -- for business wtf
Gordon Pell --Group Director of Lloyds Bank -- responsible for mass PPI miss-selling. moved to RBS (a failed bank who we bailed out)
in 2010 he stepped down trousering a £500,00 a YEAR pension
Benny Higgins (now trousering £1million odd as head of Tesco’s bank) was chief executive, retail banking arm RBS (a failed ban who we bailed out)
Andy Hornby in charge of HBOS -- left with pension right of £500k a year
Norman Mcluskie - head of retail direct personal finance for RBS - a fialed bank, now director of virgin money
Andy pandy - global head of a romper suit empire, caught in bed with Jemima (okay that's made up)
and on and on, so many more (many many more, seriously the list is endless)
All in charge of financial intuitions responsible for fraud, money laundering and market rigging on a massive global scale
And this isn't just a side show, this isn't escaping a bit of VAT on CD sales from the channel islands
this strikes at the very heart of global capitalism – rigging markets, and fraud
banks have paid fines in the Billions, the BILLIONS – where does this money come from,, certainly not the people running them – they escape with gold plated pensions and seats in the Lords
shareholders and taxpayers pay the fines
who was in charge of regulating them - Hector Sants
where does he work now, Barclays -- one of the bigest PPI miss sellers. and a market rigor of LIBOR
I have mentioned Stephen Green in a previous thread-- who whilst head of HSBC, the bank was involved in supply banking services to the world’s major criminal enterprises
drug running and terrorism - DRUG RUNNING AND FUNDING TERRORISM - HOLD THAT THOUGHT
HSBC were convicted in a US federal court
Stephen Green is now a government minister -- for business wtf
Gordon Pell --Group Director of Lloyds Bank -- responsible for mass PPI miss-selling. moved to RBS (a failed bank who we bailed out)
in 2010 he stepped down trousering a £500,00 a YEAR pension
Benny Higgins (now trousering £1million odd as head of Tesco’s bank) was chief executive, retail banking arm RBS (a failed ban who we bailed out)
Andy Hornby in charge of HBOS -- left with pension right of £500k a year
Norman Mcluskie - head of retail direct personal finance for RBS - a fialed bank, now director of virgin money
Andy pandy - global head of a romper suit empire, caught in bed with Jemima (okay that's made up)
and on and on, so many more (many many more, seriously the list is endless)
All in charge of financial intuitions responsible for fraud, money laundering and market rigging on a massive global scale
And this isn't just a side show, this isn't escaping a bit of VAT on CD sales from the channel islands
this strikes at the very heart of global capitalism – rigging markets, and fraud
banks have paid fines in the Billions, the BILLIONS – where does this money come from,, certainly not the people running them – they escape with gold plated pensions and seats in the Lords
shareholders and taxpayers pay the fines
who was in charge of regulating them - Hector Sants
where does he work now, Barclays -- one of the bigest PPI miss sellers. and a market rigor of LIBOR
18 January 2013, 09:07 AM
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loads more
Adam Applegarth -- head of Northern Rock, which we bailed out, now earning Millions for a private equity group
Applegarth was paid £1.4 million in 2006 and received a £760,000 pay-off in 2007 and collected a £2.2 million pension pot.
in fact the whole senior board of Northern Rock
Adam Applegarth -- head of Northern Rock, which we bailed out, now earning Millions for a private equity group
Applegarth was paid £1.4 million in 2006 and received a £760,000 pay-off in 2007 and collected a £2.2 million pension pot.
in fact the whole senior board of Northern Rock
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Morning. I will try and avoid dissecting each one of these names, even though i'm sorely tempted to, i just had to respond in disbelief last night to the focus on Stephen Green.
Tell me this, hodgy. If you were on the Board of let's say Northern Rock to use your last example, you get caught up in a downward spiral caused by contagion from a sub-prime mess, you've worked hard all your life to get where you are, the Government step in and prevent a collapse. Is hodgy of Scoobynet seriously going to tell me that he'd give up all his share options, all his pension rights and demand a swingeing cut in salary just because he felt morally responsible? And if you say yes, i will call you a liar.
Grr i just started getting into the list starting with Andy Hornby but i've deleted it, i don't want to go down that path, each individual case has been discussed at length in the press. I'll stick with the above paragraph. It's so so easy to throw peanuts from an ivory tower. You'd have thought nothing of it if the subprime crisis hadn't swept the globe. But you now want blood. Forget what they achieved, forget what they contributed to the economy, let's see them under London Bridge at the soup kitchen. Anyone who criminally broke the rules deserves that fate, the rest i just see as moralistic posturing with a tinge of envy thrown in.
Tell me this, hodgy. If you were on the Board of let's say Northern Rock to use your last example, you get caught up in a downward spiral caused by contagion from a sub-prime mess, you've worked hard all your life to get where you are, the Government step in and prevent a collapse. Is hodgy of Scoobynet seriously going to tell me that he'd give up all his share options, all his pension rights and demand a swingeing cut in salary just because he felt morally responsible? And if you say yes, i will call you a liar.
Grr i just started getting into the list starting with Andy Hornby but i've deleted it, i don't want to go down that path, each individual case has been discussed at length in the press. I'll stick with the above paragraph. It's so so easy to throw peanuts from an ivory tower. You'd have thought nothing of it if the subprime crisis hadn't swept the globe. But you now want blood. Forget what they achieved, forget what they contributed to the economy, let's see them under London Bridge at the soup kitchen. Anyone who criminally broke the rules deserves that fate, the rest i just see as moralistic posturing with a tinge of envy thrown in.
18 January 2013, 09:53 AM
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If Tel reads that he will be apoplectic
18 January 2013, 09:55 AM
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I know many won't agree, but I do not believe we should support this individual. Put him on the street and let nature take its course. If he is a strong willed person with good genetic material that we want to pass onto future generations he will adapt, improve and survive. If he's not (which I suspect he isn't) he will die and his weak genes and poor example will not be transmitted to another generation.
Survival of the fittest is all well and good when the opponents are equals, but scum like this would not pick on an equal, so things would quite quickly turn to anarchy, with gangs marauding the streets (even more so than they do already) attacking the very fabric of society.
I saw all this crap some time ago and voted with my feet, i don't see why those that can leave chose to stay and complain via internet forums
18 January 2013, 09:58 AM
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to be honest, i don't give a fvck what they do/don't do - I have profited from it and will continue to do so
but I see it for what it is, we have an entilement society and it does not simply start and stop with dole scroungers
And the advice I will give to my children is go into finance
but I see it for what it is, we have an entilement society and it does not simply start and stop with dole scroungers
And the advice I will give to my children is go into finance
