LMC

Name another car you can buy for the same price that can compete, im talking new prices now. The scoobs are cheap and nasty on the inside too but id rather be sitting in the RS on a commute its a lot nicer than even the hatchback scoob. Ford cant build a decent engine your opinions are invalid from here on in.
But then it would of been too expensive and heavier and then your looking at cars in the next division.

ditchmyster

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Have to disagree with that, proper Fords were rear wheel drive, cosworths were 4WD.

Escorts, Cortinas,and Capris are proper fords and i have owned all of them, when i was a lad, which getting back to the reason for the OP is why the lad can't drive a type r with it's rear wheel drive bias, in this mostly front wheel drive mass market.

If Ford made the RS in rear wheel drive then even i would have one, but i recon there would be plenty of them in hedges and trees.

tubbytommy

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he is young and inexperienced in proper cars having only owned front wheel drives.

a crap driver will be slow in any car

HAGGY

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youre mates were not racing a subaru!!!! they were racing you! lol

**jay**

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1 its no a cosworth and 2 its a volvo engine, i repeat ford cant build decent cars full stop, ive had more cossies than a horse can ****e, ford never built the engine or running gear hense the were good in there time, ford have only built junk from then on and have to ise a volvo engine to make a luke warm car. I drive one a lot, yeh it drives nice enough but not when pushing it.
Jay

SRSport

Was that Scottish?

**jay**

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No, its trying to type on an iphone lol

Ash170990

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Well i was just curious if anyone else thought the scooby was over rated like myself, but becuase i compared it to my old RS and that it wasnt much quicker in a striahgt line but slower round the bends than an ST people got upset and jsut started slating the fords rather than concentrating on the actual topic.... I thought that because of the hype scoobys get i was disapointed when i actually got to drive mine hard, it didnt live up to the expectations..... Sureley it must be the same for others like i say with the amount of hype the scoobys get i was expecting itto blow my socks off every time i drove it but it just doesnt.....

finally somebody that sounds like theyve actually driven an RS! lol

pahahahahaha! ask anyone on any car forum which car is more chavvy a scooby or an RS and i think youll soon be shocked at which is found more pissing about in a mcdonalds car park and it doesnt need 4WD, have a drive in one and youll soon realise this and there wasnt much point spending hundreds of thousands of pounds making a new engine for it when theres a perfectly good one available to use.....

Ash170990

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as said above, doesnt need 4WD handles the power fine... the torque steer is only a problem for people who cant drive

Ash170990

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it was only the escort cossie that was only 4WD... 3Dr cossie was RWD and saph was 4Wd or RWD depending on which year/ model you bough....

and yes if the focus was RWD i think they would have sold alot more and yes mroe would be in the ditches etc, but then it wouldnt be a focus really lol

Saw you on telly last night colin you truley are THEE best driver in the world! if in doubt, flat out!

1, no its not a cosworth... well done......
2. yes it does have a volvo engine.... the problem being?
The standard for cars are ubbish yes, but when they produce a new RS they are generally miles above anything in the same class, i.e. series 1 and 2 RS turbos were fooking quick in the day, mk1 Focus RS it took untill around 2007 for anything around the same price to be even close to as quick as that thing! and the mk2, the only thing people compare it to is the megane R26r, because it was a little quicker round the nurburgring, but i dont see how people can compare a fully equipped RS to a strippedo ut caged renault with plastic windows as standard! not really ideal for a daily

**jay**

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I drive one on a regular basis, my cousin has one,
yeh it drives nice but its a joke in the wet, just torque steers and the ecu pulls the power back, far too heavy to chuck around, does not feel planted, and thats with a geo set up.
Its currently up for sale as he is bored of it.
Jay

**jay**

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If you read through the thread you will see that someone thought they were made by cosworth.

I used to be a ford man and all i had years ago were rs turbos and cosworths, i hated the impreza when i first seen them and back then the tuning on them was rubbish I.e stick a mbc on it and blow it up after a while, but im on my fourth one now and by far the best value for money. your type r must be knackered if your getting handed it by fiesta st pmsl or you need to learn too drive it. the ra i just sold(same as the type r but 4 door) destroyed my cousins rs and his is running 380bhp

Ash170990

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yeah in low gears in the wet they wernt brilliant, but what do you expect with nearly 400lbs of torque lol you have similar problems in a RWD car with that..... and yes the traction control was intrusive, but i got into the routine of just turning it off everytime i got in the car even if i wasnt planning on bootign it, it just because part of starting it up haha i had michy pilot super sports on mine and that you could trow into any corner and it would just go round! again, mine felt planted doing 160mph still had more to go too but i bottled it lol (on a track ofcourse)

**jay**

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Can i ask one thing though, why did you buy it if you dont like it lol seems like you have bought a dud and now bashing every one that owns an impreza lol

Ash170990

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Odd, becuase my near standard (was running about 320bhp) blew away my mates classic Sti running around the same power.... just due to the torque difference.... i admit we never had a go off the line, but im sure the 4wd would help him untill we got into 3rd gear lol

Ash170990

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becuase i lvoe the looks of them! and they hype the car gets i assumed it would live up to it.....

not bashing all the drivers just some mongs that dont like to be helpfull like Colin "tubbytommy" mcrae...

If you read my first post on this topic, i simply asked if anyone else was a tad disapointed with their car becuase like isay it gets such a hype on being such a good car for me it didnt live up to it.....

Tidgy

not gonna get into a ford vs subaru fight lol

but it is a great shame they bottled out of awd or rwd the rs. If you have to wait for the right road conditions, which are what 1/4 of the time in the uk, to actualy use it then its kinda a bit pointless.

out the box scoobs dont handel that well, anyone claims they do is clueless. They just have tones of raw grip. uprate alot of the suspension, set the geom right and they are a totaly different animal.

**jay**

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A standard type r and ra is something like 0-60 in 4.9 seconds so its either running like a bag of crap or you cant drive, mine was 340 and i do a lot of track days, so does my cousin, but the rs is terrible round track, ive driven it round knockhill may times, the car pulls away from it with ease and thats on the straights.

**jay**

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Honestly get a vf 34 550 injectors fmic and simtec on it,340bhp you will change your mind, that was all that was done too mine and it was very quick.

Ash170990

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No it wasnt intended to be a ford vs subaru thread but it seems to have turned that way just cause i compared the handling on the scooby to my old car lol

yeah see mine only has p1 suspension and arb's alk etc etc... so i think it needs some proper coilovers and go from there....


strange....

Infected by sti

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I have owned a couple of other 4 wheel drive cars such as a couple of pulsars and an Evo 3 then there was a big gap for a few years before jumping back in to another 4 wheel drive which was my uk Sti blob non DCCD.

I must be honest getting in to it at first was a bit of an eye opener learning the handling characteristics and what it was going to do if I lifted off the throttle for what ever reason, it did catch me once or twice ill be honest but nothing to really worry about, give it a little bit more on the steering and a boot full of power and she soon sorted her self out. Since then I have gone on to the jdm blob with DCCD, I literally stepped out of mine and in to my new one within a few minuets and driving wise

What a totally different experience, the car was much more livelier out of the bends but also had a lot more power to go with it, I found that getting the balance between throttle and steering was a bit of a bitch compared to my uk car. It took me a little while to settle in to this car to be honest but now i have spent a little time with it giving varied driving styles I have found myself much more settled and confident with it.

Its a total different drive IMO to my uk car, I could drive the uk Sti easier from when I first got in there, it was a bit more forgiving so to speak if you did make a **** up, as long as you weren't driving like a complete **** when it went then getting it back in to shape was pretty straight forward, where as this jdm I'm now in is a different kettle of fish, I daren't lift off the throttle in to a bend like I was first doing, I could feel it getting out of shape and instead ok keeping my foot firm on the throttle I was instinctively lifting a little like you would in a fwd car to get the balance right, as I could feel the rear giving out easier than what my uk car would, but as soon as I gained a bit more confidence with it and learnt to keep my foot down I quickly realised that it would hold on alot better than what I was imagining, it doesn't like being softy softy with it when your in to a bend, I found you have to stay committed and have faith in the car and it will do what its suppose to do ( within reason ) its a bit like my m3 tbh, when its out there just keep it down and give it a bit more steering input and it behaves as you want it to, I'm still not as sharp as i would like to be with it, but its like any car given time to get to grips with it and you will have a much better outcome / experience, when I first got my m3 steering from the rear it went against everything I knew being all fwd cars mostly, but again what a fantastic handling car when you get it!

The jdm car with DCCD car is a totally different ball game to the uk Sti IMO, same as coming from a fwd focus I suppose, if the majority of cars you have owned have been fwd then I'm not surprised it was a big shock to the system through the bends, but once you get to know it I'm sure you will be showing the heels to a few quicker cars through the twisties I'm not trying to say your a bad driver by no means ash I don know you, but if you are finding it difficult to find the limit of grip or to have confidence in the car, I would highly recommend getting to a big open space and get to grips with it, or even have a drivers day experience, it can only benefit you just remember, to find the limit of grip you have to exceed it, just make sure there nothing about to go wrong when you get to that stage

Ash170990

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Been speaking to Zen already got to give them a call to discuss prices etc properly but i was thinking GT30/35 as its going to be a full on track toy now, so was going to aim for 400-450 with the posibility to go more...

Tidgy

might not be the case, might be a geom issue, or might be you being a pansy lol (only joking)

mine got very twitchy (which doesnt inspire confidence in it) at high speeds and when pushing it untill i upgraded alot.

pretty sure a standard ra is quicker than 4.9 0-60 though?

**jay**

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Will need 6 speed or ppg and forged engine at that level, but it will be fun

Tidgy

gt30 is ott for 450, sc46 or sc42 all the way

Ash170990

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yeah, well, having a quick look into it, im expecting to spend around 10k to get it to where i want it.....

as said its mainly just to future proof it, i dont want to spend say 600-800 on the sc then have to spend another 1000+ on the GT to go more, id rather do it in the first place then its there ready lol

Tidgy

problem with doing that is it will be laggy by comparison. you shoudl decide what you wanna do. 2.5 running 450bhp will be very rapid indeed and near 500ftlb. With the weight are you relay gonna need any mroe than that? costs get exponential as you go up the bhp scale

Ash170990

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arent the 2.5's prone to blowing up when modded? i thoguht id read that a few times on here.... i want it to be as reliable as possible, but as said ive got to speak to Zen to confirm whats going to go ahead etc and whats the best route to take...

Tidgy

depends if its built right, 2.5 forge pistons, uprated rods will be great for 450.

Scoobyclinic do an off the shelf package,

http://scoobyclinic.com/services_per...ning_sc450.htm

jura11

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Hi there

We're tried new RS and must admit,I love how it looks,but that's it.Power delivery not sure,if I would be happy,very similar torque steer to the Megane F1(which we have before,in dry awesome car and at wet,sometimes too dangerous)

If Subaru are overrated?

Not sure,but depends on driver as Tommy said,nut if car have bad setup you will struggle transmit power on the road,I remember our first track day in our wagon with wrong setup and car has been really fast on straights,but at corners we are struggled,or on drag strip,when we are on our first attempt stall the engine

About the yours choices,get sorted wheel alignment with good ARB's,droplinks and you have nice car

About the turbo,if you have budget 2.1L with SC42 or MDX321T I would choose everyday for fast road car with nice 420-450bhp

Good luck there


Jura