Wet handling in new STi
22 May 2002, 02:36 PM
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Thinking about X Soooby's point about booting it in the wet....
a) presumably, the demo car had only a couple of 100 miles on it? How long does it take to "run in" the 040's? Doesn't it take a good 500 miles to run in SO2/3's? are the 040's the same? If so, perhaps the tyres weren't giving their best yet...
b) if you were to boot the car in the wet as stated, presumably one wheel (presumably the front) will start spinning 1st? The LSD will transfer torque to the other wheel (?) which will then start spinning? You now have both front wheels spining? Centre diff transfers torque rearwards and if enough power is applied, the same thing will happen at the rear? Result, all four wheels spinning and car lunging sideways.....????
This probably wouldn't happen in the old car as the open front diff would just let the 1st wheel that starts spinning to light up and continue whilst the other wheels do their own thing. In simple terms, the STi can take more finesse to drive fast/on the limit in the wet compared to the old car?
Presumably the flip side of this coin is that you can extract more cornering speed from it in the dry?
From a personal point of view, I drove the STi and I like the feel from the front LSD and the fact that the car requires more finess to drive fast....if I wasn't difficult/involving, what fun would it be?
Just my thoughts,
Matt
P.S. Still gotta couple of weeks to wait before I can start getting to know the STi properly...
a) presumably, the demo car had only a couple of 100 miles on it? How long does it take to "run in" the 040's? Doesn't it take a good 500 miles to run in SO2/3's? are the 040's the same? If so, perhaps the tyres weren't giving their best yet...
b) if you were to boot the car in the wet as stated, presumably one wheel (presumably the front) will start spinning 1st? The LSD will transfer torque to the other wheel (?) which will then start spinning? You now have both front wheels spining? Centre diff transfers torque rearwards and if enough power is applied, the same thing will happen at the rear? Result, all four wheels spinning and car lunging sideways.....????
This probably wouldn't happen in the old car as the open front diff would just let the 1st wheel that starts spinning to light up and continue whilst the other wheels do their own thing. In simple terms, the STi can take more finesse to drive fast/on the limit in the wet compared to the old car?
Presumably the flip side of this coin is that you can extract more cornering speed from it in the dry?
From a personal point of view, I drove the STi and I like the feel from the front LSD and the fact that the car requires more finess to drive fast....if I wasn't difficult/involving, what fun would it be?
Just my thoughts,
Matt
P.S. Still gotta couple of weeks to wait before I can start getting to know the STi properly...
22 May 2002, 02:42 PM
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I test drove in the wet and thought it wonderful. Yes, it could catch you out, but it seemed to do what I wanted it to do rather than the more "inert" feeling of my MY00. This was out of the box with standard wheels/tyres and geometry.
Understeer was handled better than the MY00 in my limited experience of caning it around a wet roundabout, building speed on every circuit. Slight lift, **** comes out, then accelerate again and it stays there.
It's a lot more of a driver's car, and is set up that way. I can see a lot going backwards through hedges - I believe Dave made this point upon picking his up...
I'd love one.
Understeer was handled better than the MY00 in my limited experience of caning it around a wet roundabout, building speed on every circuit. Slight lift, **** comes out, then accelerate again and it stays there.
It's a lot more of a driver's car, and is set up that way. I can see a lot going backwards through hedges - I believe Dave made this point upon picking his up...
I'd love one.
22 May 2002, 04:02 PM
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Having fitted a decent front LSD to my STI years ago I was expecting a thread like this to turn up when subaru finally started fitting LSDs on the front of a relatively high sales volume model.
Golden rule: Don't run before you can walk!
Take it easy at first and build you competence alongside your confidence. Don't expect it to behave like your previous (open front diff) UK model scooby when driven on the limit, it won't.
Getting the geometry adjusted to a known working setup is also a very good idea.
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Golden rule: Don't run before you can walk!
Take it easy at first and build you competence alongside your confidence. Don't expect it to behave like your previous (open front diff) UK model scooby when driven on the limit, it won't.
Getting the geometry adjusted to a known working setup is also a very good idea.
Moray
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23 May 2002, 09:32 AM
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HEY DJ140
read CHIARK's comments......
The car is a good car....
You just need to know how to drive.
WHat you should be bagging is your poor driving skills rather than blaming it on the car.
I wonder what you guys would say if you all drove HSV V8 Commodores. You would be spinning everywhere....& blaming the car I suppose.
Grow up. its not the car...
read CHIARK's comments......
The car is a good car....
You just need to know how to drive.
WHat you should be bagging is your poor driving skills rather than blaming it on the car.
I wonder what you guys would say if you all drove HSV V8 Commodores. You would be spinning everywhere....& blaming the car I suppose.
Grow up. its not the car...
23 May 2002, 12:15 PM
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bugwaan,
Whilst I agree with you in principle, could you be a little less aggresive about it? That goes for you too DJ140!!!!!
Matt
[Edited by mutant_matt - 5/23/2002 12:16:12 PM]
Whilst I agree with you in principle, could you be a little less aggresive about it? That goes for you too DJ140!!!!!
Matt
[Edited by mutant_matt - 5/23/2002 12:16:12 PM]
23 May 2002, 03:45 PM
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Agree totally with DaveTS.
Had a MY97, loved it. Had a MY01, hated it. Understatement.
STi7 is absolutely brilliant. Just been away for a week and to get back and drive it was great. This must be the best Scoob I have had because I have had it for 7 weeks and it is only now I want an R34 as well.
Had a MY97, loved it. Had a MY01, hated it. Understatement.
STi7 is absolutely brilliant. Just been away for a week and to get back and drive it was great. This must be the best Scoob I have had because I have had it for 7 weeks and it is only now I want an R34 as well.
24 May 2002, 12:28 AM
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Very strange.
In the last 100 miles things have suddenly improved. Maybe my driving style has changed without me being aware but it definitely seems to understeer less than it did 2 weeks ago. The only explanation that I can come up with is the new tyres scrubbing in, but 2000 miles to do this, surely not.
Bugwaan
Yes it is a good car, that's why I chose it. This is my third Impreza (I've owned once continuously since 1995) so I know these cars well. I don't pretend that I am anything other than an amateur when it comes to fast driving but I can tell when a car understeers readily. This STi certainly used to, and much more than either of the two previous ones. Why the situation has rectified itself, I do not know. Anyway, what are your advanced driving credentials?
D.
In the last 100 miles things have suddenly improved. Maybe my driving style has changed without me being aware but it definitely seems to understeer less than it did 2 weeks ago. The only explanation that I can come up with is the new tyres scrubbing in, but 2000 miles to do this, surely not.
Bugwaan
Yes it is a good car, that's why I chose it. This is my third Impreza (I've owned once continuously since 1995) so I know these cars well. I don't pretend that I am anything other than an amateur when it comes to fast driving but I can tell when a car understeers readily. This STi certainly used to, and much more than either of the two previous ones. Why the situation has rectified itself, I do not know. Anyway, what are your advanced driving credentials?
D.
