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Old Dec 21, 2012 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wayne9t9
It`s all going to be ok. The NRA today announce that they want to put armed police officers in all schools and allow the teachers to be armed. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...tect-students/ Seems the answer to the gun problem is more guns

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
The obvious argument is to have more guns not less

If the teachers were packing weapons, and you had a machine gun nest in a watchtower, maybe the perps would think twice

Or maybe not
And I beat the NRA to it by a week

The Americans really have run out of ideas

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Old Dec 21, 2012 | 07:46 PM
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How great is it to live in this country where gun ownership is so so rare. Yes we have our horrors like Dunblane and our **** areas, but imagine sending your child to school with metal detectors and armed guards? The wealthiest nation in the world, Americans have to wake up and get rid of their stupid fkin' guns. What f'kin idiots.
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Old Dec 21, 2012 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
.....sure, you can kill with a knife but not from a distance and with repeatable results, you cant kill everyone in a room like you can with a machine gun.
I don't disagree but this kinda says you can get similar results with any armed nutter. Gun, knife, samurai sword, chainsaw etc. in the wrong hands can create carnage: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Ch...315/story.html
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Old Dec 21, 2012 | 08:23 PM
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Armed Guards protecting an elementary school?
For the NRA to say that the reason these kids are dead is because they weren't surrounded by ENOUGH guns in their lives, should offend every American. Heck, as a human being I am offended!
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 12:53 AM
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sadly a once great nation full of hope and aspiration - bankrupt financially and ideologically
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 09:31 AM
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Crazy ideas the yanks
Armed guards at every school

If mr looney shooter decides to go on a rampage he is going to shoot the guard first
Every gun should be taken and crushed and have tough laws like the uk
Yes there will be an odd incident same as uk but its education and making children not grow up with guns and aware of what a gun can do
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Old Dec 23, 2012 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by lordharding
Crazy ideas the yanks
Armed guards at every school


If mr looney shooter decides to go on a rampage he is going to shoot the guard first
Every gun should be taken and crushed and have tough laws like the uk
Yes there will be an odd incident same as uk but its education and making children not grow up with guns and aware of what a gun can do
Is it so crazy though, in a country that already has so many guns, and so little prospect of getting rid of them?
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Old Dec 23, 2012 | 09:06 PM
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I heard that Canada has just the same amount of guns as America but due to positive news on TV people are not as 'mental'

I don't know how much truth there is to the above but I thought I'd share.
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Old Dec 23, 2012 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RobsyUK
I heard that Canada has just the same amount of guns as America but due to positive news on TV people are not as 'mental'

I don't know how much truth there is to the above but I thought I'd share.
Canada certainly has a lot of guns compared with the UK (around 6 times as many per capita), but still runs a very long way behind the US, with nearly 3 times fewer per capita than its southern neighbour, and in plain numbers a staggering 260 million less actual guns.
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Old Dec 24, 2012 | 11:22 AM
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J4ckos mate sent me a link saying that since Sandy Hook, 500 people in the US have died due to firearms, unbeleiveable, apparently firearms will overtake road deaths as the main non medical cause of death in the US in the next couple of years, cars get safer, guns and people dont.

The NRA are arseholes, plain and simple, a big boys club so they can play with their pop guns and shoot anyone they like with the slightest justification, they rattle on about the "Right to Bear arms" like it is all the justification anyone ever needs to own as much millitary hardware as possible, they are feeling very exposed at the moment and their only answer is "more guns", that will never be the answer, the more guns, the more people die due to being shot, with no guns in circulation you would have a zero firearms fatality record, with the current ownership 30,000 people die in the US every year from homicides, suicides and accidental shootings, if they made gun ownership and carrying compulsary it would be a bloodbath. How does an organisation like this wield so much power and why are people so fixated with owning a stick that fires projectiles fast enough to kill someone ?

A three year old killed himself playing with his uncles gun the other day, how often does that happen, how often does a kid manage just to blow a hole in the ceiling and nobody finds out.

The US spent billions chasing Osama Bin Laden (and then Killed Him), OBL never killed as many people as the US gun owners, 30,000 deaths, OBL should have just offered a subsidsed mail order website to supply cheap firearms to the American public and they would do his work for free, even 911 didnt kill that many people, that was about a months worth of gun victims.

I suspect before 2013 is out there will be other massacres, I really hope not but there seems to be a trend, may be down to economics or perhaps just the power of suggestion, people do look to others for ways to behave and somethign they may have never considered becomes a possibility, like terrorists and their fixation with making airliners fall from the sky I think the school thing is all to publicised at the moment, there will be ostracised youths out there with access to guns who now may well be planning their own Sandy Hook, without firearms they would have no easy way to cause death on such a scale.


The Americans need our gun laws, but that will never happen, would be civil war.
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Old Dec 24, 2012 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
J4ckos mate sent me a link saying that since Sandy Hook, 500 people in the US have died due to firearms, unbeleiveable, apparently firearms will overtake road deaths as the main non medical cause of death in the US in the next couple of years, cars get safer, guns and people dont.

The NRA are arseholes, plain and simple, a big boys club so they can play with their pop guns and shoot anyone they like with the slightest justification, they rattle on about the "Right to Bear arms" like it is all the justification anyone ever needs to own as much millitary hardware as possible, they are feeling very exposed at the moment and their only answer is "more guns", that will never be the answer, the more guns, the more people die due to being shot, with no guns in circulation you would have a zero firearms fatality record, with the current ownership 30,000 people die in the US every year from homicides, suicides and accidental shootings, if they made gun ownership and carrying compulsary it would be a bloodbath. How does an organisation like this wield so much power and why are people so fixated with owning a stick that fires projectiles fast enough to kill someone ?

A three year old killed himself playing with his uncles gun the other day, how often does that happen, how often does a kid manage just to blow a hole in the ceiling and nobody finds out.

The US spent billions chasing Osama Bin Laden (and then Killed Him), OBL never killed as many people as the US gun owners, 30,000 deaths, OBL should have just offered a subsidsed mail order website to supply cheap firearms to the American public and they would do his work for free, even 911 didnt kill that many people, that was about a months worth of gun victims.

I suspect before 2013 is out there will be other massacres, I really hope not but there seems to be a trend, may be down to economics or perhaps just the power of suggestion, people do look to others for ways to behave and somethign they may have never considered becomes a possibility, like terrorists and their fixation with making airliners fall from the sky I think the school thing is all to publicised at the moment, there will be ostracised youths out there with access to guns who now may well be planning their own Sandy Hook, without firearms they would have no easy way to cause death on such a scale.


The Americans need our gun laws, but that will never happen, would be civil war.
Is it any more or less unbelievable that within that same time period in Japan, a country with less than half the population of the US, and a private firearm ownership rate of near-enough zero, pretty much same number of people will have committed suicide?

I'm fully aware that I'm playing devil's advocate here slightly, but in both cases I think it would be fair to say you'd be talking about changing or legislating an entire nation's psychology, if you wanted to make any serious dent in either of those figures.
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Old Dec 24, 2012 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by markjmd
Is it any more or less unbelievable that within that same time period in Japan, a country with less than half the population of the US, and a private firearm ownership rate of near-enough zero, pretty much same number of people will have committed suicide?

I'm fully aware that I'm playing devil's advocate here slightly, but in both cases I think it would be fair to say you'd be talking about changing or legislating an entire nation's psychology, if you wanted to make any serious dent in either of those figures.
No, you are right, dont think it will ever change, they need to get used to thousands of avoidable deaths every year.

I wonder how long, if real Santa would last in the US, I reckon he would be dead within the first five minutes of his rounds.
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Old Dec 24, 2012 | 02:21 PM
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There are protests to deport Perce Morgan after his comment about guns in America!
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Old Dec 24, 2012 | 03:16 PM
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Americans conflate the idea and concept of gun ownership with freedom

Until that is addressed, which is impossible, nothing will change

A nation condemned by history, v sad really
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Old Dec 24, 2012 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RobsyUK
There are protests to deport Perce Morgan after his comment about guns in America!
Americans are ok as long as you are on their side on any issue, they dont like criticism, to be fair Piers Morgan is a bit of a dick, but he does have a point.

Sometimes I feel have as much in common with a lot of Americans, i.e. the Christian, God Fearing "***" Hating, Right Wing, Conservative, Gun loving middle America, they are kind of like Extreme versions of Daily Mail readers over here, raised on the ideal that America can do no wrong and is the best place in the world "God Bless America" etc, sometimes every bit as zealous and brainwashed than the Taliban. There is much intelligent life over there as well, I work with some really great Americans and it is good to see we kind of take the best from each other, they arent all gun nuts and some are anti gun.

I can see how it would be difficult for them to relinquish weapons, it is slightly unfair on millions of responsible gun owners for whom hunting is part of a lifestyle but personally I think the stakes are too high now, I also think it would be impossible to remove weapons entirely, I just dont have an answer, only worked over here as we are more controllable and guns arent as mainstream.
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