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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 06:24 PM
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Default Another mass School shooting in the States.

Reports suggest 26 dead including 18 Kindergarten children(entire class) Another ******* psycho on the rampage with a gun! Why do they choose schools?

http://news.sky.com/story/1025684/li...chool-shooting

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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 06:27 PM
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Terrible. A whole class of young kids. This is a real tragedy.

You do know this will have no effect on the US gun laws or the attitude of the NRA.
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 06:29 PM
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Was on holiday in the summer and met a great guy from the U S. I asked him if the cinema shootings for the Batman film (I think it was Batman) had turned him against guns and actually said no man in fact I'm gonna get another so I have one downstairs as well as upstairs. Go figure, they're all mad
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Myles
Terrible. A whole class of young kids. This is a real tragedy.

You do know this will have no effect on the US gun laws or the attitude of the NRA.
I fear you are correct.

Thank god we live in a country that doesn't allow guns to be freely available
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Myles
Terrible. A whole class of young kids. This is a real tragedy.

You do know this will have no effect on the US gun laws or the attitude of the NRA.
TBH, could they even Police guns in America these days?.....it seems everyone has one...I cant imagine what the parents must be going through at this time, so sad.

CNN has just reported they have arrested a second shooter.
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:06 PM
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**** em, quite honestly, thyve all the right to bear arms and shoot each other -what do I care
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
**** em, quite honestly, thyve all the right to bear arms and shoot each other -what do I care
Not sure the kids had much of a chance to shoot back though
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**** em, quite honestly, thyve all the right to bear arms and shoot each other -what do I care
I don't want to start an argument here so please take this in the manner its meant.

THE FVCKING KINDERGARTEN KIDS DON'T BEAR ARMS, THEY HAD THE MISFORTUNE TO BE BORN INTO A COUNTRY WHERE ITS LIKE ****ING DODGE CITY.

I just hope they didn't suffer too much.
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:13 PM
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I don't think the underlying problem is the availability of guns as such, this is just the inevitable conclusion
I think the root lies more within the appalling US education system, where it's expected of even the teachers to bully kids who aren't 'normal'

They don't have these incidents in Canada or Switzerland, and they both have heavily armed civilian populations
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Myles
I don't want to start an argument here so please take this in the manner its meant.

THE FVCKING KINDERGARTEN KIDS DON'T BEAR ARMS, THEY HAD THE MISFORTUNE TO BE BORN INTO A COUNTRY WHERE ITS LIKE ****ING DODGE CITY.

I just hope they didn't suffer too much.
And actually nobody chooses to be born, it's a futile argument
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
And actually nobody chooses to be born, it's a futile argument
Ok I'll bite then.

They are children, doesn't matter what nationality they are. Just kids who were probably winding up school ready for Xmas, thinking nice thoughts, what they are getting from Santa.
They didn't deserve this.
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
I don't think the underlying problem is the availability of guns as such, this is just the inevitable conclusion
I think the root lies more within the appalling US education system, where it's expected of even the teachers to bully kids who aren't 'normal'

They don't have these incidents in Canada or Switzerland, and they both have heavily armed civilian populations
But if, as it's likley to be, this is some disgruntled ex pupil wouldn't they have less chance to trash everyone if guns won't so abundant?

(in my school/day misfits would merely attempt to burn the place down)
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
And actually nobody chooses to be born, it's a futile argument

Certainly futile discussing it with you then.
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
I don't think the underlying problem is the availability of guns as such, this is just the inevitable conclusion
I think the root lies more within the appalling US education system, where it's expected of even the teachers to bully kids who aren't 'normal'

They don't have these incidents in Canada or Switzerland, and they both have heavily armed civilian populations
Perhaps to a lesser extent here in Canada, but we do have shootings like this. There was a nutter in montreal that had a thing against women and killed a fair few at a college type place a fair while back.

Toronto has it's shooting events, the Eaton Center and surrounding area has been witness to a couple of shootings (usually stupid gansta types) in the past couple of years.
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
But if, as it's likley to be, this is some disgruntled ex pupil wouldn't they have less chance to trash everyone if guns won't so abundant?

(in my school/day misfits would merely attempt to burn the place down)
It is different over here. An ex-school nutcase turned up at the gates one day, standing in the pose of a late 1800s pugilist.
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:25 PM
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I think it's the amount of weirdo's over there, rather than the gun control.
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Myles
It is different over here. An ex-school nutcase turned up at the gates one day, standing in the pose of a late 1800s pugilist.
Exactly, the yanks just have no style
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:26 PM
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http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/...charged-murder

Imagine if this man had a gun to hand.
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:27 PM
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I think it's the amount of weirdo's over there, rather than the gun control.
It was a weirdo with a gun!

The problem is there is very little actual 'control'
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:29 PM
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It just happens with such tedious regularity, I think getting rid of privately owned guns over here (apart from the obvious exceptions like Shotguns) was the correct reaction, I would rather speak to an upset gun enthusiast than a recently bereaved parent of a child executed by a gun enthusiast.

You give someone a gun one day and the next they can have some kind of trauma that alters their mental state and they go ape, the problem is that a gun is so effective at killing, it is its only reason to exist, killing things and it can keep going and going as long as it gets a supply of bullets, sure, you can kill with a knife but not from a distance and with repeatable results, you cant kill everyone in a room like you can with a machine gun.

America will never, ever change, the NRA are too powerful and being callous, the odd massacre is nothing compared to what would happen if they tried to ban guns, it would be war, guns are too entrenched in the culture, gun enthusiasts are not regarded as nutters like over here, it is very normal. The country is pretty wild, it is a huge place and there are too many guns, they arent apt to put up with the legislation we are faced with in all spheres of life. There is an arms race over there, like the guy mentioned who buys another gun in reaction to a mass shooting.
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
It was a weirdo with a gun!

The problem is there is very little actual 'control'
My point is that these weirdo's obviously want to kill people. Ban guns and they'll probably use knives.

Not saying i agree with their gun laws at all, but banning guns won't stop killings if someone is intent on doing it.
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
My point is that these weirdo's obviously want to kill people. Ban guns and they'll probably use knives.

Not saying i agree with their gun laws at all, but banning guns won't stop killings if someone is intent on doing it.
I disagree. Be damned hard to kill 30 people in a few minutes with a knife.

It's the act of using the gun that is so attractive to some people. A knife would be far less appealing I would suggest

Banning guns won't stop killings of course, but it would dramatically reduce them

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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Myles
Terrible. A whole class of young kids. This is a real tragedy.

You do know this will have no effect on the US gun laws or the attitude of the NRA.
+1

My heart goes out to those poor kids and their families
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Funkii Munkii
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My heart goes out to those poor kids and their families

+2 ....
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Funkii Munkii
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My heart goes out to those poor kids and their families

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At this time of year too.
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would need to be proper ****ed up to be able to shoot a kid tho.
it was even very young kids. pretty sick like.

Maybe they need to tighten security at kids schools? hire an armed guard or 2 (even if just tazer guns) and metal detectors etc.

make it part of the budget every school gets..
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
I don't think the underlying problem is the availability of guns as such, this is just the inevitable conclusion
I think the root lies more within the appalling US education system, where it's expected of even the teachers to bully kids who aren't 'normal'

They don't have these incidents in Canada or Switzerland, and they both have heavily armed civilian populations
Thats an interesting post, and i think I would agree with you
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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 09:40 PM
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Is it me or do all shootings happen in Connecticut ? it's sad to hear about the kiddies but i thought after the last shooting they were all installing metal detectors.
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There you go he's related, he had access
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Originally Posted by dpb
**** em, quite honestly, thyve all the right to bear arms and shoot each other -what do I care
You should be ashamed of yourself...
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