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Thing is though where do you draw the line at this sort of thing?
For instance I haven't got kids and don't want any, but yet part of my taxes go towards education. Why shoud I pay to educate someone else's kids?
It's not black and white (pardon the pun) and it's how and where you draw the line I struggle with!
For instance I haven't got kids and don't want any, but yet part of my taxes go towards education. Why shoud I pay to educate someone else's kids?
It's not black and white (pardon the pun) and it's how and where you draw the line I struggle with!
We need to basically raise the drawbridge and only open it to those who look like they will provide a benefit and a quota of asylum seekers, let people in like into a nightclub (but not as crowded and noisy) , a set number we don't go above, as people die or leave we let more in, allowing for the birthrate and keep the population to a number the systems can support. If people commit crime or dont work, they get a one way ticket back home.
Being too soft isnt getting us anywhere is it.
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Simple Answer: "This country is a soft Target!"
What gets me is that I heard that imigrants from eastern Europe come into this country. Work and if they can prove it don't pay tax in this country if they pay tax back at their own country of origin. Yet, they use our schools, Libraries, NHS etc.. at no cost to them. Yet I pay tax in this country. Its stupid. Rant over...
What gets me is that I heard that imigrants from eastern Europe come into this country. Work and if they can prove it don't pay tax in this country if they pay tax back at their own country of origin. Yet, they use our schools, Libraries, NHS etc.. at no cost to them. Yet I pay tax in this country. Its stupid. Rant over...
You do understand that just because you heard it, doesn't actually make it true?
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Simple Answer: "This country is a soft Target!"
What gets me is that I heard that imigrants from eastern Europe come into this country. Work and if they can prove it don't pay tax in this country if they pay tax back at their own country of origin. Yet, they use our schools, Libraries, NHS etc.. at no cost to them. Yet I pay tax in this country. Its stupid. Rant over...
What gets me is that I heard that imigrants from eastern Europe come into this country. Work and if they can prove it don't pay tax in this country if they pay tax back at their own country of origin. Yet, they use our schools, Libraries, NHS etc.. at no cost to them. Yet I pay tax in this country. Its stupid. Rant over...
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I probably have way more experience of this issue than you'll ever have. Whereas I suspect you are just regurgitating what some right-wing nut-job down the pub tells you
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Yeah but my point is why should I pay for any of that. Your son, an immigrant's son. Any of it? I am not draining society's resources by sprogging right, left and centre so I should pay less into the sytem
Just playing devil's advocate here btw
You can't just make a sweeping statement. Some immigrants come here and pay into the system, some don't through no fault of their own and some take the p1ss. Same for the indigenous population. The system that allows this needs looking at and it isn't just about immigration!
Just playing devil's advocate here btw
You can't just make a sweeping statement. Some immigrants come here and pay into the system, some don't through no fault of their own and some take the p1ss. Same for the indigenous population. The system that allows this needs looking at and it isn't just about immigration!
Imho there are too many immigrants here which is where the OP started, someone turn off the fookin immigration tap for a while pls
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You condescending toss pot.
My experience comes from being in the supposed jobs the 'work shy' English indigenous supposedly refuse to work. My last two jobs in fact which covered September 2002 - August 2008. Working on factory and warehouse shop floors mixing and working with said immigrant work force. Not sat in some team-leader/managers office licking the next levels up **** hole (how's that for a Martin2005 assumption eh?).
Seeing said immigrants come into what is a well paid (for this area) warehouse job, Porte around for three months on a probationary scheme they have no intentions of adhering to, them bumming it off to work in a slower paced yet more 'cushty' min wage job.
The above is not assumption, the above is not some liberal left wing ***** with his rose tinted glasses on from managerial level looking down, nope it's from the bottom, where I worked and saw it with my own eyes.
So you take your supposed experience and choke on it
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You condescending toss pot.
My experience comes from being in the supposed jobs the 'work shy' English indigenous supposedly refuse to work. My last two jobs in fact which covered September 2002 - August 2008. Working on factory and warehouse shop floors mixing and working with said immigrant work force. Not sat in some team-leader/managers office licking the next levels up **** hole (how's that for a Martin2005 assumption eh?).
Seeing said immigrants come into what is a well paid (for this area) warehouse job, Porte around for three months on a probationary scheme they have no intentions of adhering to, them bumming it off to work in a slower paced yet more 'cushty' min wage job.
The above is not assumption, the above is not some liberal left wing ***** with his rose tinted glasses on from managerial level looking down, nope it's from the bottom, where I worked and saw it with my own eyes.
So you take your supposed experience and choke on it
And guess what? You couldn't handle it, no surprise there then.
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What you got was me answering your assumptions with factual evidence, experiences I have actually had from actually being there. That's what I threw back at you and you've just shown yourself to backtrack with the above response.
You haven't got any answers to my personal experiences have you? No, didn't think so.
I rest my case.
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Martin, you remind me of that guy on the Fast show, the politician who only ever said, "No, no it won't, no it hasn't, no it doesn't...."
If you could condescend to give us some of YOUR experiences, FROM YOUR LIFE, that support your endless correction of the views of others WITH experience, perhaps we could begin to take you seriously.
Until then, I'm afraid you're as big a wind-up merchant as Lewis.
If you could condescend to give us some of YOUR experiences, FROM YOUR LIFE, that support your endless correction of the views of others WITH experience, perhaps we could begin to take you seriously.
Until then, I'm afraid you're as big a wind-up merchant as Lewis.
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Don't argue with him, he knows better than all of us, his views and experience far outweigh anything than we know or have ever seen.
Last edited by RA Dunk; 12 December 2012 at 04:40 PM. Reason: Because Martin2005 is a cnut.
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No, no, no, no.
What you got was me answering your assumptions with factual evidence, experiences I have actually had from actually being there. That's what I threw back at you and you've just shown yourself to backtrack with the above response.
You haven't got any answers to my personal experiences have you? No, didn't think so.
I rest my case.
What you got was me answering your assumptions with factual evidence, experiences I have actually had from actually being there. That's what I threw back at you and you've just shown yourself to backtrack with the above response.
You haven't got any answers to my personal experiences have you? No, didn't think so.
I rest my case.
I not going to doubt your personal experience, but like I said earlier you are allowing a few anecdotes to govern your overall opinion on this issue.
The whole immigration debate is fine and balanced, it's not all bad or all good, but somewhere in the middle. Yet I see no recognition of this balance in your posts, none at all, it's just all bad.
Sure there are plenty of examples where the system has failed, but the overall impact of immigration on this country has certainly not been all negative.
I work with a team made up largely from immigrant grads, who bring their skills here because there is a market for their talents here in the UK. They are not taking anyone elses job away, they are fulfilling a need. They earn good money and pay significant tax.
I would add that I work in London, and London simply could not function without a massive immigrant workforce.
In other words there is a free market for labour across Europe. Are we now going to become socialist and reject the workings of the market?
Immigration must be controlled of course, but we cannot do this out of ideology, we should only do it for the national interest and with the long-term in mind.
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Martin, you remind me of that guy on the Fast show, the politician who only ever said, "No, no it won't, no it hasn't, no it doesn't...."
If you could condescend to give us some of YOUR experiences, FROM YOUR LIFE, that support your endless correction of the views of others WITH experience, perhaps we could begin to take you seriously.
Until then, I'm afraid you're as big a wind-up merchant as Lewis.
If you could condescend to give us some of YOUR experiences, FROM YOUR LIFE, that support your endless correction of the views of others WITH experience, perhaps we could begin to take you seriously.
Until then, I'm afraid you're as big a wind-up merchant as Lewis.
'Which gives us some real life experience rather than regurgitating some kelp in a report written by a 'think tank' - CoB
At least acknowledge this.
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Sorry, but that is no more or less condescending than telling someone that their real life experiences 'cloud their view'.... which is effectively telling them their view is wrong (and of course, by implication, yours is right!)
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Here in Scunthorpe the experience is vastly different. The overwhelming majority of Eastern European workers are working in minimum wage jobs or at car washes. They drift between jobs at various factories/warehouses usually depending on the workload or season.
When unemployed I applied at a newly opened factory for tin can production. I was turned back because I wasn't Eastern European because that was the companies preference. Why? Company based in Poland. It isn't right but I was told this by a receptionist and then reiterated by a manager, both iirc were Polish.
Anyway I digress, you have your wealth of qualified Eastern European graduates and we have them here, unqualified to that level in the majority, working the min wage jobs.
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What I did say and is patently right that a few anecdotes don't mean that ALL immigration is bad.
Are you disagreeing with that?