Tidgy

No need, France and spain have already said they would vote scotland joining. Not that they will need to, scotland wont qualify to join on financial grounds anyway.

Wee jimmy cranky is the leed lemming

tony de wonderful

Same for any local authority areas in England, Wales or Northern Ireland that voted to Remain.

Is Scotland supposed to get some veto on UK foreign policy?

Tidgy

i think she wants to be wee jimmy queen of scots

ALi-B

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Spain allowing a separatist state to join the EU would be the green light for them giving the Basque region full independence. That ain't gonna happen; It would be the equivalent of uniting Ireland with NI

Tidgy

not an issue wee jimmy cranky has considered by the looks of it

alcazar

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Has she considered ANYTHING except getting herself in the limelight again?

This really is an odious hate-filled little bitch.

jonc

So Sturgeon wants Scotland to be independent from the UK but still be governed by the European Union and have access to the Single Market whilst jeopardising its market access to the UK whose trade is currently 4 times the size of their EU trade. And then forego monetary independence by her instance that Scotland will continue to use the Pound Sterling underwritten by the Bank of England even though EU membership requires the adoption of the Euro. Good luck with that!

I want her to have her independence, just purely for the comedy value. LOL!

Tidgy

Problem is by the time the **** hits the fan her term will be up and she'll Swan off into the sunset.

DTB

It's all going to get very personal again if it does go ahead. The divisions that opened up between family members, friends, neighbours, etc the last time have never healed.

BMWhere?

The rosy ideals of Brexit and dreams of returning to past imperial glory are starting to really crumble at the seams now! What fantastic news on Commonwealth day, the start of the collapse of the UK! Scotland will almost certainly vote to leave this time, a united Ireland is almost certainly next (although maybe not a bad thing anyway), then we're left with the Dysfunctional Kingdom of Little England and Wales who probably will abandon us too once they notice the ship sinking!

G.Mac

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I know alot of people who will vote to leave this time round that voted No last time especially after all the vows that were made in the dying days of the referendum have been totally ignored and broken.
The Tory government (labour hasn't done much to help either with their antics in the house of commons) have sealed the fate of the break up of the UK with their total miss-management and disregard of Scotland.

Some of the comments filled with bile above do not help either.

tony de wonderful

I wonder if the same people demanding that the Brexit referendum needed 66.66% majority and 75% turnout will be saying the same about the next Scottish one?

jonc

No, breakup of the UK would be down to Sturgeon and the SNP and it's disregard of the rest of the UK post EU referendum. Scotland voted to remain as part of the UK and as part of the UK, the EU Referendum was the UK's, ie the 4 nations, membership of the EU. Sturgeon/SNP are using the EU Referendum result as another means to stoke up division.

But I think as the time draws on, Sturgeon will change her tune and move away from her independence ambition as it is in no way better economically, as it is with the UK leaving the EU, in separating from the UK and she knows it. Also no more Barnett subsidy will undoubtedly mean massive hikes in taxes in order to maintain its spending on public services and can no longer rely on tax revenues from the oil industry. Personally I think May should call her bluff, and if Sturgeon does call for another referendum, assuming the UK government will allow it, she'll find out first hand just how much of a massive **** up Cameron made in calling for an EU Referendum.

neil-h

Ignoring the fundamental fact that Scotland is a country and Oxfordshire isn't...

tony de wonderful

So what?

alcazar

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Ah, but it's not. It's a region of the United Kingdom.

And that's how the EU sees it too...unless they want to open a huge can of worms re Catalonia and the Basque country?

Tidgy

Its a non issue though. Scotland wouldn't get let into EU anyway.

The Trooper 1815

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How are the SNP getting on with:

Scottish Schooling?
Scottish NHS?
Scottish Policing?


I also take it you have not understood the points made about the adoption of the Euro, that the French and Spanish already vetoing Scotland's membership, the inability to met the fiscal criterior and the economic benefits of staying in the Union?

ALi-B

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Judging by by the news today she hasn't considered it at all

Obviously spent far too of much her life moaning in Holyrood and Westminster to realise that there are other countries in the EU have independence disputes which are being denied...And Scotland will be given the exception on what grounds?

dpb

Cheap Scotch maybe

Tidgy

cos they want their FEEEDOM!!!!!!!!,,,, hang on a minute,,,,,,, lol

Daft thing is she wants to go from the UK where scotland does get a say, to EU where they will be a tin pot country that no one would listen to even if they were to be allowed in.

Tidgy

Wonder if ship yards can be converted to make it? cos lets face it, ship building will be DOA in scotland, even the ship builders say they would close without the UK navy orders.

andy97

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Scotland has a huge 15 Billion pound deficit.
They do 4 times the volume of trade with the rest of UK compared to the EU.
Each and every person in Scotland is subsidised by the UK government (via English/Welsh population) to the sum £1650 due to the Barnett rule.

SNP are mis-managing Scotland and using the Brexit/independence as a smoke screen.

Its plain to see that Scotland would be in financial difficulties if it were to succeed in breaking away. As mentioned before there is no realistic chance of Scotland becoming and EU member when the likes of Spain are fending off Catalonia's demand to be independent. The money that they hope to come from the EU via grants would likely not materialise, because the UK has just cut the EU budget by 15% by leaving. Its likely all projects are going to be scaled back.

guinnessman2001

Scotland would become a Third World Country within two years if the split with England is ratified.
Job losses would be horrendous with so much business guaranteed to move south of Carlisle to avoid the obvious increase in any taxes.
Also with the SNP policy of unlimited immigration, who will be paying for all the extra social benefits.

Schooling levels in Scotland are already behind the rest of the UK and that's with UK funding. What will it be like without that money?
It won't matter anyway because there will be no inward investment and hence no jobs for the kids leaving school

All the military bases, Faslane, Leuchars, Lossiemouth, Inverkeithing would relocate and Yarrows and Kvaerner yards on the Clyde will close through lack of orders.
Oil revenue rapidly vanishing and big decommissioning bills on the horizon.

Everything points towards a nightmare scenario. No chance of being admitted into the EU, no chance of meeting any fiscal requirements for EU entry, unsure even what currency we'll use, hard border with England affecting any trade.

All because of some deranged woman's teenage dream of an independent Scotland with no thought of the subsequent results.

David Lock

I would like to suggest that if they went independent then we should demand a Trump type wall across the border. That would keep the stroppy kilt brigade and their bloody midges out. Plus when Trump lands Air Force One on the first fairway on his course for a round of golf we could stop him coming to England


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dpb

And youll have to wait past 65 for free bus pass

tony de wonderful

Yeah and all banks would have to leave because Scotland could never bail them out.

Martin2005

I'd of thought you admire her then

Uncle Creepy

*have

john banks

That is even more depressing than I feared. Since the last referendum there hasn't been an opportunity to move pension (would have to get NHS job in England then apply) and property assets (still depressed values) outside Scotland so I sink or swim with the outcome of this.