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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 06:12 AM
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Looks like far too many people believed all the lies coming from Westminster.
Too many people scared of change and just want to continue being Cameron's bitch.
Scotland should be renamed Scotlandshire.
We had a chance and blew it. I'm almost ashamed to be called Scottish now.
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 06:27 AM
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Here's to Salmond crawling back under the rock he came from.
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 06:28 AM
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Scunnered,
And it's that attitude that will bolster up the spilt of your country.
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by scunnered
Looks like far too many people believed all the lies coming from Westminster.
Too many people scared of change and just want to continue being Cameron's bitch.
Scotland should be renamed Scotlandshire.
We had a chance and blew it. I'm almost ashamed to be called Scottish now.
Too many scared of change or too many with intelligence ?
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 06:42 AM
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No matter the outcome england will never be the same, all the promises made have yet to be delivered, other parts of the uk will be now demanding stuff as well going to be a hectic few years I'd think.
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SiPie
Too many scared of change or too many with intelligence ?
That doesn't work either!
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SiPie
Too many scared of change or too many with intelligence ?
Or too many people that were influenced with the lies coming from Westminster. Westminster had far too much to lose. They had to win at all costs.
They told banks and pension companies to tell us our money isn't safe. The told the Supermarkets to tell us that prices would go up. They said our oil will run out. They influenced the media, especially the BBC.
Some of what the government did in this campaign was definitely underhand, possibly even illegal.
Why did they make us mark the ballot paper with a pencil and not a pen?
I think it was rigged.
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 07:15 AM
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Fantastic result

Long live the Union.
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 07:17 AM
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Too many people had unanswered questions. Simple as that.
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 07:29 AM
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The result is the result, it stands. The 'Yes' nationalist were selling a Utopia dream without giving any answers to substantial issues.

The Unionist 'No' were obviously but rightly questioning the unknown consequences of such a separation.

Now we have those who think they were stitched up and have an unfounded irrational dislike even'hatred' whipped up by the nationalist campaign. Just look at the intimidation with attacks on the no voters and their properties. Very sad .

I agree long live the union and good riddance to Salmond
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 07:29 AM
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Let the B1tch fest begin.

Record turnout of which the majority voted NO.

YES lost simples, deal with it.

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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 07:41 AM
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Now now Ditch, you're allowed to gloat a little but don't kick them too much
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:05 AM
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Oh dear me. Some rather upset people in here today LOL.

It's no lie that a change as big As this will have negative effects on both economies for at least a couple years. Add the fact that the Yes campaign's action plan lacks specific details on important issues just added the doubt to anyone who was sceptical. Not to forget that only an idiot will believe a poltitian's own hype (regardless of which side they are on).

Common sense IMO, is it worth the risk? Half the country didn't think so. Good for them.

Unfortunely England Is still lumbered with Scottish mps making decision on English issues, a gripe, but a minor one; The bulk problem is west minster politics in general not satisfing the country as a whole.

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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:05 AM
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LOL yup we lost pure and simple

Now to see what extra powers we get from westmonster
as it turns out even with a no vote
we get to have your cake and eat it too LMFAO
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SiPie
Too many scared of change or too many with intelligence ?
^^^ This.

Bottom line, it's a class thing. It's no shock that the biggest ****holes in Scotland (Glasgow, Dundee) vote Yes while the nicest areas vote No.

No free meal ticket for the scumbo's (not that there actually would have been under Independence) here. If you want a better life make it happen for yourself as opposed to blaming everyone else and the Government

1. Give up the cigarettes and drugs. They are bad for your health and they cost you a fortune.
2. Give up excessive boozing. Limit yourself to a few nights out a month.
3. Don't go on foreign holidays if you can't afford it - holidays are a luxury, not an entitlement.
4. You don't need a £1,000 60" TV, Xbox One or the latest iphone 6. Live within your means.
5. Eat better for better health. McDonalds and Pizza's are and expensive and a bad way to eat.
6. Develop new skills. Pretty much everyone has the internet, there is no excuse not to develop yourself to ensure your are more employable and attractive to businesses and organisations.
7. Realise it's hard work and difficult. Behind pretty much every millionaire that you hate is (usually) someone that worked their **** off making the sacrifices that you are unwilling to make.
8. Finally, appreciate what you have and what the UK Government has given you. For all the jobless layabouts that make zero effort in life; you'd have starved to death and died in almost any other country in the world by now.

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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
LOL yup we lost pure and simple

Now to see what extra powers we get from westmonster
as it turns out even with a no vote
we get to have your cake and eat it too LMFAO
Don't believe the poltitians

They probably may do a few bits and bobs, but they won't make big changes.
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
....we get to have your cake and eat it too LMFAO


And you believe Cameron??

Long Live the Union!!!
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:15 AM
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i wonder, should those that campaigned so hard for independance be made trators? Niz is a prime example,,,,,,,,,, hahahaha

only joking.

TBH i couldn't believe when some of the celeb clowns got involved, andy murray said he voted yes because he felt the no campaign was to negative, FFS, vote on the hard facts, not on a political pissing contest.
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by coupe_20vt


And you believe Cameron??

Long Live the Union!!!

I was being sarcastic
If I believed him I would not of voted yes LOL
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
I was being sarcastic
If I believed him I would not of voted yes LOL
but you bit into salmonds bulls!hit, so why is cameron any different?

there all politions, as bent as a 9 bob note lol
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by scunnered
Or too many people that were influenced with the lies coming from Westminster. Westminster had far too much to lose. They had to win at all costs.
They told banks and pension companies to tell us our money isn't safe. The told the Supermarkets to tell us that prices would go up. They said our oil will run out. They influenced the media, especially the BBC.
Some of what the government did in this campaign was definitely underhand, possibly even illegal.
Why did they make us mark the ballot paper with a pencil and not a pen?
I think it was rigged.
It didn't go the way you hoped so it MUST have been rigged! At least be gracious when snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
^^^ This.

Bottom line, it's a class thing. It's no shock that the biggest ****holes in Scotland (Glasgow, Dundee) vote Yes while the nicest areas vote No.

No free meal ticket for the scumbo's (not that there actually would have been under Independence) here. If you want a better life make it happen for yourself as opposed to blaming everyone else and the Government

1. Give up the cigarettes and drugs. They are bad for your health and they cost you a fortune.
2. Give up excessive boozing. Limit yourself to a few nights out a month.
3. Don't go on foreign holidays if you can't afford it - holidays are a luxury, not an entitlement.
4. You don't need a £1,000 60" TV, Xbox One or the latest iphone 6. Live within your means.
5. Eat better for better health. McDonalds and Pizza's are and expensive and a bad way to eat.
6. Develop new skills. Pretty much everyone has the internet, there is no excuse not to develop yourself to ensure your are more employable and attractive to businesses and organisations.
7. Realise it's hard work and difficult. Behind pretty much every millionaire that you hate is (usually) someone that worked their **** off making the sacrifices that you are unwilling to make.
8. Finally, appreciate what you have and what the UK Government has given you. For all the jobless layabouts that make zero effort in life; you'd have starved to death and died in almost any other country in the world by now.

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^^^^ Spot on.
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:23 AM
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A sad day for Scotland I feel, I think fear of the unknown was probably all that did for them in the end as it would seem Westminster's best efforts to scaremonger them worked.

The saddest thing about this was the No campaign's failure to fight the campaign on a positive note and promote the benefits of Scotland staying instead preferring to a campaign of threats and scaremongering that turned into one almost of intimidation at times.

All I hope now is that the Scots make sure they get their extra powers that were promised as Cameron has a habit of finding a way of never delivering on anything he promises.

As for certain English posters on here I assume the unnecessary vitriol displayed over the last few weeks on these threads will now be replaced by gloating.... you do yourselves no favours frankly!
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
LOL yup we lost pure and simple

Now to see what extra powers we get from westmonster
as it turns out even with a no vote
we get to have your cake and eat it too LMFAO
Well at least you're right on one thing, you got the currency union and the pound, that is definite!
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by andy97
Now now Ditch, you're allowed to gloat a little but don't kick them too much
Kick em while they're down, that way they stay there.
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by scunnered
Or too many people that were influenced with the lies coming from Westminster. Westminster had far too much to lose. They had to win at all costs.
They told banks and pension companies to tell us our money isn't safe. The told the Supermarkets to tell us that prices would go up. They said our oil will run out. They influenced the media, especially the BBC.
Some of what the government did in this campaign was definitely underhand, possibly even illegal.
Why did they make us mark the ballot paper with a pencil and not a pen?
I think it was rigged.
If they did tell the banks to state your money isn't safe - have you proof that wouldn't be the case?

If they did tell the Supermarkets that your prices would go up - have you proof that wouldn't be the case?

Are you telling me your oil won't run out?

Unless you or anyone can put real context to any of the above (informed risk and impact analysis), what is your point? The fact is that the yes campaign couldn't factually state either way, as much as the no campaign couldn't. However, these are some of the key points that had no answer and were/are very important.

By in large the Scottish public have stated they are risk adverse I suspect. Based as to what's on the table, I can't blame them. This is very serious stuff.

Would you suggest it was rigged if you had won by the same majority? The referendum was given, the vote has been cast, the results are in.

Your extreme concern now should be focussed on your country now being potentially split. Infighting now within your own country could be your biggest issue for years to come. Things I suspect, will change forever.... in many ways - you ready for the ride?

I'm not sure people are aware of the Pandora's box opening.
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
A sad day for Scotland I feel, I think fear of the unknown was probably all that did for them in the end as it would seem Westminster's best efforts to scaremonger them worked.

The saddest thing about this was the No campaign's failure to fight the campaign on a positive note and promote the benefits of Scotland staying instead preferring to a campaign of threats and scaremongering that turned into one almost of intimidation at times.

All I hope now is that the Scots make sure they get their extra powers that were promised as Cameron has a habit of finding a way of never delivering on anything he promises.

As for certain English posters on here I assume the unnecessary vitriol displayed over the last few weeks on these threads will now be replaced by gloating.... you do yourselves no favours frankly!
I think you underestimate the will of Scottish people and insult their intelligence if you think the Scots succombed to fear and scaremongering from Westminster. Let's face it, scaremongering, negativity and intimidation was equally rife on both sides of the campaign.

The Scottish people aren't as weak minded to believe in what Westminster said, most Scots don't trust them. How about the Scottish people stood up for what they believed in and voted for what they felt was right for them and right for their country. Because you know what, that just might be true.

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Originally Posted by f1_fan
As for certain English posters on here I assume the unnecessary vitriol displayed over the last few weeks on these threads will now be replaced by gloating.... you do yourselves no favours frankly!
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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 09:03 AM
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I hope there's some devolved power, as promised

Think it was slightly bizarre idea to be a totally different country




( but there's always next time I suppose )

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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 09:10 AM
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Well I have to say Alex Salmond impressed me earlier, he took the defeat in a really dignified manner and from what I saw of his speech he said some really sensible things.
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