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Old Sep 13, 2014 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sweden
But that was the answer to the questions asked

And that a certain head office was and has been located in the uk for a number of years

Don't get me wrong I'm on neither side but at least let them have a fair referendum jesus
There has been alot of lies, corruption and biasness(sp/) from the media and BBC throughout all of this with false stories and editing of certain things to suit ones own agendas, in the last few weeks it's reached a new level TBH.
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Old Sep 13, 2014 | 12:41 PM
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I think I may need to apologise a bit I have been trying to watch this video but due to bad interweb its been buffering and so on but I have now been able to watch it fully and to be fair Samond was not so bad.
You can now see for yourself just how bad the BBC have been over this to meet their own agenda then, and this isn't a one off thing either.
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Old Sep 13, 2014 | 05:35 PM
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So what are the reactions to the"Yes" voters on SN regarding these comments. ..?

JIM SILLARS' RANT IN FULL

The No camp fear mongering has had an effect on me – instead of retiring on 19th. September, I am staying in. This referendum is about power, and when we get a Yes majority, we will use that power for a day of reckoning with BP and the banks.

The heads of these companies are rich men, in cahoots with a rich English Tory Prime Minister, to keep Scotland’s poor, poorer through lies and distortions. The power they have now to subvert our democracy will come to an end with a Yes.

BP, in an independent Scotland, will need to learn the meaning of nationalisation, in part or in whole, as it has in other countries who have not been as soft as we have forced to be. If it wants into the ‘monster fields’ in the areas west of Shetland, it will have to learn to bend the knee to a greater power – us, the sovereign people of Scotland. We will be the masters of the oil fields, not BP or any other of the majors. If Bob Dudley thinks this is mere rhetoric, just let him wait. It is sovereign power that counts. We will have it, he will not.

As for the Bankers. Your casino days, rescued by socialisation of your liabilities while you waltz off with the profits, will be over. You will be split between retail and investment, and if your greed takes the latter down, there will be no rescue. You believe in the market, in future you will live with its discipline. Fail will mean failure.

As for Standard Life, it will be required by new employment laws to give two years warning of any redundancies, and reveal to the trade unions its financial reasons for relocation to any country outside of Scotland, and the costs involved. It has never crossed the minds of our compliant Unionist media, especially the BBC, to ask the Chief Executive what his costings are on his proposed moves.

As for John Lewis, the question is whether the senior management consulted the ‘partners’ or took instructions from Cameron? Another question our supine BBC did not ask. There is now talk of boycott, and if it happens it will be a management own goal.

What kind of people do these companies think we are? They will find out.
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Old Sep 13, 2014 | 06:10 PM
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**** me how many pages of the same old crap. I have to say if I were Scottish I would be voting foe the yes side, it's not the fact that it could hurt you but the fact that in the long run it will be the best way.

If there was a vote to have England separate from all the others how many would be voting yes with their hearts and not their heads
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Old Sep 13, 2014 | 08:01 PM
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I still just dont get it ok the bbc are curupt, Westminster are *****, the bankers are ******ś but how will being able to make choices from in your own country help?. Is it just a case of you will be abel to organise things a bit better? If so in what way and how will that help?

You may say that westminster takes some of the wealth from Scotland but like ive said already the average Scottish person already gets £1200 more per head than we do in England.

I really haven't heard anything that will give the Scottish people a better way of life, saying you can make your own choice isn't really saying how life will be better.

New bankers will move in and mp's will still be in charge, the oil in time will run out and you still wont have a government that you want, well some of you might but as for the rest, some will vote for the other parties (that don't get in) and who ever is left will just vote for the lesser evil as most voters do. Scotland for 17 years have had the government that they voted for but even then that wasn't enough, what will be enough?

P.s I wonder if companys will have to abide by employment laws under a separation? If I had a large uk based company and all of a sudden found my self out of the uk I would expect to be able to cross the border with no penalties and not having to pay redundancy.
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Old Sep 13, 2014 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebt
**** me how many pages of the same old crap. I have to say if I were Scottish I would be voting foe the yes side, it's not the fact that it could hurt you but the fact that in the long run it will be the best way.

If there was a vote to have England separate from all the others how many would be voting yes with their hearts and not their heads
Let's at least make it to 100 pages.
We can't even get a vote on Europe
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Old Sep 13, 2014 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chris j t
I still just dont get it ok the bbc are curupt, Westminster are *****, the bankers are ******ś but how will being able to make choices from in your own country help?. Is it just a case of you will be abel to organise things a bit better? If so in what way and how will that help?

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It is a concept called "self determination"


Look it up, educate yourself
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Old Sep 13, 2014 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
It is a concept called "self determination"


Look it up, educate yourself
But how the hell does that improve quality of life? It just mumbo jumbo.

Running a country is the same as running a business, you need to take the personal side out of it, passion and motivation won't pay the bills.

Right ok you have been give your freedom and the chance to be the master of your own destiny, WHAT DO YOU DO?
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Old Sep 14, 2014 | 02:20 PM
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I have some question which I'm yet to get a satisfied answer with:

What is all of this costing the English tax payer?

And if 'Yes' goes through will I as a English resident see my taxes being spent on faffing around with the implementation of this independence.....or will Scotland be paying for it - as its 'their' decision, not ours.

It'll be beggars belief if the English tax payer has a bigger tax burden to pay for this and teh ramifications if it all goes awry. Piggy backing off the English economy certainly doesn't bode well with me, and I guess by the supposed 'leaked' industry rumours, the commercial and financial sectors aren't pleased about it either.

The end of the day Scotland's success at being independant will not be down to its leaders...but down to what the economic players will dictate. We know how powerful banks are; as they brought a good chunk of the world's economies to its knees.

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Old Sep 14, 2014 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
I have some question which I'm yet to get a satisfied answer with:

What is all of this costing the English tax payer?

And if 'Yes' goes through will I as a English resident see my taxes being spent on faffing around with the implementation of this independence.....or will Scotland be paying for it - as its 'their' decision, not ours.

It'll be beggars belief if the English tax payer has a bigger tax burden to pay for this and teh ramifications if it all goes awry. Piggy backing off the English economy certainly doesn't bode well with me, and I guess by the supposed 'leaked' industry rumours, the commercial and financial sectors aren't pleased about it either.

The end of the day Scotland's success at being independant will not be down to its leaders...but down to what the economic players will dictate. We know how powerful banks are; as they brought a good chunk of the world's economies to its knees.
Half of Scotland will hate the outcome whatever it is. I wonder if former friends and families will ever recover? And what will the English make of a 'No' vote when the Scots get more powers and privileges than them? Things will never be the same again.
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Old Sep 14, 2014 | 08:59 PM
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what happens when BBC decides to be biased and mess with the scottich people ??


Well this happens,,,, glasgow today outside the BBC building LoL



and the yes marching to the BBC glasgow


always nice to see BBC getting their *** handed to them

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Old Sep 14, 2014 | 09:15 PM
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According to some polls they are 47% biased, another poll reckoned 53%
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Old Sep 14, 2014 | 09:29 PM
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ABERDEEN today I was there and just amazing LOL


me and my subaru driving away from the event filmed from someone in the crowd which I found on youtube LOL


GLASGOW - 14th september



INVERNESS - 13TH SEPTEMBER



Cant contain that what was meant to be free !!!
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Old Sep 14, 2014 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80

INVERNESS - 13TH SEPTEMBER

Yes Inverness - YouTube
That's just a rush for the deep fried pasties on offer....

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Old Sep 14, 2014 | 09:47 PM
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That's just a rush for the deep fried pasties on offer....

c'mon zip you know it was deep fried mars bars and not pasties LOL
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Old Sep 14, 2014 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
ABERDEEN today I was there and just amazing LOL

Aberdeen yes flash mob - YouTube

me and my subaru driving away from the event filmed from someone in the crowd which I found on youtube LOL

Aberdeen Yes FlashMob Campaign - YouTube

GLASGOW - 14th september

Scottish Independence - Glasgow - 14/9/14 - the Yes Campaign - YouTube

Glasgow Buchanan Street September 13th. - YouTube

INVERNESS - 13TH SEPTEMBER

Yes Inverness - YouTube

YES Inverness Takeover - YouTube

Cant contain that what was meant to be free !!!
Well according to the You-Gov polls...
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Old Sep 14, 2014 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
yougov polls - surveyed 1063 people


this is dramatically more people polled

this ones from a no scotland website LOL



almost 49k people polled LOL




To be honest as I said before I dont trust any polls at all though
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also I wonder if any of these people were included in that yougov 1063 people poll jonc bud


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Old Sep 14, 2014 | 10:37 PM
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It would be great if the pollsters were way of the mark (either way quite frankly)

And the Scots had been blowing smoke up their ***** all along
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Old Sep 14, 2014 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
also I wounder if any of these people were included in that yougov 1063 people poll jonc bud

Proportionately, I'm sure they've been represented........or there is a possibility that the Kaiser Chiefs might be right!
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Proportionately, I'm sure they've been represented........or there is a possibility that the Kaiser Chiefs might be right!
probably will be with whatever vote wins

but with a yougov poll of 1063 people
and 4.2 million registered people to vote
as said before dont trust any poll as they are totally inaccurate
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Old Sep 14, 2014 | 11:07 PM
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The polls:

Survation survey*for the Better Together campaign: No 54%, Yes 46%
Opinium survey for The Observer: No 53%, Yes 47%
Panelbase survey for The Sunday Times: No 51%, Yes 49%
ICM survey for The Sunday Telegraph: No 46%, Yes 54%

A few days ago I said I'd made my last contribution to the forum. I felt I had said all I wanted to say to reinforce in my mind the reasons for my decision to vote no. Tonight I witnessed a reaction to a speaker posing a question during the debate on television from Stirling. A highly trained female surgeon was giving her views on why it was so important for the future of our health service to remain as part of the UK. I accepted the jeers from the yes voters as they are entitled to their opinions too and both sides were jeering depending on the questions and answers given from opposing sides. The reason I am compelled to write,is I'm utterly ashamed the jeers from the yes side continued on when the surgeon,who's job it is to save lives,spoke about the complexity of rare illnesses and how important it was for us as a country not to sever ties with the rest of the UK.The surgeon said it is essential we have access to the treatments and expertise for the increasingly rare and unheard of illnesses doctors are now discovering,which often require treatment in specialised hospital departments outwith Scotland.I was ashamed beyond measure and we as a nation should take a long hard look at ourselves and show more respect for those who save lives for a living and know what they are talking about.
The YES campaign is aggressive and bullying. Watch the BBC protests today, alone. Hence the less vocal and visible NO
I wonder when YES voters find their child has an illness beyond the expertise of Yorkhill, they will wish they had access to Great Ormond Street.
The yes side are the loudest, end of.

Nizmo80 type tpn into Google and have a look, I am on home tpn and there is only two places in the uk that do home tpn, one is Manchester and the other is London. There are many people that go to the same clinic as I do in Manchester from all over the uk including Scotland, if these people no longer have access to home tpn that Scotland does NOT supply then they will die or have to live in hospital or move to England. Manchester has one of the best intestinal failure wards in the world and with out them I would not be here.

P.S I would love to get a response to the last quote and my example.

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Originally Posted by nizmo80
probably will be with whatever vote wins

but with a yougov poll of 1063 people
and 4.2 million registered people to vote
as said before dont trust any poll as they are totally inaccurate
Pipe down Jizmo, you seem to have gone full retard all over this independence malarky, you're hardly a scot anymore anyway seeing as you are off shore most of your life

Btw no currency = fail, no independence for you
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Pipe down Jizmo, you seem to have gone full retard all over this independence malarky, you're hardly a scot anymore anyway seeing as you are off shore most of your life

Btw no currency = fail, no independence for you
I am paid in dollars lol
Making a killing on the pound failing against the dollar lol

Anyhoo bundy should you not be upto your usual chloroforming a old cloth at this time of night lol
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At the end of a televised debate last night, a woman summed it up perfectly. She asked the panel, "are we not effectively living in a no situation right now"? So why don't we already have all those things the "no" team are promising us?

The "no" team were speechless, and totally gobsmacked.
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Originally Posted by scunnered
At the end of a televised debate last night, a woman summed it up perfectly. She asked the panel, "are we not effectively living in a no situation right now"? So why don't we already have all those things the "no" team are promising us?

The "no" team were speechless, and totally gobsmacked.
If you vote no things will stay about the same and natural progression will continue, vote yes and things will get worse.
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Old Sep 15, 2014 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by chris j t
But how the hell does that improve quality of life? It just mumbo jumbo.

Running a country is the same as running a business, you need to take the personal side out of it, passion and motivation won't pay the bills.

Right ok you have been give your freedom and the chance to be the master of your own destiny, WHAT DO YOU DO?
Chris

You clearly struggle with this.

You've asked what do you do. What you do is have people running your "business" who actually know what they are doing. Who don't **** billions away through ineptitude.

Now, there's no guarantee that iScotland plc will have better management. But one thing is for sure - with the status quo its not going to get any better.

Until you live and breath the Scottish media you really have no idea who shouts loudest. I hear much chat about the Yes campaign bullying their way to the 18th. And yet I don't see that up here. Protesting an openly biased BBC isn't bullying. It's making a stand for equality. Which is all the yes side have ever asked for.

"Project fear" is a Better Together concept. End of. (to use your own words)

The way Better Together has handled elements of their campaign, and the undue influence used has been disgraceful. But you probably won't see that where you are.

When you see the pictures and videos posted of hundereds if hot thousands of Yes supporters in the streets please realise that its a happy, friendly carnival atmosphere. Glasgow was buzzing at the weekend, as was Aberdeen and Inverness. Its not threataning, or malicious.

Edinburgh less so as the Orange Order bigots from NI and Scotland were out in force marching for no. (There's a reason to vote yes on its own) If you don't know what that is - go google.

One more thing 'd like to mention. You keep banging on about Scots getting £1,200 per head more than the rest of the UK. Sorry, but I'm going to have to put the record straight on that one.

For starters, that's £1,200 per head on public expenditure. Its not as if we actually get it.

But that's only part of the story. If you exclude oil & gas revenues GDP per head in Scotland was £20,571 in 2011 and for the UK it was £20,873. But if you do include oil and gas revenues Scotland is shown to generate more per head of population than the UK as a whole. For Scotland, it is £26,424 per head compared with £22,336 per head for the UK.

Tax revenues, including a geographical share of North Sea revenue are equivalent to £10,700 per person, compared to £9000 per person for the UK as a whole. Taken over the last 30 years, back to 1980-81, tax revenue per person in Scotland has been £1350 a year higher than in the UK as a whole, when adjusted for inflation.

So the reality is that Scotland has been a net contributor, per person, to the UK, since the barnet formula came into being.
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The more I watch the desperate campaigning of the No vote the more I hope Scotland frees itself of these slimy backstabbing greed driven politicians. Come on Scotland, free yourselves!!!!
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Old Sep 15, 2014 | 11:45 AM
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Can some clever person post up a YES - NO - UNDECIDED ( ) poll please.

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