Scottish Independence
12 December 2012, 12:32 PM
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Ah it's not a chip on the shoulder per se, just a frustration that people can't be honest with themselves, Scott. My bet would be that if Scotland were in union with Wales, but not with England, they'd be absolutely fine with it. Tell me i'm wrong.
12 December 2012, 12:57 PM
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Can anyone who is pro-independence please tell me why you want to keep the pound?
And why on earth would the rest of the UK want an independent Scotland to share our currency? It will only end badly for both partys'
And why on earth would the rest of the UK want an independent Scotland to share our currency? It will only end badly for both partys'
12 December 2012, 01:04 PM
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its the British pound not the english pound or the uk pound.
Britain is not the uk. Britain is the area that we are in.
ie: scotland would still be in the area of the British isles (unless you guys want us to pick up our country and move somewhere else in the world when we get independence lol)
just imagine all scotlands money getting changed to the euro or our own new currency.. that would be very bad for the pound i would have thought.
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12 December 2012, 01:17 PM
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"your" currency?
its the British pound not the english pound or the uk pound.
Britain is not the uk. Britain is the area that we are in.
just imagine all scotlands money getting changed to the euro or our own new currency.. that would be very bad for the pound i would have thought.
its the British pound not the english pound or the uk pound.
Britain is not the uk. Britain is the area that we are in.
just imagine all scotlands money getting changed to the euro or our own new currency.. that would be very bad for the pound i would have thought.
12 December 2012, 01:19 PM
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"your" currency?
its the British pound not the english pound or the uk pound.
Britain is not the uk. Britain is the area that we are in.
just imagine all scotlands money getting changed to the euro or our own new currency.. that would be very bad for the pound i would have thought.
its the British pound not the english pound or the uk pound.
Britain is not the uk. Britain is the area that we are in.
just imagine all scotlands money getting changed to the euro or our own new currency.. that would be very bad for the pound i would have thought.
The Bank of England will by necessity make monetary policy according to the needs of the UK. The Scottish government will make fiscal policy upon the needs of Scottish Economy. This won't end well.
We'll be back to the 'bad old English (or Bank of England) being blamed for constraining the Scottish economy. I mean what will happen when the BOE tells Alex Salmond he cannot borrow any more money and instead he has to put up taxes?
The real kicker for the rest of the UK will be that the taxpayer south of the border will end up having to under-write the Scottish economy.
And as we know the Scottish economy has the potential to be rather volatile given the high % public sector to GDP and the over-reliance on a commodity who's value is prone to large fluctuations.
Scotland must have its own central bank, then it will be a properly independent country, making its own decisions.
12 December 2012, 01:23 PM
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even when Scotland splits from the uk it will still be inside the British isles
plus didn't the irish use a version of the pound up until they changed to the euro?
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12 December 2012, 01:45 PM
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"your" currency?
its the British pound not the english pound or the uk pound.
Britain is not the uk. Britain is the area that we are in.
ie: scotland would still be in the area of the British isles (unless you guys want us to pick up our country and move somewhere else in the world when we get independence lol)
just imagine all scotlands money getting changed to the euro or our own new currency.. that would be very bad for the pound i would have thought.
its the British pound not the english pound or the uk pound.
Britain is not the uk. Britain is the area that we are in.
ie: scotland would still be in the area of the British isles (unless you guys want us to pick up our country and move somewhere else in the world when we get independence lol)
just imagine all scotlands money getting changed to the euro or our own new currency.. that would be very bad for the pound i would have thought.
You have notes of Scottish denomination already, why not call it the Scottish Dollar, after the town north of Inverness. It could still get printed in Wales like many other countries from around the world.
12 December 2012, 02:34 PM
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Love the fact people who have researched this so diligently that us mere mortals could not comprehend the facts they have consumed....dont know the Difference between the United Kingdom, Great Britain and the British Isles
12 December 2012, 02:42 PM
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I am beginning to think that you don't understand your own posts!
No I will not follow your "orders"!
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12 December 2012, 02:45 PM
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the united kingdom is part of the British isles.. what's there not to understand? lol
12 December 2012, 02:46 PM
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12 December 2012, 02:46 PM
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12 December 2012, 02:47 PM
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Tbh, I don't care if you get independence or not.....but if you are gonna have it and I was in power in Westminster I would insist that you do it properly e.g own tax systems in place, own hospitals, own army, own airforce, own currency (you could keep the "Scottish Pound" just dont try to tie it to the "English Pound") and if it works then great. But if it doesnt then you could not look south of the border for help.
I would imagine (just my own opinion) that you would end up with a economy and issues like Greece, Spain, Ireland etc.....
I would imagine (just my own opinion) that you would end up with a economy and issues like Greece, Spain, Ireland etc.....
12 December 2012, 02:49 PM
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12 December 2012, 04:34 PM
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12 December 2012, 04:40 PM
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12 December 2012, 09:22 PM
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You should ask people on same question when Czech and Slovakia split on two separate countries,at least Scotland will have Referendum,Czech and Slovakia don't have at this time this option,politicians just done this...
If is good for Slovakian people,in many people view yes has been worth,but in my view has been wrong decision and this has been driven mainly one political party and this party get from this biggest profit(political and financial)
This referendum reminds/recalls me Czech-Slovakia separation
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You should ask people on same question when Czech and Slovakia split on two separate countries,at least Scotland will have Referendum,Czech and Slovakia don't have at this time this option,politicians just done this...
If is good for Slovakian people,in many people view yes has been worth,but in my view has been wrong decision and this has been driven mainly one political party and this party get from this biggest profit(political and financial)
This referendum reminds/recalls me Czech-Slovakia separation
Jura
for scots, its new territory (in recent terms) and its just my veiw that scotland (im a scot) a union is still better, for all tbh.
why is it that the likes of cameron dont want seperation - whats his reasons?
12 December 2012, 09:40 PM
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ok a few questions i would like to be answered - north sea oil reserves - whats the estimated amount, and who owns it? say for example its not any of the big energy companies and the government own (which i dont think is true) could we have access to large amounts of crude oil, and with our refineries in place as a result have extremley cheap feul for the next few decades.
i beleive as most of scotland isnt really habital we have space for windfarms ect, but enough for our won consumption and then to sell to generate income for our country? id imagine this would be privatley owned, and contribute a minimum to the economy through employment ect.
now weve already seen the scottish parliment building total embarrassing fiasco - costing the tax payer many many millions - totally wasted. now weve got the tram fiasco which seems likely to cost the tax payer heavily and likely not for much benfit?
soon we need to rebuild/renovate the forth bridge, which will be an immense project and going by history will be yeta another heavy tax payer burden - with politicians just apologising, accepting a golden handshake, and moving onto anothe ceo or similar position. so my point is the politicians rarley ahve to answer, the worst that can happen is they loose there mp's seat - or are shamed ect. hardly a recompemse to the wide public..
some pros and cons, of which i know littel , but willing to be educated by those in the know?
do we need to re-apply to the european union, do we loose our shared currency - can we like oter nations pick and choose what E.U legislation we impliment?
independant future - is it worth it? - i cant see the man in the street seeing any benefit over the status quo tbh
i beleive as most of scotland isnt really habital we have space for windfarms ect, but enough for our won consumption and then to sell to generate income for our country? id imagine this would be privatley owned, and contribute a minimum to the economy through employment ect.
now weve already seen the scottish parliment building total embarrassing fiasco - costing the tax payer many many millions - totally wasted. now weve got the tram fiasco which seems likely to cost the tax payer heavily and likely not for much benfit?
soon we need to rebuild/renovate the forth bridge, which will be an immense project and going by history will be yeta another heavy tax payer burden - with politicians just apologising, accepting a golden handshake, and moving onto anothe ceo or similar position. so my point is the politicians rarley ahve to answer, the worst that can happen is they loose there mp's seat - or are shamed ect. hardly a recompemse to the wide public..
some pros and cons, of which i know littel , but willing to be educated by those in the know?
do we need to re-apply to the european union, do we loose our shared currency - can we like oter nations pick and choose what E.U legislation we impliment?
independant future - is it worth it? - i cant see the man in the street seeing any benefit over the status quo tbh
12 December 2012, 11:23 PM
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Independent Scotland needing to re-apply to join the EU
The president of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso, has said that any new independent country would have to apply to join the EU
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-20664907
Yet; a Scottish minister say it won't
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-20675705
The truth, as with all politics is incredibly difficult to ascertain.
The president of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso, has said that any new independent country would have to apply to join the EU
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-20664907
Yet; a Scottish minister say it won't
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-20675705
The truth, as with all politics is incredibly difficult to ascertain.
12 December 2012, 11:55 PM
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The Spanish wouldn't admit Scotland in to the EU, as they do not want their own areas who are threatening to become independent, to do so.
By demonstrating that an independent Scotland wouldn't be admitted, they would be demonstrating to the regions seeking independence that they would not be admitted to the EU, in the hope that they do not attempt to become independent of Spain.
By demonstrating that an independent Scotland wouldn't be admitted, they would be demonstrating to the regions seeking independence that they would not be admitted to the EU, in the hope that they do not attempt to become independent of Spain.
13 December 2012, 01:14 AM
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Petty bile-filled Scottish nationalists remind me of the bigotted character from Naked Video, who walked over the border, shouted abuse at the English bast*rds and quickly ran back.
Pathetic. I cant articulate the contempt that I hold for them.
Pathetic. I cant articulate the contempt that I hold for them.
13 December 2012, 01:00 PM
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ok a few questions i would like to be answered - north sea oil reserves - whats the estimated amount, and who owns it? say for example its not any of the big energy companies and the government own (which i dont think is true) could we have access to large amounts of crude oil, and with our refineries in place as a result have extremley cheap feul for the next few decades.
i believe as most of scotland isnt really habital we have space for windfarms ect, but enough for our won consumption and then to sell to generate income for our country? id imagine this would be privatley owned, and contribute a minimum to the economy through employment ect.
now weve already seen the scottish parliment building total embarrassing fiasco - costing the tax payer many many millions - totally wasted. now weve got the tram fiasco which seems likely to cost the tax payer heavily and likely not for much benfit?
soon we need to rebuild/renovate the forth bridge, which will be an immense project and going by history will be yeta another heavy tax payer burden - with politicians just apologising, accepting a golden handshake, and moving onto anothe ceo or similar position. so my point is the politicians rarley ahve to answer, the worst that can happen is they loose there mp's seat - or are shamed ect. hardly a recompemse to the wide public..
do we need to re-apply to the european union, do we loose our shared currency - can we like oter nations pick and choose what E.U legislation we impliment?
independant future - is it worth it? - i cant see the man in the street seeing any benefit over the status quo tbh
Just imagine what we could do with every single penny from our own resources and economy going straight back into Scotland. improve jobs, infrastructure, way of living, you name it. This is the first step to making scotland what we all want it to be.. a great nation.
Don't expect it to all happen overnight. getting a Yes vote is only the first step. but i will be voting a YES so my kids (when i have some) and there kids will benefit from it!
I can see why labour are voting against it.. as it will kill there representation down south and basically make the torys the top party lol from what ive understood.
13 December 2012, 01:15 PM
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Any idea if I can apply to emigrate to Scotland once it's independent and what the criteria will be? 
Strikes me as the most beautiful part of the UK and no longer shackled to Tory England it may actually be the place to be
Strikes me as the most beautiful part of the UK and no longer shackled to Tory England it may actually be the place to be
13 December 2012, 01:18 PM
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Maybe, but they seem to want to be shackled to the Bank of England!
13 December 2012, 01:26 PM
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What about Spain using it's veto to prevent accepting Scotland to th EU, to stop their own regions from breaking away for independence?
13 December 2012, 01:34 PM
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we will need to see what comes of that. i cant see anything wrong with keeping the pound. more than 1 country can share a currency without it dictating what that country does with its money so i cant see why this would be a problem?
and i highly doubt Spain will veto Scotland.. can you imagine the uproar by the Spanish fishermen lol spain is not that stupid.
they will cast doubt on it tho to try put off there own problems with catalina(sp?) trying to get independence which is understandable from there point of view.
and i highly doubt Spain will veto Scotland.. can you imagine the uproar by the Spanish fishermen lol spain is not that stupid.
they will cast doubt on it tho to try put off there own problems with catalina(sp?) trying to get independence which is understandable from there point of view.
