I would say they could get fcked from the GE if they go independance.

 

You'll be more than welcome to move up here Chris

Unlike some of the Scottish haters on here

 

Well as it won't be independent by then I guess it will work as it does now. I would imagine it will take a few years before independence is fully realised.

And let's not forget that the polls are pretty much neck and neck so we still don't know which way it will go. Let's worry about it when we know if it will be happening!

 

To be honest it was something i thought about some years ago as I have honestly never met a Scot I didn't like.

 

The proposed date for separation is March 2016. It would be intollerable to have Scottish votes influencing the outcome of the UK election

 

There's a fair chance it (the GE) will be postponed if there's a Yes vote.

 

that's the most logical outcome I guess

 

This could end up a one huge mess

Cameron would have to go

 

Actually, is the irony of that statement lost on you?

The English vote has had way more than "an influence" on what happens in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland since the House of Commons came to be.

Scottish seats - 59
English seats - 533
Welsh seats - 40
NI Seats - 18

Which of course is why Scotland voted in the SNP at the last Scottish Parliamentary Election and why we're having the referendum now.

 

That's why I was asking, earlier, if Westminster had made plans for when the Scots vote Yes.

At present, Labour lead the polls, and would be in power, assuming it goes ahead and the Jocks can still vote in the GE. However, once the Scots finally bugger off in 2016, the 59 Scottish seats will cease to exist, resulting in a minority government.

Or the GE is postponed, as it was in 1940.

A Scottish yes vote is a vote for UKIP. Less Labour competition for them to see off and a weakened Tory party who destroyed the Union.

 

There's no irony there whatsoever.

Scotland is part of the UK we vote at UK elections. That's very different to having votes from another, soon to be foreign country, influencing the results of a democratic process

One outcome of this process (which ever way it goes) will have to be some English devolution because it's England that seems to be taken for a ride at the moment. Especially with all the new powers that are being promised. Why the hell is it OK for Scotland, but not for England?

 

why do i think that if scotland does go independant, there will be big austerity measures there and salmond will blame UK gov for 'hiding' information rather than his plans being **** up?

 

They (Scottish votes) will be ignored as usual

 

Ignored?

Scotland has far more self governance than England

 

You haven't met enough

 

What's that got to do with the GE ?

Scotland was only given devolution in the hope it would kill off the SNP.

That worked about as well as the No campaign seems to be panning out !

 

It has everything to do with the democratic process

 

As Hodgy says, opinions are like ****-holes. The last link was funny though, the three stooges have done more damage by going to Scotland.

As said before, Westminster and BoE says no currency union, that is undeniable. But Alex Salmond still keeps banging on about getting it. His Plan A for independence depends on it. To aleviate doubt and boost his campaign, he should accept Westminster and BoE's position and not use the British Pound and instead announce to use a Scottish Pound pegged to the value of GBP to prevent exhange issues for trade between rUK and Scotland. That is fair from my point of view. What isn't fair is for rUK to bear the risk and underpin Alex Salmonds quest for Scottich independence on flakey policies he cannot deliver without the link to GBP.

If I wanted to start a new business and I insisted you back me up in case it goes t1ts up you's quite rightly tell me to f* off (beside the fact you'd tell me to regardless! )

 

 

Are you reading this back to yourself

Theres that irony again Martin

 

Well then the rUK should have a referendum as to whether rUK should have currency union with GBP to have rUK taxpayers bankroll Scotland's independence.

 

You come across as very bitter about the possibility of independence. I think you should be happy for the Scots if they choose to go it alone. Best of luck to them I say

 

If you wanted to start a new business and the success of mine was positively influenced by its success, and negatively influenced by its failure then I might not tell you to f*ck off (even if it was you )

The best outcome for both sides in the dissolution of any partnership or ending of any union, be that a nation, a buisness or a marriage comes from respect and collaboration. Yes there's always a negotaition to be had, but if its done on those bases there's a mutually beneficial outcome.

From where I'm sitting, "Yes Scotland" wants that. Westminster is, however, adopting the f*ck you approach. Its now realsiing that the F*ck you approach isn't working and having a panick attack (although it seems no one has told Osborne. Or maybe he's just a smug wee tosspot who makes up his own rules) Neither Cameron or Milliband could organise a **** up in a brewery, nor could many of their respective cabinets. And its blindingly obvious thats the case.

There's a good reason to vote yes on its own.

You keep harping on about Salmond's currency plan B. Heres a more important one for you - I doubt very much that Westminster has a plan B - if we run with the concept that Plan A is a No vote. Not only might losing Scotland be bad fro the rest of the uk, those dumb f*ckers don't even have a plan for what to do if that happens.

What those dumb f*ckers should have been doing from the start is saying "ok, lets let Scotland's people decide. And if its yes, lets focus on what we have to do to make sure we all come out of this in the best possible shape".

 

Is there a secret English parliament somewhere that I don't know about?

 

Are you seriously trying to suggest that with 533 English seats out of a total of 650, England is not self governed?

Who else governs England Martin?

 

That's one of the more sensible and accurate posts on this thread, it has to be said.

 

Me personally i think the yes vote will win

The polls are showing we are winning but as i said before they dont mean that all of scotland feels this way
The amount of cars driving around aberdeen with yes stickers on them is crazy,,, i have not seen a single no sticker on a car yet
The amount of yes posters in peoples windows are everywhere even people with yes flags in their gardens lol
I have only seen two houses in aberdeen with no posters in windows
The trio of clowns in scotland showing just how desperate they are.
yes campaigners are everywhere while i have not seen a single no campaigner at all
the no campaigners would probably be egged anyway lol

the no campaign office which i have passed several times is always empty of voters it is like a graveyard in there

None of these is a sure fire yes,,,,,but it does show how much scotland is turning to yes

 

Believe what you will as there are still masses of oil in the north sea
Production was down last year not because oil is becoming scarcer
But because of things like a massive gas leak on rigs like the elgin which is a huge producer
Where production stopped for months because of it.
And i know this for a fact as my work colleges were working on it at the time
And shutdowns on several rig which happen for maintenance which all rigs have to do

Then you have not factored in clair ridge which has not even began to produce with a 640 million barrel recoverable reserve of oil and then not too far away the bp clair already producing 100,000 barrels of oil per day.
Then fields like the buzzard which produce massive amounts of oil

So why dont you keep what you know or should i say dont know to yourself

Then there is the west coast which in the 80's bp was wanting to drill there
But westminster said no because of the nuclear subs train and operate there
Mmm maybe that is why salmond wants the trident subs out of that area so we can go drilling there
Two birds one stone,,,,,,sounds good to me

 

the turn out of voters will be a very interesting figure though Niz. Ignore the result and look at how many people actually give a toss lol

 

How many people actually give a toss,,,,,,that would be pretty much be nearly all of scotland

I didnt see in the past people turning out in masses to have debates on general elections or standing for hours in a que to go register in every city and village across scotland for general elections

But they have for the independence vote but with your comment you are too blind to see that lol

Its happening in scotland
Masses of debates in every comunity
Thousands upon thousands of people registering to vote

Every no campaign speaker has been abused and shouted at from a overwhelming yes crowd
While the yes speakers are always welcomed by the public

you really dont see whats happening in scotland as you dont live here and dont see the surge
Of people actually giving a toss LOL

Cameron of the three horsemen of the non apocalypse would not be up grovelling in scotland if nobody was giving a toss would he LOL