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Old 09 September 2014, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
But Scotland has oil.
and where does alot of that oil get sold to,,,,yea thats right Europe
so I would not imagine they would stand by once a quarter of their oil supply stopped because of invasion would they
and this is probably why if we choose it we will have no problems getting into the European union as well
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Old 09 September 2014, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
and where does alot of that oil get sold to,,,,yea thats right Europe
so I would not imagine they would stand by once a quarter of their oil supply stopped because of invasion would they
and this is probably why if we choose it we will have no problems getting into the European union as well
I think you might find iScotland will have more than a few problems getting in the EU. I know you work in the oil industry, but oil itself is not a miracle solution that will provide Alex Salmond everything he wants.
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Originally Posted by jonc
I think you might find iScotland will have more than a few problems getting in the EU. I know you work in the oil industry, but oil itself is not a miracle solution that will provide Alex Salmond everything he wants.

Oh yea really

http://www.scotsman.com/news/pat-***...land-1-3535507
Old 09 September 2014, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
if we choose it we will have no problems getting into the European union as well
I've already asked, do you want to join the EU after independence?

Once in, you'll have no control of your borders, so you'll not be able to stop those illegals who are in France heading your way. After all, why would they want to come to England after Salmond has promised lower taxes and more welfare/benefits for Scotland?
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Originally Posted by ScoobyWon't
I've already asked, do you want to join the EU after independence?

Once in, you'll have no control of your borders, so you'll not be able to stop those illegals who are in France heading your way. After all, why would they want to come to England after Salmond has promised lower taxes and more welfare/benefits for Scotland?

I am warming upto the scotland in the EU

he never promised lower taxes but says he has no plans to increase them

and neither do you have control either !
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Originally Posted by jasey

so what you trying to say you would prefer these three clowns governing you

Old 09 September 2014, 09:36 PM
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Old 09 September 2014, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
so what you trying to say you would prefer these three clowns governing you

one of the pr guru's played a blinder with that pic lol
Old 09 September 2014, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jasey
if that was the case then this would not be happening all over scotland



Just a pitty you are to afraid to stand up and make scotland a better place

Old 09 September 2014, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
one of the pr guru's played a blinder with that pic lol

made me laugh very hard as well tidgy

that was camerons entrance

and here is his exit out of scotland LOL


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Originally Posted by nizmo80

and neither do you have control either !
Not heard of the Schengen agreement? All new members of the EU cannot opt out of it. It allows for the free movement of people throughout the EU. The current UK opted out of it, that's why there is a border control in Calais to (try to) catch illegal immigrants.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement
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Originally Posted by ScoobyWon't
Not heard of the Schengen agreement? All new members of the EU cannot opt out of it. It allows for the free movement of people throughout the EU. The current UK opted out of it, that's why there is a border control in Calais to (try to) catch illegal immigrants.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

So you are telling me there are your border patrols catching illegal immigrants at calais which is one of the main gateways into the uk
where the immigrants would need to pass through to get through england
then up into scotland PMSL


Looks like you will be doing that job for us ROTFPMSL

great argument there
Old 09 September 2014, 10:05 PM
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So serious question, why is trident such a big issue?
Old 09 September 2014, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
So you are telling me there are your border patrols catching illegal immigrants at calais which is one of the main gateways into the uk
where the immigrants would need to pass through to get through england
then up into scotland PMSL


Looks like you will be doing that job for us ROTFPMSL

great argument there
Surely once they hear how much better iScotland's welfare is compared to England, Zeebrugge will be the new Calais and Rosyth the new Dover.
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Originally Posted by neil-h
So serious question, why is trident such a big issue?
Seriously how could I think trident is OK ?
it's sole purpose is for mass killing which would be civilians in other country who would pay with their lifes if ever used
it costs massive amounts to keep going which could be better spent on things that we need.

and with EU membership which like a money union will happen we wont need them anyways

Originally Posted by jonc
Surely once they hear how much better iScotland's welfare is compared to England, Zeebrugge will be the new Calais and Rosyth the new Dover.
Oooo gotcha on the EU question and you sidestep LOL

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Originally Posted by nizmo80
Seriously how could I think trident is OK ?
it's sole purpose is for mass killing which would be civilians in other country who would pay with their lifes if ever used
it costs massive amounts to keep going which could be better spent on things that we need.

and with EU membership which like a money union will happen we wont need them anyways
But the reality of trident is that it's a deterrent, by maintaining second strike capability it makes it less likely that anyone else will launch a nuclear attack. It's like car insurance, you'd much rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

As for not needing it because you're in the EU, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that.
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Originally Posted by neil-h
But the reality of trident is that it's a deterrent, by maintaining second strike capability it makes it less likely that anyone else will launch a nuclear attack. It's like car insurance, you'd much rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

As for not needing it because you're in the EU, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that.
how does it work then ?
Old 09 September 2014, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
Oooo gotcha on the EU question and you sidestep LOL
Oh please, really? For every pro article there is at least one against it! just google it.

Here, to start you off if you want to read some
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...o-9131925.html
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...t-central-bank
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-29126385
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/0...0H31FK20140908
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...embership.html
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...membership-mps
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-29043878

Oh let me guess, Government has "fixed" the reporting.
Old 09 September 2014, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
how does it work then ?
Defence policy is governed by the individual states. So if Scotland wants to maintain a nuclear deterrent then that's their problem.
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Ok go dispute this with salmond directly this is from his facebook page earlier today
who has better inside knowledge than you ever will and I notice none of those articles have the former president of the EU behind them or anybody even close to his stature and some of those are from as far back as February and the this was pat *** saying this TODAY



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Originally Posted by nizmo80
So you are telling me there are your border patrols catching illegal immigrants at calais which is one of the main gateways into the uk
where the immigrants would need to pass through to get through england
then up into scotland PMSL


Looks like you will be doing that job for us ROTFPMSL

great argument there
You really don't get it do you. Once you join the EU, you have to sign up to Schengen. They won't need to go through England to get to Scotland, as Schengen means they can pass through the open border straight to Scotland via any European country they can hop on a boat from.
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Originally Posted by nizmo80

and with EU membership which like a money union will happen we wont need them anyways


And with EU membership, you'll be forced to take the Euro, so you don't need the Bank of England after all!
Old 09 September 2014, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
Ok go dispute this with salmond directly this is from his facebook page earlier today
who has better inside knowledge than you ever will and I notice none of those articles have the former president of the EU behind them or anybody even close to his stature and some of those are from as far back as February and the this was pat *** saying this TODAY


Here's the clue to the flaw in your argument, are you ready for this, you best sit down for this............former.........
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Originally Posted by nizmo80

he never promised lower taxes but says he has no plans to increase them
Here's one from the Scotsman, explaining how the whitepaper aims to cut corporation tax.

PLANS to reduce the rate of corporation tax in an independent Scotland could produce a “race to the bottom”, the Chartered Institute of Taxation (CIOT) has warned.

The Scottish Government’s independence White Paper contains plans gradually to reduce the tax by up to three percentage points below the prevailing UK rate.

The policy is aimed at securing a competitive advantage and helping to “reverse the loss of corporate headquarters”.

The CIOT, which represents taxation professionals, also said the tax cut for businesses “does not appear to tie in” with other aims set out by the Government such as social cohesion and sustaining public services.

The CIOT is among a number of organisations due to give evidence to Holyrood’s Economy Committee as part of its inquiry into Scotland’s economic future post-2014.

It outlined its concerns in a written submission to the committee.

It said: “We are concerned about the stated policy of reducing the rate of corporation tax by up to three percentage points. This could produce a ‘race to the bottom’ with the UK matching Scottish rates.

“Corporation tax is a relatively small tax source. The cost of labour to businesses is far greater, and if other policies, such as the minimum wage proposals, result in an increase in labour costs, this could outweigh the corporation tax gain to an investor.

“Another concern is that it does not appear to tie in with other visions set out by the Scottish Government, such as building social cohesion, sustaining public services and joining up tax and welfare benefits policy.”

The Law Society of Scotland is also due to give evidence to the committee.

Its written submission also addressed issues surrounding corporation tax.

It said: “If Scottish rates of tax were markedly lower than the rest of the UK, it raises the question of whether Scotland would be able to raise sufficient revenue to maintain adequate public services, including health, welfare and education services.
So iScotland will cut tax, but pay more out in benefits even though it's reducing the amount of revenue it's raising. Well, there's a way of doing that - more austerity. Sounds like a winner to me
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Originally Posted by jonc
Here's the clue to the flaw in your argument, are you ready for this, you best sit down for this............former.........

You trying to tell me that the FORMER president wont still have ties and people he is close with in the EU

dont see any of those links you posted having anybody of worth other than
newspaper reporters blabbing on crap

Newspaper reports vs FORMER president of the EU
Mmmmm I will take the ex presidents word for it rather than a bunch of reporters trying to sell newspapers or you for that matter
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
That pretty much sums up my problem with Salmond. He's trying to pass off opinion as fact. The reality being that Scotland will probably remain in the EU but no amount of 'expert opinion' can know for sure.
Old 09 September 2014, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
You trying to tell me that the FORMER president wont still have ties and people he is close with in the EU

dont see any of those links you posted having anybody of worth other than
newspaper reporters blabbing on crap

Newspaper reports vs FORMER president of the EU
Mmmmm I will take the ex presidents word for it rather than a bunch of reporters trying to sell newspapers or you for that matter
I knew you wouldn't read the links. Like I said before, it's clear you only see what you want to see and make baseless assumptions, much like Alex Salmond.

I think if you actually read what Pat *** says, he is more concerned with EU's position on Scottish-related access to Norwegian fisheries.
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
You trying to tell me that the FORMER president wont still have ties and people he is close with in the EU

dont see any of those links you posted having anybody of worth other than
newspaper reporters blabbing on crap

Newspaper reports vs FORMER president of the EU
Mmmmm I will take the ex presidents word for it rather than a bunch of reporters trying to sell newspapers or you for that matter
Nizmo - what do you actually want here? Is it Independence or Socialism?

Is your desire for Independence driven by the knowledge that you will probably never get a socialist goverment in Westminster?
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I can't be bothered reading through all previous pages, so I'm not sure if its been mentioned about the huge untapped oilfields off Scotland's west coast?
The MOD blocked all applications for a license to drill. Their reason was that oil rigs could pose a danger to nuclear subs in the area.


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