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22 November 2012, 12:15 PM
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One of the things that gets me is that RS has found its way onto schools' curriculae.
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22 November 2012, 12:25 PM
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One of the things that gets me is that GW has found it's way onto schools curriculae.
Within a VERY few years we will have a whole generation who think it's gospel because they were taught it in school, and anyone who disgarees will be shouted down.......oh, wait, that's already happening.....
Within a VERY few years we will have a whole generation who think it's gospel because they were taught it in school, and anyone who disgarees will be shouted down.......oh, wait, that's already happening.....
22 November 2012, 12:40 PM
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Really? This thread's fücking weird. You'd have RS taken off the curriculum?
22 November 2012, 12:48 PM
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The way its being taught, yes. Because as per the point of this thread, it is a whipped up story pushed by green activists that is not based in science. In other words, children are being taught lies.
22 November 2012, 12:49 PM
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22 November 2012, 12:50 PM
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We need to distinguish between global warming, climate change and manmade global warming. I believe that there is sufficient evidence for global warming, but IMO that is natural, and although we can reduce the effects by reducing carbon emissions the overall effect will be marginal at best.
22 November 2012, 12:51 PM
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Not sure, JT. Its only value, in my opinion, is for kids to get a better understanding of other cultures and beliefs so that they can respect them, but it's a close call for me. I'm not sure that children need to be indoctrinated with the idea of religion at such an early age. Not until somebody proves to me that it's a factual exercise anyway.
22 November 2012, 12:58 PM
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We need to distinguish between global warming, climate change and manmade global warming. I believe that there is sufficient evidence for global warming, but IMO that is natural, and although we can reduce the effects by reducing carbon emissions the overall effect will be marginal at best.
This is where i stand too, i think. So whilst we are using words like "marginal" and not "irrelevant", i think it's worthwhile for kids to be taught to use energy more efficiently.
If we wake up in 100 years' time and realise we've been 50% (or whatever) of the cause, and we stood back and did nothing, how could we justify that?
As long as if in 100 years if we realise it's nothing to do with human activity then the teaching should stop or change.
But while people think they're paying more money than necessary to subssidise a green cause that can't be conclusively proven, we'll always be at loggerheads.
22 November 2012, 01:05 PM
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Not sure, JT. Its only value, in my opinion, is for kids to get a better understanding of other cultures and beliefs so that they can respect them, but it's a close call for me. I'm not sure that children need to be indoctrinated with the idea of religion at such an early age. Not until somebody proves to me that it's a factual exercise anyway.
It IS all about helping them understand different peoples cultures and beliefs
22 November 2012, 01:08 PM
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This is where i stand too, i think. So whilst we are using words like "marginal" and not "irrelevant", i think it's worthwhile for kids to be taught to use energy more efficiently.
If we wake up in 100 years' time and realise we've been 50% (or whatever) of the cause, and we stood back and did nothing, how could we justify that?
As long as if in 100 years if we realise it's nothing to do with human activity then the teaching should stop or change.
But while people think they're paying more money than necessary to subssidise a green cause that can't be conclusively proven, we'll always be at loggerheads.
If we wake up in 100 years' time and realise we've been 50% (or whatever) of the cause, and we stood back and did nothing, how could we justify that?
As long as if in 100 years if we realise it's nothing to do with human activity then the teaching should stop or change.
But while people think they're paying more money than necessary to subssidise a green cause that can't be conclusively proven, we'll always be at loggerheads.
Anyone on here that tells you they know for sure (one way or another) is either lying or 'grinding an axe'
22 November 2012, 01:08 PM
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Well at the school my kids went to, no credence was given to the idea that some people might think it was all a complete load of nonsense. It was as if religion was an intrinsic part of being human, not a choice. If that's changed then please correct me.
22 November 2012, 01:17 PM
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It hasn't changes, because I don't think it was ever taught as you describe.
22 November 2012, 01:21 PM
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lol, well it was, because it came as a bit of a shock for them that it wasn't "fact". I/they are not lying, Martin 
And that's not even at a Church school, where i imagine it could be even more persuasive.
And that's not even at a Church school, where i imagine it could be even more persuasive.
22 November 2012, 01:22 PM
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Not sure, JT. Its only value, in my opinion, is for kids to get a better understanding of other cultures and beliefs so that they can respect them, but it's a close call for me. I'm not sure that children need to be indoctrinated with the idea of religion at such an early age. Not until somebody proves to me that it's a factual exercise anyway.
22 November 2012, 01:26 PM
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We need to distinguish between global warming, climate change and manmade global warming. I believe that there is sufficient evidence for global warming, but IMO that is natural, and although we can reduce the effects by reducing carbon emissions the overall effect will be marginal at best.
I have always thought that the "save the planet" brigade were campaigning on the flawed principle that we can actually destroy the planet – we can’t
the best we can do is make it unfit for human habitation for a couple of million years.
22 November 2012, 01:28 PM
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And to add, that's just Christianity. Is Islam taught as a lifestyle option to Muslim kids? I have no experience but can you tell me for sure that it's presented as a choice? Don't want to throw this off course so that's just there as an aside really.
22 November 2012, 01:28 PM
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JTaylor: last year I tutored my eldest in Physics to improve his GCSE grade and for grounding before he went to uni.
I was APPALLED at how biased the curriculum is towards GW, with the other side of the argument not even presented.
He, too, was very surprised NOT to be given both sides.
We are brainwashing an entire generation.
But hey.....they won't ever think of oppposing green taxes, so THAT'S Ok then.......
I was APPALLED at how biased the curriculum is towards GW, with the other side of the argument not even presented.
He, too, was very surprised NOT to be given both sides.
We are brainwashing an entire generation.
But hey.....they won't ever think of oppposing green taxes, so THAT'S Ok then.......
22 November 2012, 01:32 PM
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JTaylor: last year I tutored my eldest in Physics to improve his GCSE grade and for grounding before he went to uni.
I was APPALLED at how biased the curriculum is towards GW, with the other side of the argument not even presented.
He, too, was very surprised NOT to be given both sides.
We are brainwashing an entire generation.
But hey.....they won't ever think of oppposing green taxes, so THAT'S Ok then.......
I was APPALLED at how biased the curriculum is towards GW, with the other side of the argument not even presented.
He, too, was very surprised NOT to be given both sides.
We are brainwashing an entire generation.
But hey.....they won't ever think of oppposing green taxes, so THAT'S Ok then.......
22 November 2012, 01:33 PM
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22 November 2012, 01:34 PM
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We need to distinguish between global warming, climate change and manmade global warming. I believe that there is sufficient evidence for global warming, but IMO that is natural, and although we can reduce the effects by reducing carbon emissions the overall effect will be marginal at best.
JTaylor: last year I tutored my eldest in Physics to improve his GCSE grade and for grounding before he went to uni.
I was APPALLED at how biased the curriculum is towards GW, with the other side of the argument not even presented.
He, too, was very surprised NOT to be given both sides.
We are brainwashing an entire generation.
But hey.....they won't ever think of oppposing green taxes, so THAT'S Ok then.......
I was APPALLED at how biased the curriculum is towards GW, with the other side of the argument not even presented.
He, too, was very surprised NOT to be given both sides.
We are brainwashing an entire generation.
But hey.....they won't ever think of oppposing green taxes, so THAT'S Ok then.......
22 November 2012, 01:48 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism
As above, so below - the microcosm and the macrocosm. Finalzero touched on it here:
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...9&postcount=17
Finalzero's a Sufi and they practice a form of esoteric Islam. All of this is fact.
As above, so below - the microcosm and the macrocosm. Finalzero touched on it here:
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...9&postcount=17
Finalzero's a Sufi and they practice a form of esoteric Islam. All of this is fact.
22 November 2012, 02:15 PM
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<coughs> 
Found what I was looking for last night on this as I've only got a pdf my dad sent me a while ago; Dr David M W Evans white paper "The Sceptics Case"
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/01/dr-david-evans-the-skeptics-case/
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/01/dr-david-evans-the-skeptics-case/