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21 November 2012, 11:42 AM
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This is a story that is getting far too little exposure (for reasons that will become clear in a moment). It is yet another nail in the coffin of the BBC who are running out of feet to shoot themselves in.
According to the BBC Charter they are SUPPOSED to be independent in their reporting. In 2006, the BBC held a conference where they called in 28 experts, with the result they decided that global warming was man made and should be reported so.
“The BBC has held a high-level seminar with some of the best scientific experts, and has come to the view that the weight of evidence no longer justifies equal space being given to the opponents of the consensus [on anthropogenic climate change.]”
Note the best scientific experts bit. A blogger wanted to know who they were. He issued a FOI request to the BBC, who swiftly tried to wriggle out of it, to the extent it went to court, and amazingly the BBC won on the grounds it wasn't a public body!
However, through the power of the internet a list was found that DID have the list of attendees, THAT TURN OUT TO MOSTLY BE GREEN ACTIVISTS. That's right, Greenpeace members, people caught up in Climategate scandal and renewable industry figures convinced the BBC to tear up its impartiality. That is a scandal due to the tax we pay to keep this dinosaur alive. And over the last 6 years have had to listen to PROPAGANDA not science, leading to the Climate Change Act 2008 which is costing us 15bn a year.
Its time for a revolution...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...rse-and-worse/
According to the BBC Charter they are SUPPOSED to be independent in their reporting. In 2006, the BBC held a conference where they called in 28 experts, with the result they decided that global warming was man made and should be reported so.
“The BBC has held a high-level seminar with some of the best scientific experts, and has come to the view that the weight of evidence no longer justifies equal space being given to the opponents of the consensus [on anthropogenic climate change.]”
Note the best scientific experts bit. A blogger wanted to know who they were. He issued a FOI request to the BBC, who swiftly tried to wriggle out of it, to the extent it went to court, and amazingly the BBC won on the grounds it wasn't a public body!
However, through the power of the internet a list was found that DID have the list of attendees, THAT TURN OUT TO MOSTLY BE GREEN ACTIVISTS. That's right, Greenpeace members, people caught up in Climategate scandal and renewable industry figures convinced the BBC to tear up its impartiality. That is a scandal due to the tax we pay to keep this dinosaur alive. And over the last 6 years have had to listen to PROPAGANDA not science, leading to the Climate Change Act 2008 which is costing us 15bn a year.
Its time for a revolution...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...rse-and-worse/
21 November 2012, 11:52 AM
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It can't be said often enough: this is a scandal far more significant than either the Jimmy Savile affair or the Lord McAlpine fiasco. Why? Because those first two were (mostly) ****-ups
That has to win some sort of TelBoy award
21 November 2012, 12:34 PM
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I heard an MP on the radio saying he has been trying for 2 years to get info on what the BBC spend their money on,expenses etc.He said it is almost impossible & they put up as many obstacles as they can.
Public money used for a public broadcast company should be transparent.
£3.6bn unaccounted for ???
Public money used for a public broadcast company should be transparent.
£3.6bn unaccounted for ???
21 November 2012, 12:45 PM
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The Register covered it in depth, here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11...e28_named_wtf/
Quite funny in that the BBC went to court to prevent the names of these 28 guests from being released, for a couple of years, when someone somewhere realised they were in the public domain somewhere in a server's cache all along!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11...e28_named_wtf/
Quite funny in that the BBC went to court to prevent the names of these 28 guests from being released, for a couple of years, when someone somewhere realised they were in the public domain somewhere in a server's cache all along!
21 November 2012, 01:01 PM
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Related to this is whats going on in Germany at the moment.
Since the Fukushima disaster in Japan, Germany has made the decision to close all its nuclear power plants by 2022. Replacing them with coal.
So whilst Britain struggles on to meet unachievable and expensive targets to reduce carbon emissions, Germany has given the one finger salute to the whole thing.
Chasing the green dream is killing our economy; I suppose I can live in hope that somebody might do something about it, but I won’t hold my breath.
Since the Fukushima disaster in Japan, Germany has made the decision to close all its nuclear power plants by 2022. Replacing them with coal.
So whilst Britain struggles on to meet unachievable and expensive targets to reduce carbon emissions, Germany has given the one finger salute to the whole thing.
Chasing the green dream is killing our economy; I suppose I can live in hope that somebody might do something about it, but I won’t hold my breath.
21 November 2012, 01:11 PM
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Actually I think this goes alot deaper than the BBC. The government at the time were trying to justify green taxes as a form of revenue for the coffers, and also at the same time trying to set up and encourage new green industries in the UK. For tax to be brought in it has to be jusitfied to the public, also, for a new industry to start, its needs to gain a foothold in its home market by convincing the public to buy into it.
The BBC was just meerly used as a means to broadcast the spin.
The BBC was just meerly used as a means to broadcast the spin.
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21 November 2012, 01:11 PM
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We need new power stations to replace the current fleet of Nuclear that are mostly coming to the end of their life.
New nuclear will be the greener option, and it is likely that in the medium term will be no more expensive than new coal.
New nuclear will be the greener option, and it is likely that in the medium term will be no more expensive than new coal.
21 November 2012, 01:30 PM
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This is a story that is getting far too little exposure (for reasons that will become clear in a moment). It is yet another nail in the coffin of the BBC who are running out of feet to shoot themselves in.
According to the BBC Charter they are SUPPOSED to be independent in their reporting. In 2006, the BBC held a conference where they called in 28 experts, with the result they decided that global warming was man made and should be reported so.
“The BBC has held a high-level seminar with some of the best scientific experts, and has come to the view that the weight of evidence no longer justifies equal space being given to the opponents of the consensus [on anthropogenic climate change.]”
Note the best scientific experts bit. A blogger wanted to know who they were. He issued a FOI request to the BBC, who swiftly tried to wriggle out of it, to the extent it went to court, and amazingly the BBC won on the grounds it wasn't a public body!
However, through the power of the internet a list was found that DID have the list of attendees, THAT TURN OUT TO MOSTLY BE GREEN ACTIVISTS. That's right, Greenpeace members, people caught up in Climategate scandal and renewable industry figures convinced the BBC to tear up its impartiality. That is a scandal due to the tax we pay to keep this dinosaur alive. And over the last 6 years have had to listen to PROPAGANDA not science, leading to the Climate Change Act 2008 which is costing us 15bn a year.
Its time for a revolution...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...rse-and-worse/
According to the BBC Charter they are SUPPOSED to be independent in their reporting. In 2006, the BBC held a conference where they called in 28 experts, with the result they decided that global warming was man made and should be reported so.
“The BBC has held a high-level seminar with some of the best scientific experts, and has come to the view that the weight of evidence no longer justifies equal space being given to the opponents of the consensus [on anthropogenic climate change.]”
Note the best scientific experts bit. A blogger wanted to know who they were. He issued a FOI request to the BBC, who swiftly tried to wriggle out of it, to the extent it went to court, and amazingly the BBC won on the grounds it wasn't a public body!
However, through the power of the internet a list was found that DID have the list of attendees, THAT TURN OUT TO MOSTLY BE GREEN ACTIVISTS. That's right, Greenpeace members, people caught up in Climategate scandal and renewable industry figures convinced the BBC to tear up its impartiality. That is a scandal due to the tax we pay to keep this dinosaur alive. And over the last 6 years have had to listen to PROPAGANDA not science, leading to the Climate Change Act 2008 which is costing us 15bn a year.
Its time for a revolution...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...rse-and-worse/
21 November 2012, 01:46 PM
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Lessons have been learned and rolling out the same design in the UK should be a lot more efficient and reliable.
21 November 2012, 02:56 PM
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Related to this is whats going on in Germany at the moment.
Since the Fukushima disaster in Japan, Germany has made the decision to close all its nuclear power plants by 2022. Replacing them with coal.
So whilst Britain struggles on to meet unachievable and expensive targets to reduce carbon emissions, Germany has given the one finger salute to the whole thing.
Chasing the green dream is killing our economy; I suppose I can live in hope that somebody might do something about it, but I won’t hold my breath.
Since the Fukushima disaster in Japan, Germany has made the decision to close all its nuclear power plants by 2022. Replacing them with coal.
So whilst Britain struggles on to meet unachievable and expensive targets to reduce carbon emissions, Germany has given the one finger salute to the whole thing.
Chasing the green dream is killing our economy; I suppose I can live in hope that somebody might do something about it, but I won’t hold my breath.
It is not due to Fukushima that they decided to do this.
21 November 2012, 03:35 PM
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Related to this is whats going on in Germany at the moment.
Since the Fukushima disaster in Japan, Germany has made the decision to close all its nuclear power plants by 2022. Replacing them with coal.
So whilst Britain struggles on to meet unachievable and expensive targets to reduce carbon emissions, Germany has given the one finger salute to the whole thing.
Chasing the green dream is killing our economy; I suppose I can live in hope that somebody might do something about it, but I won’t hold my breath.
Since the Fukushima disaster in Japan, Germany has made the decision to close all its nuclear power plants by 2022. Replacing them with coal.
So whilst Britain struggles on to meet unachievable and expensive targets to reduce carbon emissions, Germany has given the one finger salute to the whole thing.
Chasing the green dream is killing our economy; I suppose I can live in hope that somebody might do something about it, but I won’t hold my breath.
.Are we all in the same organisation?
21 November 2012, 03:58 PM
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Actually I think this goes alot deaper than the BBC. The government at the time were trying to justify green taxes as a form of revenue for the coffers, and also at the same time trying to set up and encourage new green industries in the UK. For tax to be brought in it has to be jusitfied to the public, also, for a new industry to start, its needs to gain a foothold in its home market by convincing the public to buy into it.
The BBC was just meerly used as a means to broadcast the spin.
The BBC was just meerly used as a means to broadcast the spin.
21 November 2012, 04:17 PM
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Have these people said what it is which actually causes what they call "climate change"?
It will be interesting if they say it is caused by global warming since the scientists now tell us that there has been no global warmimg for some 16 years now!
That must be why they now wittle on about "climate change" instead of "global warming"but what is causing it and how are we guilty? What has "carbon" got to do with it?
Les
It will be interesting if they say it is caused by global warming since the scientists now tell us that there has been no global warmimg for some 16 years now!
That must be why they now wittle on about "climate change" instead of "global warming"but what is causing it and how are we guilty? What has "carbon" got to do with it?
Les
21 November 2012, 04:28 PM
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Have these people said what it is which actually causes what they call "climate change"?
It will be interesting if they say it is caused by global warming since the scientists now tell us that there has been no global warmimg for some 16 years now!
That must be why they now wittle on about "climate change" instead of "global warming"but what is causing it and how are we guilty? What has "carbon" got to do with it?
Les
It will be interesting if they say it is caused by global warming since the scientists now tell us that there has been no global warmimg for some 16 years now!
That must be why they now wittle on about "climate change" instead of "global warming"but what is causing it and how are we guilty? What has "carbon" got to do with it?
Les
We need names, data and charts... proof!
21 November 2012, 04:52 PM
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we also have massive incineration plants that burn all non recyclable rubbish and from that they heat water and pump it round houses in certain areas. It got to the stage a few years ago the recycling rules were so strict they didn't have enough rubbish to burn so were having to add oil into the furnaces to keep them going. They relaxed the rules slightly but not much so as to be able to burn stuff as they had to much recycling.
We also have massive solar farms aswell dotted round the place.
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21 November 2012, 05:52 PM
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I will have you know "The Boxheads" are greener and recycle more than you lot. Recycling is law here and you can be in serious **** if you get caught not recycling. Also we do not have landfill tips here all our Wersthofhofs have seperate bins for everything and you get in the **** if you put the wrong stuff in the wrong bin. When I first moved here we had 7 bins just for plastic. Every thing has to be seperated. We also have our car road tax worked out on the emissions and engine size of our cars.
we also have massive incineration plants that burn all non recyclable rubbish and from that they heat water and pump it round houses in certain areas. It got to the stage a few years ago the recycling rules were so strict they didn't have enough rubbish to burn so were having to add oil into the furnaces to keep them going. They relaxed the rules slightly but not much so as to be able to burn stuff as they had to much recycling.
We also have massive solar farms aswell dotted round the place.
we also have massive incineration plants that burn all non recyclable rubbish and from that they heat water and pump it round houses in certain areas. It got to the stage a few years ago the recycling rules were so strict they didn't have enough rubbish to burn so were having to add oil into the furnaces to keep them going. They relaxed the rules slightly but not much so as to be able to burn stuff as they had to much recycling.
We also have massive solar farms aswell dotted round the place.
And unlike this country, it was properly assessed and organised at a national level, rather than left in the hands of individual councils loaded with corrupt, self-serving, gravy train riding spivs
21 November 2012, 05:54 PM
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Anyway, back on topic, the BBC's blatant lack of impartiality on this subject has been apparent for some time, that report in the Telegraph doesn't surprise me in the slightest 
21 November 2012, 07:55 PM
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Can somebody tell me the last time the BBC fed me impartial information regarding global warming, seeing how controlling they are according to comments on here?
21 November 2012, 08:26 PM
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Bear in mind the one plant that is behind schedule has a conrete base with of cracks/faults, and teh Chinese to have a blinkered view when it comes to keeping things within budget/schedule. All I keep thinking of is the tower block in Shanghai that toppled over. Have the lessons been learnt...or just ignored.
And of course, when was the last time teh UK saw a large £billion pound construction project run on schedule and on budget?
Seriously though, for the BBC to create a program that is clearly of a propaganda nature, there has to be an agenda. For there to be an agenda, there has to be someone who will gain benefit from broadcasting this program.
21 November 2012, 10:32 PM
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Found what I was looking for last night on this as I've only got a pdf my dad sent me a while ago; Dr David M W Evans white paper "The Sceptics Case"
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/01/dr-...skeptics-case/
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/01/dr-...skeptics-case/
22 November 2012, 09:08 AM
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And why is that not impartial? If you know why sea levels are rising and it's not because of global warming, why don't you tell the world what you've discovered?
Just don't get this ingrained notion of bias against the BBC. Never have.
22 November 2012, 12:11 PM
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One of the things that gets me is that GW has found it's way onto schools curriculae.
Within a VERY few years we will have a whole generation who think it's gospel because they were taught it in school, and anyone who disgarees will be shouted down.......oh, wait, that's already happening.....
Within a VERY few years we will have a whole generation who think it's gospel because they were taught it in school, and anyone who disgarees will be shouted down.......oh, wait, that's already happening.....