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I wonder if I am right in thinking that it was Hamas which started the rocket firing on their own account?
I would thought that they know by now that you don't mess with the Israelis, they have demonstrated well enough in the past that they are not slow with a significant response to that sort of behaviour.
Can they be blamed for shooting back!
Les
I would thought that they know by now that you don't mess with the Israelis, they have demonstrated well enough in the past that they are not slow with a significant response to that sort of behaviour.
Can they be blamed for shooting back!
Les
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All leaders are mad, this is a given. I mean look at how he lives, he sleeps on floor like everyone else, eats with the people, sacked all the cronies that were eating money out of the governing office and relinquished a load of departments that were acting as choking points. Then he had the audacity to recoup so much lost money and put it to good use (I know, crazy right!). And if that wasn't enough, he had the cheek to tell people the truth...
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"The escalation started when an Israeli military incursion into Gaza on 8 November killed a Palestinian child"
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Oooo Scarry Hamas charter. Muslamic terrorist and all. What Hamas need are a few reinforcements from Hezbollah to even out the impact a little.
Or alternatively they could all see some common ground and make friends :-)
Or alternatively they could all see some common ground and make friends :-)
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I'm sure the pro-Hamas posters like Hodgy will find some value in this.
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It was an intentional mistranslation of him speaking about the "peace agreement map" that Israel had to adhere to but then broke the treaty.
All leaders are mad, this is a given. I mean look at how he lives, he sleeps on floor like everyone else, eats with the people, sacked all the cronies that were eating money out of the governing office and relinquished a load of departments that were acting as choking points. Then he had the audacity to recoup so much lost money and put it to good use (I know, crazy right!). And if that wasn't enough, he had the cheek to tell people the truth...
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All leaders are mad, this is a given. I mean look at how he lives, he sleeps on floor like everyone else, eats with the people, sacked all the cronies that were eating money out of the governing office and relinquished a load of departments that were acting as choking points. Then he had the audacity to recoup so much lost money and put it to good use (I know, crazy right!). And if that wasn't enough, he had the cheek to tell people the truth...
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On this subject?
I know a damn sight more about this than you'd ever think, and more than I'd ever let on, but I have more important things to expend my energy and resources on right now.
Like living.
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I am not discounting you know a great deal about him, I was being sarcastic - he is an educated leader and one that has done a great deal for his country even if he is portrayed as demon by the west.
Hody0_2 answered the OP's question some time back.
In 20 years time we'll look back and wonder how it was that we in the West stood by and watched and supported a 21st century re-run of apartheid in the Israel/Palestine conflict.
Time is running out for Israel:
The changing ethnic breakdown in the USA means that soon Israel will no longer be able to rely on a US presidency beholden to the US Jewish lobby to continually side with Israel and delay progress towards a long-term two state solution.
It's siege and sea blockade of Gaza is losing it its few Middle East friends like Turkey and Eygpt.
Hamas' 'small' rockets from Gaza can now reach Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
The balance of power in the Middle East is shifting and Iran will shortly have nuclear weapons (it can be delayed but can't be stopped) and Israel will have to readjust it's relationship with its neighbours.
TV pictures of Palestine children with shrapnel wounds lying in ill-equipped, sweaty hospitals continue to erode what little support it has left in the wider world.
However I'm not going to hold my breath for change while Netanyahu (the little **** who's threathening to start World War 3) is in power.
Time is running out for Israel:
The changing ethnic breakdown in the USA means that soon Israel will no longer be able to rely on a US presidency beholden to the US Jewish lobby to continually side with Israel and delay progress towards a long-term two state solution.
It's siege and sea blockade of Gaza is losing it its few Middle East friends like Turkey and Eygpt.
Hamas' 'small' rockets from Gaza can now reach Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
The balance of power in the Middle East is shifting and Iran will shortly have nuclear weapons (it can be delayed but can't be stopped) and Israel will have to readjust it's relationship with its neighbours.
TV pictures of Palestine children with shrapnel wounds lying in ill-equipped, sweaty hospitals continue to erode what little support it has left in the wider world.
However I'm not going to hold my breath for change while Netanyahu (the little **** who's threathening to start World War 3) is in power.
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One possibility...
- The bigger Hammas rockets are built and supplied by Iran.
- Sooner or later Israel may feel bound to strike at Iran.
- If Israel strikes at Iran, Hammas would react by supporting Iran.
In my scenario, Israel causes Hammas to reduce its supply of rockets by provoking them now. Israeli casualties caused by Iranian made weapons is likely to soften any movement against striking at Iran.
Personally, I don't believe Iran needs a nuke to worry Israel. A dirty bomb/warhead would have a similar effect, given how small Israel is.
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- The bigger Hammas rockets are built and supplied by Iran.
- Sooner or later Israel may feel bound to strike at Iran.
- If Israel strikes at Iran, Hammas would react by supporting Iran.
In my scenario, Israel causes Hammas to reduce its supply of rockets by provoking them now. Israeli casualties caused by Iranian made weapons is likely to soften any movement against striking at Iran.
Personally, I don't believe Iran needs a nuke to worry Israel. A dirty bomb/warhead would have a similar effect, given how small Israel is.
J.
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Though (as you can read in earlier posts) it has succeeded in getting across the message to the Israeli electorate and the world that it can and would.
Israel’s even gone as far as very publicly releasing details of its ‘what if we strike first?’ war game studies (Israel wins in its scenarios, of course). Hardly the way you’d plan a genuine pre-emptive surprise attack; just rattling its sabre and ramping up of the threat again.
What few seem to have noticed is that Iran’s response has been quiet but clear and much more frightening. The word from Tehran is: if attacked Iran would scarcely bother with Israel. Instead it would deliver its response in the bigger, easier and more hysterical target of the USA.
This ups the pressure on America to keep Netanyahu in line.
So, no Israeli attack on Iran. Instead, Tehran gets its bomb (sanctions, currency manipulation and viruses permitting).
No-one really needs a nuke apart from:
- Britain (to keep our place on the Security Council),
- USA (used ‘em twice so they know there’s a remote threat that someone else might use one against them)
- China (“We’re a super power”)
- India (‘cos Pakistan’s got one)
- Pakistan (‘cos India’s got one)
- Israel (“We’re surrounded by enemies who want to push us into the sea just ‘cos we’ve pushed them into the sea”)
- North Korea (“We’re the baddest badass on the planet”)
- France (‘cos, er, er…)
As Russia and its belligerent leader showed us in Chechnya, you can just as easily raze a whole country to rubble with conventional weapons. Plus, there’s no nuclear fallout risk and no-one in the world bats an eyelid.
Iran just needs the bomb to confirm her place as the other regional superpower to Israel now that the US and Britain so kindly disposed of Saddam and the Iraqi threat.
Oh, and to have the *****-waving kudos of being the keepers of the Arab bomb (well Persian, really).
- Britain (to keep our place on the Security Council),
- USA (used ‘em twice so they know there’s a remote threat that someone else might use one against them)
- China (“We’re a super power”)
- India (‘cos Pakistan’s got one)
- Pakistan (‘cos India’s got one)
- Israel (“We’re surrounded by enemies who want to push us into the sea just ‘cos we’ve pushed them into the sea”)
- North Korea (“We’re the baddest badass on the planet”)
- France (‘cos, er, er…)
As Russia and its belligerent leader showed us in Chechnya, you can just as easily raze a whole country to rubble with conventional weapons. Plus, there’s no nuclear fallout risk and no-one in the world bats an eyelid.
Iran just needs the bomb to confirm her place as the other regional superpower to Israel now that the US and Britain so kindly disposed of Saddam and the Iraqi threat.
Oh, and to have the *****-waving kudos of being the keepers of the Arab bomb (well Persian, really).
thats just crap, the casualties speak for themselves.. yeah israel flies over dropping leaflets telling them to move outta the areas etc. thats a loada rubbish where are they meant to go?
Gaza is roughly around 25mile long by 6miles? with a population of nearly 2 million. It is the most densely populated area in the world! There are are no bunkers, or safe places for Palestinians in Gaza to take cover when Israeli bombs drop.
Over 50 per cent of Gaza’s population are children under the age of 16!
Some facts about Gaza..
Between 2009 (after Operation Cast Lead) and 2012 (before Pillar of Defence) Israel killed 271 Palestinians in Gaza. During this period 3 Israelis also died.
David Cameron on 10 July 2010 referred to Gaza as a "prison camp" and "some sort of open-air prison".
Israel has held an iron fist siege around Gaza from land, air and sea since 2000. Since the withdrawal of its troops and settlers from the Strip in 2005, Israel continues to control Gaza’s airspace, territorial waters and border crossings. Thus, it is defacto still occupying Gaza.
The Gaza crossing with Egypt (Rafah) is operated under strict Oslo Accords. It is monitored by the EU, and restricts movement of goods and is only open to people and specified goods. The tunnels dug by Palestinians beneath the border with Egypt provide the only avenue for the import of materials for building and other essentials including food and medicines, and even livestock.
Since Palestinians elected Hamas as their government in 2006 the siege has intensified and most international lawyers, as well as the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), consider the blockade to be illegal under international humanitarian law. In 2009, a UN panel, led by distinguished South African judge and self-confessed Zionist Richard Goldstone, accused Israel of imposing "a blockade which amounted to collective punishment".
In 2006, Dov Weissglass, the then chief of staff to Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon summed up his government's approach to Gaza and its residents when he confessed: "The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger." ‘Red Lines’: The official Israeli document for food consumption in Gaza under siege shows how Israeli officials worked out that they must allow only 2,279 calories per person to be imported into Gaza to avoid total starvation.
Over 50 per cent of Gaza’s population are children under the age of 16. Some 10% of children under five in the Gaza Strip have stunted growth due to prolonged malnutrition. The unemployment rate in Gaza is 40% - and stands at 58% among young people.
On 18 November 2012, the World Health Organisation warned of "severe shortages" in medical facilities in Gaza with some medicines running out.
Israel has given varied reasons for its attack on Gaza. Ehud Barack said it was to boost Israeli “deterrence”; while Israeli deputy prime minister, Eli Yishai, said: "The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years." And the Chief Rabbi in England was caught on air stating that the Gaza attack actually ‘had something to do with Iran.’
http://www.foa.org.uk/news/facts-about-gaza
Gaza is roughly around 25mile long by 6miles? with a population of nearly 2 million. It is the most densely populated area in the world! There are are no bunkers, or safe places for Palestinians in Gaza to take cover when Israeli bombs drop.
Over 50 per cent of Gaza’s population are children under the age of 16!
Some facts about Gaza..
Between 2009 (after Operation Cast Lead) and 2012 (before Pillar of Defence) Israel killed 271 Palestinians in Gaza. During this period 3 Israelis also died.
David Cameron on 10 July 2010 referred to Gaza as a "prison camp" and "some sort of open-air prison".
Israel has held an iron fist siege around Gaza from land, air and sea since 2000. Since the withdrawal of its troops and settlers from the Strip in 2005, Israel continues to control Gaza’s airspace, territorial waters and border crossings. Thus, it is defacto still occupying Gaza.
The Gaza crossing with Egypt (Rafah) is operated under strict Oslo Accords. It is monitored by the EU, and restricts movement of goods and is only open to people and specified goods. The tunnels dug by Palestinians beneath the border with Egypt provide the only avenue for the import of materials for building and other essentials including food and medicines, and even livestock.
Since Palestinians elected Hamas as their government in 2006 the siege has intensified and most international lawyers, as well as the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), consider the blockade to be illegal under international humanitarian law. In 2009, a UN panel, led by distinguished South African judge and self-confessed Zionist Richard Goldstone, accused Israel of imposing "a blockade which amounted to collective punishment".
In 2006, Dov Weissglass, the then chief of staff to Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon summed up his government's approach to Gaza and its residents when he confessed: "The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger." ‘Red Lines’: The official Israeli document for food consumption in Gaza under siege shows how Israeli officials worked out that they must allow only 2,279 calories per person to be imported into Gaza to avoid total starvation.
Over 50 per cent of Gaza’s population are children under the age of 16. Some 10% of children under five in the Gaza Strip have stunted growth due to prolonged malnutrition. The unemployment rate in Gaza is 40% - and stands at 58% among young people.
On 18 November 2012, the World Health Organisation warned of "severe shortages" in medical facilities in Gaza with some medicines running out.
Israel has given varied reasons for its attack on Gaza. Ehud Barack said it was to boost Israeli “deterrence”; while Israeli deputy prime minister, Eli Yishai, said: "The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years." And the Chief Rabbi in England was caught on air stating that the Gaza attack actually ‘had something to do with Iran.’
http://www.foa.org.uk/news/facts-about-gaza
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anyone who supports hamas should d1e with them . hamas are the same peoples who caused 9/11 and the london bombings because there dirty filth. they kill there own people and all this regarding kids its all exaggerated they always show kids to make isreal look bad ALWAYS. look at syria they all killing there own people because they all the same isreal looks after there own. also only reason why there aint more isrealis dead is because GAZA have not got the power and weapons to do so. hamas target innocent people isreal does not also gaza residents are warned before hand.
AND all of you that say isreal stole there land bs. isreal needs there own home and they belong there also they tried to live with the palastinians but they would not have it so isreal devided themselfs. isreal are more then fair they have given back land in the past. and play the game fair. muslims all want isreal of the earth so good for isreal to be strong. i think they should flaten gaza the dirty scum.
another thing is if we gonna act like isreal stole a country look at britain and america etc we shouldnt own the falklands . we shouldnt have gone into afgan. australia . plus the british took over palastein in the first place . but we wont look at ourselfs but judge other countries yeh? so we should be ashamed of ourselfs.
isreal is not even 1% of land in middleeast but muslim states are greedy even in britain they want to have sharia law so get real people otherwise next time a terrorist bombs in britain do not complain about it or retaliate.
AND all of you that say isreal stole there land bs. isreal needs there own home and they belong there also they tried to live with the palastinians but they would not have it so isreal devided themselfs. isreal are more then fair they have given back land in the past. and play the game fair. muslims all want isreal of the earth so good for isreal to be strong. i think they should flaten gaza the dirty scum.
another thing is if we gonna act like isreal stole a country look at britain and america etc we shouldnt own the falklands . we shouldnt have gone into afgan. australia . plus the british took over palastein in the first place . but we wont look at ourselfs but judge other countries yeh? so we should be ashamed of ourselfs.
isreal is not even 1% of land in middleeast but muslim states are greedy even in britain they want to have sharia law so get real people otherwise next time a terrorist bombs in britain do not complain about it or retaliate.
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anyone who supports hamas should d1e with them . hamas are the same peoples who caused 9/11 and the london bombings because there dirty filth. they kill there own people and all this regarding kids its all exaggerated they always show kids to make isreal look bad ALWAYS. look at syria they all killing there own people because they all the same isreal looks after there own. also only reason why there aint more isrealis dead is because GAZA have not got the power and weapons to do so. hamas target innocent people isreal does not also gaza residents are warned before hand.
AND all of you that say isreal stole there land bs. isreal needs there own home and they belong there also they tried to live with the palastinians but they would not have it so isreal devided themselfs. isreal are more then fair they have given back land in the past. and play the game fair. muslims all want isreal of the earth so good for isreal to be strong. i think they should flaten gaza the dirty scum.
another thing is if we gonna act like isreal stole a country look at britain and america etc we shouldnt own the falklands . we shouldnt have gone into afgan. australia . plus the british took over palastein in the first place . but we wont look at ourselfs but judge other countries yeh? so we should be ashamed of ourselfs.
isreal is not even 1% of land in middleeast but muslim states are greedy even in britain they want to have sharia law so get real people otherwise next time a terrorist bombs in britain do not complain about it or retaliate.
AND all of you that say isreal stole there land bs. isreal needs there own home and they belong there also they tried to live with the palastinians but they would not have it so isreal devided themselfs. isreal are more then fair they have given back land in the past. and play the game fair. muslims all want isreal of the earth so good for isreal to be strong. i think they should flaten gaza the dirty scum.
another thing is if we gonna act like isreal stole a country look at britain and america etc we shouldnt own the falklands . we shouldnt have gone into afgan. australia . plus the british took over palastein in the first place . but we wont look at ourselfs but judge other countries yeh? so we should be ashamed of ourselfs.
isreal is not even 1% of land in middleeast but muslim states are greedy even in britain they want to have sharia law so get real people otherwise next time a terrorist bombs in britain do not complain about it or retaliate.
Thanks, you've cheered me up. Next time you're in Brum send me a PM i'll arrange for some sheep for your pleasure
eggy790 you dunno what you talking you reading things that are agaist isreal because your naive . arabs will always stab you in the back if isreal didnt want gaza there they could of wiped it out ages ago use your head. why dont none of the other arab countries take in palastinians no they slate isreal but dont even look after there own.
watch aljazeera its all agaist isreal with made up stories and thats why people dont know whats really going on jews are peacefull muslims are not look around mate . funny why knowone is commenting on syria killing 40000 of there own people but isreal is bad for sticking up for themselfs . you are clueless
i not jewish or muslim so i not on anyone side but people need to see the truth before they have something to say. plus i have muslim friends and we always have laff and joke . just annoying listening to some of the storys on here
watch aljazeera its all agaist isreal with made up stories and thats why people dont know whats really going on jews are peacefull muslims are not look around mate . funny why knowone is commenting on syria killing 40000 of there own people but isreal is bad for sticking up for themselfs . you are clueless
i not jewish or muslim so i not on anyone side but people need to see the truth before they have something to say. plus i have muslim friends and we always have laff and joke . just annoying listening to some of the storys on here
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eggy790 you dunno what you talking you reading things that are agaist isreal because your naive . arabs will always stab you in the back if isreal didnt want gaza there they could of wiped it out ages ago use your head. why dont none of the other arab countries take in palastinians no they slate isreal but dont even look after there own.
watch aljazeera its all agaist isreal with made up stories and thats why people dont know whats really going on jews are peacefull muslims are not look around mate . funny why knowone is commenting on syria killing 40000 of there own people but isreal is bad for sticking up for themselfs . you are clueless
watch aljazeera its all agaist isreal with made up stories and thats why people dont know whats really going on jews are peacefull muslims are not look around mate . funny why knowone is commenting on syria killing 40000 of there own people but isreal is bad for sticking up for themselfs . you are clueless
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we should all live together in peace but we dont . turks dont like the greeks. japanese dont like the chinese. muslims dont like the jews . we wipe out animals that should not be killed . we are all the same and should learn to live together
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