toneh

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Hi buddy , it's all good , you mean that same dodgy software Andy Carr is using
, ok it's still got to be mapped to run well , but at least we Now all know we're starting off with a rom that's good to use

Oh got some tyres & prodrive suspension ( check me out lol)

toneh

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It's been said numerous times mate , trawl through pages of bull on mapping and you'll find it ( and straight from the horses mouth ), the most recent was addi monsters thread a few days ago , o/s mapping toys or summat

L.J.F

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Who gives a toss what software is being used by open source mappers, as long as the car performs as the customer wants then I can't really see the point of certain people on here banging on about it tbh!

I am guessing DIY amateurs with a axe to grind because they have been mocked by the experienced guys

* * * KEV * * *

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Well Said m8, certain people on here with nothing else better to do me thinks !!!!!! If you don't want your car mapping by Andrew, your choice, your money, go and use another mapper but what does it really matter whatever software he's using?

Infected by sti

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It's not the software that's used, its the "renamed" software that's hit a nerve. DIY mappers with an axe to grind?? Not from what I've read, I'd say they were making their point bit like you have just done

toneh

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Which bit do you not understand ,
The point is , the pro mappers have been saying some of the o/s software either DIY or other have been using is no good , not proven , has bugs , at beta stage , unstable , yet it transpires that they are using it !

What do you find hard to understand about that

It's do as I say not as i do


So next time you post about axe grinding or other may I suggest you actually know what you're talking about

toneh

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It's not the issue of who to map , I've no doubt Andy is a fantastic mapper
And it's never been said otherwise

See above post a

Some of the guys posting on this thread seem to have little idea to the relevance of discrediting software from either the developers point of view or a users point of view

As for does it matter what software he's using ,,, of course it does , it seems obvious you guys also have no idea at all what roms, defs, are and the importance

L.J.F

iTrader: (31)

I know what the mappers have said about the software and tbh I can see why they have done so- more money.

Start telling amateurs tips and tricks and before you know it your being undercut by some chump who is willing to do it for half the price because its still more than he earns his dead end job

L.J.F

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Oh and as for rebranding the software, well it's offered free on the net and isn't copyrighted so technically once he has added a few touches to it he is free to call it what he wants!

toneh

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Total and utter rubbish , the amount of DIY mappers is tiny
And are mostly limited to Subaru & evo For diy
The Subaru market is shrinking anyway
Pro mappers don't only map these cars they map a multitude of vehicles

So the losses would be so low it's not worth bothering ,

I'm a welder fabricator by trade and if Somone asked what equipment to use or best method , I wouldn't hesitate to help
And there are a lot more DIY welders than mappers

Same goes for , plumbing , plastering , vehicle maintenance /repair
Ect ect

So you say let's make DIY shops , builders merchants , motor factors Available to trade only so they don't lose work

toneh

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Mate ffs speed up , it's not just the fact of rebranding , it's also the fact the impression was given was that it was superior , when in fact it was the same rom the every one has and is already using

Infected by sti

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Very true!

Shame he said it is the Carberry rom really then aint it and has now taken the super rom down by all accounts

I'm not passing judgment by the way on anybody or their skills, LET THAT BE KNOWN! Just saying as I see it from what I have read thought the forum(s) as you must see why carbibles may have been a little annoyed

toneh

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This is where folk are getting confused

It's never been a question of Andy carrs mapping skills
That will speak for itself and recommendations , which is all good and how it should be

Been wondering about supernoodles. , they may be the same price and same quality as standard Noodles , but are they better

The Trooper 1815

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My car was made by Subaru, it's got a wheel at each corner, an engine, doors etc etc.

I don't see Mercedes suing Subaru for copyright theft or having a paddy because it's like one of theirs!

If Andy Carr de-bugged, improved or made changes to a free open source product then what's the problem?

toneh

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I now give up , on this topic and this forum

Some folk on here are so ****ing thick it's beyond belief

THE CARBERRY ROM HAS BEEN DISMISSED BY VARIOUS PEOPLE
AS NOT GOOD TO USE
YET AS A PRO MAPPER HE WAS USING IT
MEANING IT WAS FINE ALL ALONG

Get it now thicko


I can't be bothered with this forum no more
Even when Andy Carr has admitted he was out of order and apologised
People still are that stupid they can't even see the wrong elements
Yet it's all in black and white

To the guys that have joined in my threads with good / bad or constructive comments , thanks
To the guys that post on threads with no idea about the topic in question
I suggest you pop over to twycross zoo and ask about a brain swap with a monkey ( would be 100% improvement )

I'm done

bustaMOVEs

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Ah I see never seen him post so presumed he wasn't on here
This is what Tony's trying to prove, nothing to do with andys mapping or abilities, but the fact he is using a proven software to map cars and everyone has been satisfactory etc. and then other mapper(s) were saying this software is rubbish etc etc pecificley to toneh on the thread called 'mapping rip off' that's why toneh is upset and scince he started that thread he has had nothing but negativity thrown at him, so now it's come out that andy uses it and everyone knows he is a good mapper then why would the said mapper say its rubbish.
I can see toneh point to why he's upset and now it's becoming apparent the the said mappers that was mocking toneh on the mapping threads appear to be using the same software, now you can see where this is going.

I understand the bibbles put it up on a Internet site but ffs did you really thing that nothing out toward would happen, other people around the world are probably taking advantage of it,
Maybe if you don't want things to get out of control with personal stuff then don't post it on the Internet,
I can agree it was a bit wrong but this is only 1 person they may have caught out, probably because there is a member that obviously has a gripe with him.
Regards

john banks

Close to home this topic, as I've produced open and closed source extensive ROM mods on different platforms along very similar functional lines (eg SD, realtime, limit increasing, new functions in code etc, and it is a relatively small bunch of people that do it compared with simply mapping open or closed source).

There seem to be a variety of methods people use for open source distribution, some less formal than others. Some also involve donations and spin off products. It always seems to be polite even if not demanded in the license to acknowledge the original author and not deliberately or by insinuation pass off work as your own, and for collaboration on MAFSIM, Andrew Carr did acknowledge my work, as have others for my unlicensed Evo open source ROM mods. The Cobb work for the GTR was kept secret as it was commercial.

I'm sure Andrew Carr appreciates the work involved in creating a heavily modified ROM as he is well capable from what I know of him of doing it himself given time and if he states he intended no rip off I believe him and suspect he was simply misguided on this occasion rather than malignant.

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

Can I suggest "toneh" that your careful in who you slag off.

What gives you the right to call me thicko? Do you know me? What I do for a living? How much I earn or my educational abilities?

Have I said anything against you?

Your products?

What you do?

For all I know you could sit indoors all day, in a little dark bedroom, tweaking computer ROM maps, talking to your group of virtual friends, whilst wearing a pink t-shirt, thong and with a ***** on full speed up your sh*tter. You sound like the PS Lewis of mapping!

I have made a comment about what I see as gone on. He got something that had problems, made them better and cracked on.

What's wrong with that?

And judging by your replies can I suggest either staying off the 'roids or gettings some anger management booked.

toneh

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I get sick and tired of reading lame comments

Ok tell us all what changes Andy made to the rom to improve it

Second tell us why that specific rom has been named as not recommended for use and has potential problems

My mouth is now shut and my ears are ready

bustaMOVEs

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there has been no problems with this rom from the start, other mappers have been slagging it off, probably because to protect their lively hood

scoobiewrx555

I think the point is you have made this incorrect comment whilst not reading the whole thread from the start. If you had i'm sure you wouldn't have posted what you did.

A Carr has since made a statement on SN a few pages back to the effect that he admits that SuperROM is indeed Carberry in every way shape and form, and that no improvements or changes whatsoever were made to this ROM to cure any instability issues because there were/are none.

2pot

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That's it in a nutshell - It didn't, nor has it, any problems.

toneh

iTrader: (1)

Hi John , both you and I know exactly my point and seeing your one of the higher regarded members of the mapping scene
Could you explain why the pro mappers have been dismissing this rom , yet on the other hand using it ?

john banks

Posturing, jealousy, reputation, profiteering and stupidity in a uniquely human combination explains the dynamics I suspect. On a positive note, some genuinely believe their offering is of high quality and aim for excellence, but the above elements always enter to a degree?

toneh

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Thank you John , at least you're not on the fence
As you can imagine I'm a little ****** off after constantly being told you can't use that because , beta , unstable , not proven ect

It's really put a bee in my bonnet , because it's all been lies and it's not necessary

john banks

I've not used it, I was speaking generically about industry opinion of open source stuff.

If cars genuinely run well on it without foibles that outweigh the benefits then what is the problem except in the mind or speech of competitors?

scoobiewrx555

The only foibles with Carberry are.....

Very low speed running when rotational Idle is invoked but you need the throttle jacked open a bit in order to run ALS properly otherwise with the throttle closed at idle all you get is the most enormous pops and bangs with ALS function switched on.

If you like just the pops and bangs just leave rotational idle off and it does sound pretty damn good. Crackles like hell.

The other thing is running ALS properly with the throttle jacked open does mean it affects your brakes because you don't get a vacuum for the brake servo to work so although you may get one full application of the brakes subsequent applications leave you with a rock hard pedal and no brakes.

IMHO you don't really need proper ALS when you've got flat foot shifting, and the reality is most scooby owners will want the ALS function for just for the pops and bangs anyway so leave rotational idle off.

Apart from these couple of very minor things and having to absolutely nail down the IAT fuelling compensation table which is a fair bit if trial and error (not something you can do by just sitting there on idle) it works beautifully.

In reality there are basically no limitations that anyone will exceed even making silly horsepower therefore whatever your power hardware is capable of delivering Carberry can muster!!

It just needs a fair bit of time and patience to get it running as bang on as it will ever be. Like anything else you can fine tune it till the cows come home and it will never be perfect but It really isn't something you can do in just a couple of hours either.

john banks

Not tuned it, but they sound like the issues with ALS and the nature of SD rather than the ROM itself, and I think that is what you're getting at.

scoobiewrx555

I think with the nature of rally cars and the fact this ROM based on the GrpN Rally ROM i believe it's more biased towards WOT and higher end part throttle rather than low part throttle/ low speed smooth running which isn't a pre-requisite on a rally car.

So long as the end user understands and accepts the low end stuff then they'll find that it's actually very nice and smooth to use overall and cruises beautifully. Like turbo lag you end up driving around things like that anyway and eventually you learn to drive the car smooth up and down the scale.

I much prefer running MAFless and Carberry is nothing short of a revelation for the factory ECU. Apart from Subaru and maybe EVO ecu's i don't know of many factory ecu's you can get this kind of functionality from.

Carberry is a very credible alternative to spending shedloads on an aftermarket ECU like a Simtek, Gems or maybe even Motec or Syvecs, and possibly new sensors and wiring looms, and subsequent mapping on top thereafter.

Carberry just requires some switches to run switchable mapping and other goodies, minor ECU end loom mods and remapping. Thereafter you're good to go for a fraction of the cost. No brainer IMHO.

I'd love to see a Carberry remapped scoob enter and do well in something like Time Attack, Scooby Shootout or TOTB. I'm certain the new year will bring some interesting surprises using Carberry.

ditchmyster

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Thing is though most of the pro mappers out there that are using O/S were some "chump" under cutting the "pro" mappers a few years back, not sure how long you've been around scooby's, but you should have seen the shyte that was thrown when duncan aka race dynamics burst on the scene a few years back, it was like watching an old frankenstien movie where the villagers went after him with torches mappers and tuners alike.

Now my poor mate toneh is feeling a bit boris karloff on account of all thats been said against O/S, and now hey ho seems he was right after all.


But as usual good old SNET is shooting the messenger yet again, even though his thread was responsible for the creation of the new mapping section, which i for one think was something very good and useful to forum members.

I hope toneh does turn pro, as he seems to know more about mapping than one of the numpties that mapped my car, which shat itself twice FYI, and he's local to me and me new mapping best buddy so i'm in for a freebie.