The only thing that has changed in the last 700 years is technology. The world is still full of injustice, war, famine and people out to shaft each other.

It's just easier with modern technology

Geezer

 

very good point
also harder to get away with through newspapers and the internet

 

maybe it is ideological but then again maybe it isnt nobody can say for sure until it has happened and for me I am willing to take a stand and go for it.

 

No i get that. Fortunately (for your country), enough other people can do the maths and not trust to luck for the Independence vote to get through. I guess it's healthy to be patriotic, but i wouldn't want to see a neighbouring country flounder just because a minority of the population thought they could defy the odds, logic and arithmetic.

 

just for the record you dont know its a minority until the vote has happened
come on tell me how we would fail if independence was to happen ?
or is your assumptions just guess work

 

Nobody knows for sure, otherwise it wouldn't be discussed. The big unknown is of course North Sea Oil. But you can't base a case for independence on a single unknown factor, in a world desperately looking for oil alternatives. Well you can, but then we're back to ideology. Just build another wall so you can't see us and pretend you've "won", that would be my advice

 

I couldn't care less one way or the other about the union.... But if they did gain independence, then the revised Union Flag would look shi'ite!...




And if Wales were to get 'their way', then horror of horrors!!...

 

I agree we cant base a case for independence on solely oil
and for all the bad things people say about salmond on this thread he is pushing forward
alternate forms of energy production with wind farms and hydro generators
which the truly awfull scottish weather would really make use of this means of alternate energy production.
also we have much more resources than energy production.

Also look at norway with similar resources to us scots and they are a power house of a economy

 

LOL thats pretty funny

 

nizmo,we NEEED you (but only for the flag's aesthetic)

 

I like your style joz made me really smile

 

Seriously, I'm very proud of OUR Union Flag - it's the best flag out by a country mile IMO (although Japan's is very cool). Be a shame to see it 'devolve', stylistically-wise, into an 'also-ran'...

 

even if we did get our independence i would still like to see the union jack

TBH we will always need eachother even with independence so if the vote does go through it would be wise for us to keep strong ties

and yea the japan flag is very cool

 

Have you considered how Salmonds Neo-Marxist views will impact the Scottish economy. Or is that a price worth paying for independence?

 

you

 

 

All this talk of Scotland's resources.....

Those resources belong to The United Kingdom of Great Britain and i'll be surprised if we will be handing them over to Scotland if they gain independence.

Have your freedom, but you ain't keeping the oil

 

Lol keep dreaming

those resources belong to The United Kingdom of Great Britain right now but if we get independence
you will have no choice to step back from the oil !

 

Serioulsy - please don't try and comment on that about which you know f*ck all

 

I like it

 

And your answers are?

 

Hey I already answered those and where was your answers to mine !

 

They are financially uneconomic, another of salmonds great ideas.

turbines

 

A couple of problems with this argument. Norway have years of structure and self government.
Scotland wants to be a full member of the EU. Norway ain't.
Will Scotland adopt Norwegian levels of taxation, which are pretty punitive.
The

 

PMSL yea you believe something someone has written so they dont get a wind turbine near their house

 

yea norway do get taxed alot but the pay for a norwegian worker is extremely high

 

You changed your name now? Or does Devildog need you to answer?

 

Because of the massive tax burden. I have lived there and it ain't funny.

 

Oooo

 

Ah, Tel. Here we go again.

Its not about breaking away from the "auld enemy". The one question, however, I've yet to see anyone from any other political party north or south of the border answer with even the remotest degree of satisfaction is:

If no one really cares and we in Scotland are a drain on the rest of the UK, then why not encourage independence?

Ok, so the labour party are dead against it as without the Scottish vote chances are Cameron could **** everyone's granny bareback and the Conservatives would still win every election going. But then, that begs the question, why are the Conservatives even more dead against an independent Scotland than labour appear to be. What possible benefit can the Union bring?

I've heard the "stronger as one united kingdom" but that doesn't wash. On the basis that (natural resources issue aside) London and more specifically "the City" subsidises the rest of Great Britain in its entirity. A point, incidentally, which makes a mockery of people from all of the rest of England commenting about how "their taxes" subsidise Scotland.

Is it ideological? perhaps. Will it happen? Perhaps not. But its a start, and its making people think about it.

For every degree of pro independence spin from the SNP, there are 2 degrees of anti independece spin from Labour and the Coallition.

In reality I don't think anyone truly knows what could happen if Scotland does become independent. But there are many Scots who are willing to believe in themselves and in their country on a scale never before seen and on a scale that the vast majority of England could never even begin to undertstand.

If thats ideological then I'll take it, thank you, because its a fundimental change for Scotland, a nation which has in recent times been lacking in that positivity and that can only ever be a good thing for Scotland.