JTaylor = straws clutching at haha

 

Is it an impartial assessment of the situation in Afghanistan:-

Does it look in detail at the run up to the conflict in Afghanistan?
Does it explain what resource have been stolen?
Does it explain why non-allied nations are winning contracts for mining and exploration?
Does it explain how America will ever recoup the cost of the conflict?
Does it seek to explain WHY in the first place would the US want to embroil itself in Afghanistan, given it's history, without the most serious provocation?


If it does, then I'd probably better watch it

 

If the US and UK are on the rob, why is it only Chinese, Indian and Russian companies have bothered trying to get contracts to strip Afghanistan bare? Are they in on it too, syphoning off all that black gold to fill Esso and BP's pockets, or Barclays and JP Morgan's?

 

Who knows why non Allieds are in there? It seems that the West has done the dirty work an the rest are simply helping themselves.

 

Apparently you don't understand the ideology that controls you.

 

Apparently (well actually it's pretty obvious really) you have a new anus

 

Some of this debate has actually been deeply troubling.

For the life of me I do not get how people can be so forthright on an issue like this, and yet have absolutely no logical argument, no evidence (even circumstantial) and yet be so unshakable in their beliefs?

It is almost as if this has become part of the general Islamic doctrinal narrative ... 'America bad', 'Muslims victims'. And that's the start point for any situation

I don't think for one second the America is all good, and their motives are always altruistic, but you have to judge events on their merits, not take a predetermined 'Islamic' position.

We really do have problem if this is representative on moderate Islamic opinion, and believe me I do not say that lightly!

I'm a pretty liberal and open-minded person (yes I'm the one regularly called lefty namby pamby PC etc etc), but even I have found some of this debate truly mystifying.

To lighten the mood for a moment, the best comment on this thread was Juggers calling ME a 'Daily Mail reader'. Which means I've gone from 'Sandal wearing Guardian reader' to rabid Daily Mail reader in the space of one debate with Juggers... Man I've got to give you all the credit for that

 

So you've all but admitted your theory that the US were in it to get rich makes no sense at all, yet you continue to repeat that theory over and over again, every single time Afghanistan gets mentioned in a thread. Amazing.

Like Martin said, it's deeply troubling that your belief system can make you so brazenly logic-averse.

 

Or maybe you need to stop judging me by my belief system and get over the fact that my beliefs have fark all to do with how i view the USA. I was a great lover of the US and then after 9/11 it lost all respect and sympathy from me. Iraq was about oil and Afghan is about mineral wealth (possibly and likely drugs too). Maybe Afghan did not go as well as the Americans had hoped hence why others are muscling in on the big money and as those muscling in are a bit more than sandle wearing shepards the US can do sweet fa about it.

To make it easier for you to understand if you look at the lie that was Iraq and what has happened since then with the place then logic will dictate Afghan is not about what the official kine is. I find it very difficult to understand why you cannot comprehend that. Maybe it's your spoon feeding that has led you to this state of mind. That is if it is in the press then it must be true, even though the assassination of the whistle-blower before the war and the blatant lies we were fed about Iraq and even today the arming of terrorists in Syria and you still maintain the official story about Afghan being credible? The deciet you have been through, the country, our people have been through and yet you still fail to question yourself as to wtf are we doing in Afghanistan! A very sad state of affairs indeed

 

I give up

 

Your syntax is on a par with your mathematics.
Is that supposed to be moneys or monkeys?
I'm not sure if you are trying to make a point or a joke.
Having said that, I've just got back from the pub and I'll probably laugh at (or believe) anything.

 

Which is small change in the greater scheme of world economics.

The US/ rest of the world are in hock up to their eyeballs to the chinese and probably the russians, and having been to india recently and seeing first hand the rate at which things are moving over there with multi national business head quarters hotels ect going up at a dizzying rate of knots.

Only an ostrich would and could believe that there are no back door/under the table deals going on between the people that control world economics and finance, in fact i firmly believe they are not even doing it under the table it's right out there in the open for even the blind to see.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but i'm confident that as the sands of time pass it will all come out in the wash.

Also just as a side dish, i don't think they give a flying **** about muslims or religion, they are just an easy target, because as this thread and many before it prove, you've only to mention the prophet and they have a mental and want to chop of heads, i'm sure there is a room full of people somewhere pi$$ing themselves everytime they come up with a new way to pull the collective muslim chain/ light the fuse and watch the fireworks display that ensues.

Sad thing here is that seemingly intelligent people (muslims) keep themselves out of the loop and end up being the victims as well as the scape goat, the war's are a means to an end, the only thing they care about is money and the power it brings, it's just the continuation of the great game, it's not rocket science guys, it's just what they do for a living, it's a job to these people.

 

Yes you are; this very post has the menacing timbre of the unfalsifiable and I'm sure people would find fascinating your interpretation of the events of September 11th 2001. Care to share them for old times' sake? I don't think you will because to do so will expose you as a conspiracy theorist and by extension a teller of untruths.

 

I don't think he is. He is spot on about the Muslim chain, even I cringe at times.

 

 

Juggers it seems to me that your opinion has formed out of pub talk and you're looking for any opportunity to substantiate it. The facts, however, just don't support your theory. The US Government probably have a whole host of reasons for getting involved, but putting a flag on Afghan oil, minerals or whatever you come up with next, is just a minor one, if it's a reason at all. You need to take a step back and seriously question your convictions, in my opinion.

 

It's not the pub where these opinions are formed, Tel.

 

Working men's clubs?

 

Closer.

 

Terrorist training sites maybe (disguised as prayer buildings)

 

No, this would involve a commute to Pakistan every Friday.

 

Interesting thread

Just out of curiosity, what's everyones views on the topics raised in documentaries like Fahrenheit 9/11 ?

Biased, circumstantial nonsense ?

 

https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...eit-911-a.html

 

I miss Holy Ghost

 

I miss Mateeboy and the way he used to extol the virtues of his 'soot chucking barge'.

 

You obviously have a short memory, remember we agreed not to engage with one another the last time a similar discussion took place, upon your request/insult to me, i shall hence forth be keeping to my side of the bargain, as i'm a man of my word.

 

Perhaps someone else will enquire after your interpretation of 9/11.

 

For a fiver in a plain envelope

 

You obviously haven't heard of the £130 bus service from Birmingham to Pakistan have you?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-8176008.html

 

Okay my name is Luke Giles and i live in Leigh come on then bring them round. At least 100 of them and make sure they are tooled up and very angry