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07 October 2012, 05:57 PM
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I agree totally with PSL.
The real reason for having a the death penalty is to deter people from murdering others.
The thought of being woken at 6 am in your death cell and being led to the gallows where you are stood on the trap, a noose is placed around your neck, and then the lever is pulled to send you on the long drop is a very strong reason to make people think twice before killing someone else.
Someone who has deliberately killed another person for no good reason does not deserve any special treatment other than having to look forward to the same fate.
The number of murders has increased significantly since the death penalty was stopped. The kind of person who is quite happy to kill someone for their own selfish reasons seems to have increased. I believe that they reckon the risk is worthwhile since they have so much less to lose if they are caught.
I believe that re-introducing the death penalty will save innocent lives.
Les
The real reason for having a the death penalty is to deter people from murdering others.
The thought of being woken at 6 am in your death cell and being led to the gallows where you are stood on the trap, a noose is placed around your neck, and then the lever is pulled to send you on the long drop is a very strong reason to make people think twice before killing someone else.
Someone who has deliberately killed another person for no good reason does not deserve any special treatment other than having to look forward to the same fate.
The number of murders has increased significantly since the death penalty was stopped. The kind of person who is quite happy to kill someone for their own selfish reasons seems to have increased. I believe that they reckon the risk is worthwhile since they have so much less to lose if they are caught.
I believe that re-introducing the death penalty will save innocent lives.
Les
Les you do realise that just repeating the same untruth over and over again, doesn't miraculously change it into a truth?
I think a great deterrent would be to execute the families of murders...that would make them think twice.
You got the stomach for that?
07 October 2012, 05:59 PM
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Easily done just restrict it to murders with multiple witnesses ie that chap that killed the policewomen recently will have had many witnesses.
I don't question it as a deterrent and why spend taxpayers money rehabilitating people that commit murder ie cold blooded killings. F*ck em imho whether it be proper life in jail ie never released or the DP. Lets not forget that the poor b*stard who was murdered isn't coming back and has no prospect of "rehabilitation" either.
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I don't question it as a deterrent and why spend taxpayers money rehabilitating people that commit murder ie cold blooded killings. F*ck em imho whether it be proper life in jail ie never released or the DP. Lets not forget that the poor b*stard who was murdered isn't coming back and has no prospect of "rehabilitation" either.
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07 October 2012, 06:00 PM
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It costs us around 23K per year to house prisoners.
Strip them, fill a car tyre with petrol then pull the tyre over them down to there waist and torch it, with the victims family in attendance so they can enjoy the screaming.
That would be justice for ba5tards like this.
Strip them, fill a car tyre with petrol then pull the tyre over them down to there waist and torch it, with the victims family in attendance so they can enjoy the screaming.
That would be justice for ba5tards like this.
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We can't have people wasting good tyres in a civilised society!!
07 October 2012, 06:03 PM
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Ironically, I think if did all come to the conclusion that the DP could be more humane (and therefore more morally permissible) than imprisonment for life, then everyone would swap sides!
07 October 2012, 06:04 PM
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07 October 2012, 06:04 PM
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It costs us around 23K per year to house prisoners.
Strip them, fill a car tyre with petrol then pull the tyre over them down to there waist and torch it, with the victims family in attendance so they can enjoy the screaming.
That would be justice for ba5tards like this.
Strip them, fill a car tyre with petrol then pull the tyre over them down to there waist and torch it, with the victims family in attendance so they can enjoy the screaming.
That would be justice for ba5tards like this.
07 October 2012, 06:07 PM
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Also, what if the f*cker orders from the Ritz as their last meal?!?! I don't want to pay for that!!
BTW How much is a remould tyre these days?!?
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07 October 2012, 06:09 PM
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Plus nearly all the £23k is a fixed cost, therefore you'd simply transfer most of the cost on to the rest of the prison population
07 October 2012, 06:15 PM
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Killing innocent people as a deterrent because they're related to a convicted murderer...
That definitely cements my opinion of reintroducing the death penalty
07 October 2012, 06:32 PM
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07 October 2012, 07:45 PM
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So you think the fact that people try and kill themselves in prison is a reflection of how bad a punishment it must be ?
Well how about people inside some institutions taking staples out of magazines and placing them under their eyelids
Or the one notorious killer who when examined it was found he had been inserting pins into his groin area and leaving them there for his own kicks ?
I think those against the death penalty do not realise the total freaks that populate our society
As for Brady don't let him die , kill him
Btw ,skullfudge don't sit on the fence ,say what you mean lol
Well how about people inside some institutions taking staples out of magazines and placing them under their eyelids
Or the one notorious killer who when examined it was found he had been inserting pins into his groin area and leaving them there for his own kicks ?
I think those against the death penalty do not realise the total freaks that populate our society
As for Brady don't let him die , kill him
Btw ,skullfudge don't sit on the fence ,say what you mean lol
07 October 2012, 07:54 PM
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07 October 2012, 08:03 PM
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NS04, why have you spent so much time arguing against the death penalty? It's unusual to see you so vociferous. Have you just convinced yourself of your opinion more than most topics or do you have personal experience from which to draw? 
07 October 2012, 08:15 PM
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Who cares if the odd wrong person gets convicted
The chances are they have a long history of other offences anyway ,
You don't just get picked up of the street and put on death row
You've got more chance of being bummed by a perv with staples in his eyes
The chances are they have a long history of other offences anyway ,
You don't just get picked up of the street and put on death row
You've got more chance of being bummed by a perv with staples in his eyes
07 October 2012, 08:16 PM
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Or maybe you just get suicidal people generally...
07 October 2012, 08:20 PM
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for people convicted of heinous crimes that would warrant a death penalty, simple, life in prison.
the economic argument (no one wants to pay for these scum etc etc) is countered by the fact that this is the price of living in a modern civilised society.
As any Yorkshire man knows “you get ought for nought” in life – and regarding a modern civilised and tolerant society this is a case in point.
sure we could bait the masses and behead them as they do in Saudi Arabia – or just shoot them as they do in Afghanistan.
simply put this is not the sort of society I want to live in or bring my children up in (and am prepared to pay via taxes to make sure I don’t) if it wasn't, I would move to the countries mentioned above.
and have the benefit of low taxation and public beheadings
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07 October 2012, 08:27 PM
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well it's not rocket science and has been suggested
for people convicted of heinous crimes that would warrant a death penalty, simple, life in prison.
the economic argument (no one wants to pay for these scum etc etc) is countered by the fact that this is the price of living in a modern civilised society.
As any Yorkshire man knows “you get ought for nought” in life – and regarding a modern civilised and tolerant society this is a case in point.
sure we could bait the masses and behead them as they do in Saudi Arabia – or just shoot them as they do in Afghanistan.
simply put this is not the sort of society I want to live in or bring my children up in (and am prepared to pay via taxes to make sure I don’t) if it wasn't, I would move to the countries mentioned above.
and have the benefit of low taxation and public beheadings
for people convicted of heinous crimes that would warrant a death penalty, simple, life in prison.
the economic argument (no one wants to pay for these scum etc etc) is countered by the fact that this is the price of living in a modern civilised society.
As any Yorkshire man knows “you get ought for nought” in life – and regarding a modern civilised and tolerant society this is a case in point.
sure we could bait the masses and behead them as they do in Saudi Arabia – or just shoot them as they do in Afghanistan.
simply put this is not the sort of society I want to live in or bring my children up in (and am prepared to pay via taxes to make sure I don’t) if it wasn't, I would move to the countries mentioned above.
and have the benefit of low taxation and public beheadings
Yes that's well put
This basically sums up my view too
Being anti DP doesn't mean you are pro-criminal. I couldn't give a damn about the guilty, what I care about is our society.
07 October 2012, 08:28 PM
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It's been ages since I've had a good debate and I was bored. Don't worry, normal service will resume shortly.
I do find the lack of rationality and reason about this issue alarming . It doesn't matter how well you explain to most people why the death penalty is fundamentally flawed in many respects conceptually and practically, highly dangerous and a mark of a less evolved society
It just falls on deaf ears! All you get in return is the fear and ignorance brigade with the battle cry of
PAEDO, PAEDO, PAEDO, Mass murderers/weirdos everywhere, string em up, let me do it....justice is a joke guvnor.....
Ironically, the ONLY rational argument that has been put forward in defence of the death penalty is that it may actually be kinder to kill someone that deprive them of their liberty for the rest of their natural lives!
And the alarming thing is that most polls suggest that the UK public want the return of the death penalty, so the SN crowd are by no means non-representative.
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07 October 2012, 08:36 PM
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well it's not rocket science and has been suggested
for people convicted of heinous crimes that would warrant a death penalty, simple, life in prison.
the economic argument (no one wants to pay for these scum etc etc) is countered by the fact that this is the price of living in a modern civilised society.
As any Yorkshire man knows “you get ought for nought” in life – and regarding a modern civilised and tolerant society this is a case in point.
sure we could bait the masses and behead them as they do in Saudi Arabia – or just shoot them as they do in Afghanistan.
simply put this is not the sort of society I want to live in or bring my children up in (and am prepared to pay via taxes to make sure I don’t) if it wasn't, I would move to the countries mentioned above.
and have the benefit of low taxation and public beheadings
for people convicted of heinous crimes that would warrant a death penalty, simple, life in prison.
the economic argument (no one wants to pay for these scum etc etc) is countered by the fact that this is the price of living in a modern civilised society.
As any Yorkshire man knows “you get ought for nought” in life – and regarding a modern civilised and tolerant society this is a case in point.
sure we could bait the masses and behead them as they do in Saudi Arabia – or just shoot them as they do in Afghanistan.
simply put this is not the sort of society I want to live in or bring my children up in (and am prepared to pay via taxes to make sure I don’t) if it wasn't, I would move to the countries mentioned above.
and have the benefit of low taxation and public beheadings
Were talking about people that no longer have a right to be in a civilised society
and getting rid of such people is not gonna make society worse or any less civilised
It's like everything else in life , if you've done nothing wrong and not broke the law you've got nothing to worry about
How many on death row that are genuinely innocent of the crime they are convicted of , have a clean criminal record prior to their current conviction
07 October 2012, 08:38 PM
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the fact that we have to refute the same tired arguments again and again
depressing, but sadly inevitable - I am increasingly pessimistic about this countries chances tbh
I think we are in terminal decline
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07 October 2012, 08:57 PM
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Martin, like me, I am sure you view these threads in a sort of weary bemusement
the fact that we have to refute the same tired arguments again and again
depressing, but sadly inevitable - I am increasingly pessimsitic about this countries chances tbh
I think we are in terminal decline
the fact that we have to refute the same tired arguments again and again
depressing, but sadly inevitable - I am increasingly pessimsitic about this countries chances tbh
I think we are in terminal decline
You say decline , when did this decline start and why
It's about time folk grow a set , stop being feeble and take a firm stance and those that can't or won't be part of a civil society get the chop, simple
It wouldn't have been this way years ago
It's all gone soft
07 October 2012, 09:02 PM
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Zero out of a 100 is the chance it would happen in The UK, which is a shame.
Sadly many people that do kill have nothing, so prison is no punishment.
The costs of prisons aren't important are they, as mugs like me who work their nuts off will have 20 - 35K taken out the bank by The Government each year.
We need to take a leaf from America's book on punishment I'm afraid.
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