Death Penalty?
We have today seen that the person (I shall not call him a man) held in Wales has now been charged with the murder of April Jones.
Last week we saw two young Policewomen murdered by an animal .... not a man, an animal. If there is absolutely no doubt who is responsible for crimes, such as these, then should we take an 'eye for an eye' and dispatch via hanging, or lethal injection? I very much doubt that it will mean these crimes do not happen - but, more, that these people are not kept in relative luxury, at our expense, in a hospital or a prison. I say they should be removed from society, permanently. |
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Without wishing to sound like a dick, why compare him to an animal? I often think animals act a lot nicer than humans, so don't see the insult. If more people acted like dogs, for example, we'd be a lot better off!
But yes, I'd kill both of the people you're talking about. I personally think the parents should be given the option to do it themselves too. |
I like being able to say I come from a relatively civilized country which means not having the death penalty. I would much prefer to have more harsh prisons (I'm thinking 'the Ice-covered prison planet in Star Trek' harsh)
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Death penalty
Too good for you Pete |
I do believe that the return of capital punishment is long overdue for appropriate cases where there is no doubt of guilt, i.e. in cases like the murdered WPCs.
As tragic as the loss of yet another young child is, unless there is incontrovertible proof of the suspect's guilt then the death penalty could not, in my view, be applied. I agree with PSL, why should we keep these sum alive at our expense? It's not a case of revenge (eye for an eye) though. Merely plain and simple justice. |
Originally Posted by Blue by You
(Post 10815865)
I do believe that the return of capital punishment is long overdue for appropriate cases where there is no doubt of guilt, i.e. in cases like the murdered WPCs.
As tragic as the loss of yet another young child is, unless there is incontrovertible proof of the suspect's guilt then the death penalty could not, in my view, be applied. I agree with PSL, why should we keep these sum alive at our expense? It's not a case of revenge (eye for an eye) though. Merely plain and simple justice. |
Make prisons more like those in Mexico, Brazil and the like. Instead of holiday camps which can only be compared to the likes of centre Parcs.
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Interesting article here where Tebbit says there are 150 victims of people locked up for murder then released to murder again. So thats 150 dead because of abolition of the dp. Of course we would have to leave the EU if we wanted to reintroduce it, as membership prevents its use. Win win really!
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Originally Posted by pslewis
(Post 10815821)
We have today seen that the person (I shall not call him a man) held in Wales has now been charged with the murder of April Jones.
Last week we saw two young Policewomen murdered by an animal .... not a man, an animal. If there is absolutely no doubt who is responsible for crimes, such as these, then should we take an 'eye for an eye' and dispatch via hanging, or lethal injection? I very much doubt that it will mean these crimes do not happen - but, more, that these people are not kept in relative luxury, at our expense, in a hospital or a prison. I say they should be removed from society, permanently. |
Originally Posted by warrenm2
(Post 10815894)
Interesting article here where Tebbit says there are 150 victims of people locked up for murder then released to murder again. So thats 150 dead because of abolition of the dp. Of course we would have to leave the EU if we wanted to reintroduce it, as membership prevents its use. Win win really!
The answer is therefore simple - lock murderers up for good We could I suppose leave the EU and reinstate the DP, then maybe build a union with other DP countries like , Saudi, China, Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, a kind of coalition of the killers! |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 10815889)
There is no justice in killing, none at all
Or for the populace that have to pay to keep him there. Or for the victims of the harm he may do upon his release, as has happened so many times. Wasn't the murderer of the WPCs a suspect (or even charged) with previous killings? Is a lengthy prison sentence a more humane treatment than a quick death? Is placing a man in a cage really the best that a "civilised" and righteous society can come up with? |
Originally Posted by pslewis
(Post 10815821)
We have today seen that the person (I shall not call him a man) held in Wales has now been charged with the murder of April Jones.
Last week we saw two young Policewomen murdered by an animal .... not a man, an animal. If there is absolutely no doubt who is responsible for crimes, such as these, then should we take an 'eye for an eye' and dispatch via hanging, or lethal injection? I very much doubt that it will mean these crimes do not happen - but, more, that these people are not kept in relative luxury, at our expense, in a hospital or a prison. I say they should be removed from society, permanently. Best post you have ever made PSL, for once I agree with you. |
Originally Posted by warrenm2
(Post 10815894)
Interesting article here where Tebbit says there are 150 victims of people locked up for murder then released to murder again. So thats 150 dead because of abolition of the dp. Of course we would have to leave the EU if we wanted to reintroduce it, as membership prevents its use. Win win really!
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Originally Posted by pslewis
(Post 10815821)
We have today seen that the person (I shall not call him a man) held in Wales has now been charged with the murder of April Jones.
Last week we saw two young Policewomen murdered by an animal .... not a man, an animal. If there is absolutely no doubt who is responsible for crimes, such as these, then should we take an 'eye for an eye' and dispatch via hanging, or lethal injection? I very much doubt that it will mean these crimes do not happen - but, more, that these people are not kept in relative luxury, at our expense, in a hospital or a prison. I say they should be removed from society, permanently. |
Originally Posted by Blue by You
(Post 10815925)
Where is the justice for the man kept behind bars for 20 years?
Or for the populace that have to pay to keep him there. Or for the victims of the harm he may do upon his release, as has happened so many times. Wasn't the murderer of the WPCs a suspect (or even charged) with previous killings? Is a lengthy prison sentence a more humane treatment than a quick death? Is placing a man in a cage really the best that a "civilised" and righteous society can come up with? I remember trying to explain to my son (when he was about 6 years old) why they had executed Saddam Hussein. His bewilderment was telling when I had to explain ‘that he was being killed for killing people’. When you think about it, it’s an utterly absurd position, let alone for a civilised society to get into. Which btw is why you won’t find many democratic and civilised societies ever going back to it? For me this isn't a leftist view, it’s a question of morality, plain and simple. It’s actually one of the few issues I see as black and white, rather than grey.:) |
Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
(Post 10815957)
Totally agree with you pissy, but with trial by jury, you will get some hand-wringing, lentil-eating, pansy like Martin who will not convict because they know that a guilty vertict will entail the death penalty.
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Countries with Capital punishment...
Afghanistan Antigua and Barbuda Bahamas Bahrain Bangladesh Barbados Belarus Belize Botswana Chad China (People's Republic) Comoros Congo (Democratic Republic) Cuba Dominica Egypt Equatorial Guinea Ethiopia Guinea Guyana India Indonesia Iran Iraq Jamaica Japan Jordan Kuwait Lebanon Lesotho Libya Malaysia Mongolia Nigeria North Korea Oman Pakistan Palestinian Authority Qatar St. Kitts and Nevis St. Lucia St. Vincent and the Grenadines Saudi Arabia Sierra Leone Singapore Somalia Sudan Syria Taiwan Thailand Trinidad and Tobago Uganda United Arab Emirates United States Vietnam Yemen Zimbabwe Seems like a nice club to join:eek: |
Originally Posted by pslewis
(Post 10815821)
We have today seen that the person (I shall not call him a man) held in Wales has now been charged with the murder of April Jones.
Last week we saw two young Policewomen murdered by an animal .... not a man, an animal. If there is absolutely no doubt who is responsible for crimes, such as these, then should we take an 'eye for an eye' and dispatch via hanging, or lethal injection? I very much doubt that it will mean these crimes do not happen - but, more, that these people are not kept in relative luxury, at our expense, in a hospital or a prison. I say they should be removed from society, permanently. Now that's my kind of punishment! |
So you've shot one police officer dead and you know you face the death penalty. What is your incentive to not shoot any more?
You have kidnapped two small children and one has died, you face the death penalty. What is your incentive to care for the other? You have killed a pedestrian while driving, you might face the death penalty, what is your incentive to confess? |
Won't happen though will it,this country as gone too far down the political correct road.
You'll have the namby pamby lot out in masses on the streets protesting at bringing back such a punishment,human rights etc.Well what about the human rights of a five year old girl just out playing with a few mates,who could now possibly be no longer alive. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 10815964)
It’s actually one of the few issues I see as black and white, rather than grey.:)
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Originally Posted by specialx
(Post 10815978)
I think it's an easy way out Pete, the victims have to spend a life dealing with the trauma,where the criminal would be out of his misery, in my eyes they need to suffer for life and kept alive as long as possible! ie chop off both hands,castration then locked in a cold dark room, with recorded messages from the victims family playing in the cell all day..
Now that's my kind of punishment! |
Originally Posted by speedking
(Post 10815992)
You have killed a pedestrian while driving, you might face the death penalty, what is your incentive to confess?
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 10815974)
Countries with Capital punishment...
Afghanistan Antigua and Barbuda Bahamas Bahrain Bangladesh Barbados Belarus Belize Botswana Chad China (People's Republic) Comoros Congo (Democratic Republic) Cuba Dominica Egypt Equatorial Guinea Ethiopia Guinea Guyana India Indonesia Iran Iraq Jamaica Japan Jordan Kuwait Lebanon Lesotho Libya Malaysia Mongolia Nigeria North Korea Oman Pakistan Palestinian Authority Qatar St. Kitts and Nevis St. Lucia St. Vincent and the Grenadines Saudi Arabia Sierra Leone Singapore Somalia Sudan Syria Taiwan Thailand Trinidad and Tobago Uganda United Arab Emirates United States Vietnam Yemen Zimbabwe Seems like a nice club to join:eek: |
I'd like to say I agree with bringing back the death penalty for some crimes, but, unfortunately, whilst the CPS and especially the police are bout as trustworthy as an untrustworthy person living in Untrustworthyville, I'm afraid it HAS to be a non-starter.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 10816019)
I'd like to say I agree with bringing back the death penalty for some crimes, but, unfortunately, whilst the CPS and especially the police are bout as trustworthy as an untrustworthy person living in Untrustworthyville, I'm afraid it HAS to be a non-starter.
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Agreed with the above, you can't be sure as people will always lie.
PS you say like the guy whos been arrested for little girls murder, they don't have a body, he's been arrested to keep him in for questioning. BUT you say you are certain ? |
In the case of the low life in Wales torture the sick b**tard then hang him...
Once found guilty of course. Nik |
I don't agree with the death penalty. It does not deter crime, nor do harsh prison sentences. We only have to look at the United States as an example of this. They have the highest prison population per capita in the world, and kill their criminals too.
I'm sorry if I sound like a liberal, but crime must be tackled at grass roots level. A high percentage of young people in prison come from low economic backgrounds and if you have been in care, the statistics rocket. Perhaps we could help and adopt a child each who otherwise would grow up in these environments, give them some hope and aspirations, instead of punishing them when they do wrong. Don't allow people who cannot look after their kids properly to keep them, give adopters proper incentives to give them a better life. There is no magic wand which will stop bad things happening, so we have to live with that. Killing people who do abhorrent deeds may make some of you feel justice has been done, but not for me. It is an easy way out for them and I would not feel comfortable living in a country which did it. |
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