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05 October 2012, 06:58 PM
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Death penalty is not the answer, to me that's an easy way out 
I say make them serve their life sentence in a foreign prison such as Thailand.
Damp cold cells with double the people they are designed for,
Toilets that back fill flooding the cells with poo,
Never getting proper meals and when you do get food it squirts out quicker than it went in,
Endless violence.
Foreign prisons are the best place for them, uk prisons are to much of a holiday camp
I say make them serve their life sentence in a foreign prison such as Thailand.
Damp cold cells with double the people they are designed for,
Toilets that back fill flooding the cells with poo,
Never getting proper meals and when you do get food it squirts out quicker than it went in,
Endless violence.
Foreign prisons are the best place for them, uk prisons are to much of a holiday camp
05 October 2012, 07:15 PM
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The death penalty is to easy , look at the cowards the commit a lot of murders ,they do there crime then top themselves , no doubt because they can't live with what they have done or won't be able to handle the consequences of their actions
Far better would be to do the same as the guy in the movie seven
The one tied to the bed with the magic trees
Far better would be to do the same as the guy in the movie seven
The one tied to the bed with the magic trees
05 October 2012, 07:19 PM
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In reply to those who think capital punishment is "an easy way out", who exactly is getting the easy way out?
The criminal? Let's not lose sight of the fact that, for the most part, murderers are not looking for some kind of benign release. The loss of their life is without doubt a punishment, not a reward. And it's a guaranteed solution to re-offending.
If not the criminal, is it society being freed from the onerous task of caring for the miscreant? Perhaps. But the number of literal open and shut cases where you could safely employ the death panalty are few and far between, so you wouldn't be killing many scumbags anyway.
To quote Norman Tebbit from the Telegraph article referred to earlier -
"The arguments against capital punishment for murder have always been thin. One centres on the human rights theory which demands that the state should never take life. That would make nonsense of the concept of an armed police officer threatening an armed criminal at all. Another is that the threat of death, as when an armed officer calls on an armed criminal to drop his weapon under pain of death, has no effect.
The hard fact is, as violent criminals know perfectly well, a credible threat that a man will lose his life unless he complies with a demand usually results in obedience."
The criminal? Let's not lose sight of the fact that, for the most part, murderers are not looking for some kind of benign release. The loss of their life is without doubt a punishment, not a reward. And it's a guaranteed solution to re-offending.
If not the criminal, is it society being freed from the onerous task of caring for the miscreant? Perhaps. But the number of literal open and shut cases where you could safely employ the death panalty are few and far between, so you wouldn't be killing many scumbags anyway.
To quote Norman Tebbit from the Telegraph article referred to earlier -
"The arguments against capital punishment for murder have always been thin. One centres on the human rights theory which demands that the state should never take life. That would make nonsense of the concept of an armed police officer threatening an armed criminal at all. Another is that the threat of death, as when an armed officer calls on an armed criminal to drop his weapon under pain of death, has no effect.
The hard fact is, as violent criminals know perfectly well, a credible threat that a man will lose his life unless he complies with a demand usually results in obedience."
05 October 2012, 07:25 PM
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Obviously and unfortunately the torture of convicted criminals is never gonna happen
So the death penalty will have to suffice
As long as they are kept on death row and are allowed to appeal and get refused half a dozen times ( give em a bit of hope ) and then eventually get what they deserve
So the death penalty will have to suffice
As long as they are kept on death row and are allowed to appeal and get refused half a dozen times ( give em a bit of hope ) and then eventually get what they deserve
05 October 2012, 07:37 PM
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after watching channel 4 dispatch's ages ago when they interviewed a potential kid fid , the interviewer asked him what is your fantasy,
to do a sidney cook he replied (remember that kid from the fairgroung raped and killed in a caravan)
but you would get 15years min replied the interviewer
and replied the perv (almost like he considered it good value)
what about if the death penalty was brought back for such crimes asked the interviewer
HELL NO REPLIED THE PERV wouldnt do it
this program only served to prove that the meer threat of death penalty would make them think twice, shame mr cameron and cronies grow some nads and bring back the death penalty, if the need someone for the job, i would offer my services with just 2 conditions , immunity, and 3 bullets per pedo ,knee nads chest in that order
to do a sidney cook he replied (remember that kid from the fairgroung raped and killed in a caravan)
but you would get 15years min replied the interviewer
and replied the perv (almost like he considered it good value)
what about if the death penalty was brought back for such crimes asked the interviewer
HELL NO REPLIED THE PERV wouldnt do it
this program only served to prove that the meer threat of death penalty would make them think twice, shame mr cameron and cronies grow some nads and bring back the death penalty, if the need someone for the job, i would offer my services with just 2 conditions , immunity, and 3 bullets per pedo ,knee nads chest in that order
05 October 2012, 09:01 PM
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And if we need further proof of how untrustworthy the police are, maybe even dishonest....
http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/20...ss-misconduct/
http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/20...ss-misconduct/
05 October 2012, 09:13 PM
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Death penalty doesn't work. What is needed is a Running Man game show! Seriously, hard labour camp or shipped to an off shore prison facility like an converted oil rig or oil tanker that does not come under the jurisdiction of any Human Rights convention.
05 October 2012, 09:46 PM
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AS much as the death penalty comes to mind, in the endi its too quick and as said above, many of these choose to cap themsleves..
I do beleive that in the likes of this case in Wales, where the cops know they have there man, lie detector tests and forms of torture should be used to get the information that may well save the victims life.
As for the punishment, small room, 500watt light on 24 hrs a day, no bed, no clothes nothing, completley self harm free, Life sentence.. Let them live with themselves.
I do beleive that in the likes of this case in Wales, where the cops know they have there man, lie detector tests and forms of torture should be used to get the information that may well save the victims life.
As for the punishment, small room, 500watt light on 24 hrs a day, no bed, no clothes nothing, completley self harm free, Life sentence.. Let them live with themselves.
05 October 2012, 10:20 PM
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1. You don't agree. Fine. There are many on here who agree with you.
2. DP does not deter crime. Really? Your evidence for that? A starter in evidence that the opposite is true is at http://burningourmoney.blogspot.co.u...justice-5.html
3. Harsher prison sentences do not deter crime. Really? Your evidence for that? How about http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...udy-shows.html
4. Look at the US - see point 2
5. US has highest prison population per capita in the world - this figure is THE most common fallacy of all, and is why I am taking you to task on this. The figure is meaningless. The reason is that without knowing how much crime is committed, it is unbelievably misleading. If there is more crime, then you would expect more people to be in prison. If you want to gauge the rate of imprisonment, you need to see the number of prisoners/1000 crimes committed. High numbers would indicate harsh sentencing, low numbers show laid back sentencing. The UK has one of the lower prisoner/crimes committed rations in Europe. http://www.civitas.org.uk/data/prisonPopEU2007.htm There is good inverse correlation between the imprisonment rate and the crime rate. The US crime rate is dropping BECAUSE the imprisonment rate is high. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...tes.svg&page=1 Locked up scumbags cant commit crimes, nor can dead ones
05 October 2012, 10:37 PM
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Wow. This paragraph contains so many false assertions that are so unfortunately common. Lets begin.
1. You don't agree. Fine. There are many on here who agree with you.
2. DP does not deter crime. Really? Your evidence for that? A starter in evidence that the opposite is true is at http://burningourmoney.blogspot.co.u...justice-5.html
3. Harsher prison sentences do not deter crime. Really? Your evidence for that? How about http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...udy-shows.html
4. Look at the US - see point 2
5. US has highest prison population per capita in the world - this figure is THE most common fallacy of all, and is why I am taking you to task on this. The figure is meaningless. The reason is that without knowing how much crime is committed, it is unbelievably misleading. If there is more crime, then you would expect more people to be in prison. If you want to gauge the rate of imprisonment, you need to see the number of prisoners/1000 crimes committed. High numbers would indicate harsh sentencing, low numbers show laid back sentencing. The UK has one of the lower prisoner/crimes committed rations in Europe. http://www.civitas.org.uk/data/prisonPopEU2007.htm There is good inverse correlation between the imprisonment rate and the crime rate. The US crime rate is dropping BECAUSE the imprisonment rate is high. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...tes.svg&page=1 Locked up scumbags cant commit crimes, nor can dead ones
1. You don't agree. Fine. There are many on here who agree with you.
2. DP does not deter crime. Really? Your evidence for that? A starter in evidence that the opposite is true is at http://burningourmoney.blogspot.co.u...justice-5.html
3. Harsher prison sentences do not deter crime. Really? Your evidence for that? How about http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...udy-shows.html
4. Look at the US - see point 2
5. US has highest prison population per capita in the world - this figure is THE most common fallacy of all, and is why I am taking you to task on this. The figure is meaningless. The reason is that without knowing how much crime is committed, it is unbelievably misleading. If there is more crime, then you would expect more people to be in prison. If you want to gauge the rate of imprisonment, you need to see the number of prisoners/1000 crimes committed. High numbers would indicate harsh sentencing, low numbers show laid back sentencing. The UK has one of the lower prisoner/crimes committed rations in Europe. http://www.civitas.org.uk/data/prisonPopEU2007.htm There is good inverse correlation between the imprisonment rate and the crime rate. The US crime rate is dropping BECAUSE the imprisonment rate is high. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...tes.svg&page=1 Locked up scumbags cant commit crimes, nor can dead ones
Your argument still doesn't make me want the UK to have the death penalty.
There's probably another reason for the US having so many prisoners in the clink.... They make quite a lot of money from them, but that's another story.
05 October 2012, 10:45 PM
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wierd because Romania is a crime ridden failed state and Sweden on the other hand one of the safest places in the world to live
05 October 2012, 10:46 PM
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The homicide rate in the US is much higher than here. It's even higher than it is here if you exclude all the gun homicides in the US, which make up 60% of the homicide rate.
So... the death penalty is an effective deterrent, is it?
So... the death penalty is an effective deterrent, is it?
05 October 2012, 11:18 PM
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In reply to those who think capital punishment is "an easy way out", who exactly is getting the easy way out?
The criminal? Let's not lose sight of the fact that, for the most part, murderers are not looking for some kind of benign release. The loss of their life is without doubt a punishment, not a reward. And it's a guaranteed solution to re-offending.
If not the criminal, is it society being freed from the onerous task of caring for the miscreant? Perhaps. But the number of literal open and shut cases where you could safely employ the death panalty are few and far between, so you wouldn't be killing many scumbags anyway.
To quote Norman Tebbit from the Telegraph article referred to earlier -
"The arguments against capital punishment for murder have always been thin. One centres on the human rights theory which demands that the state should never take life. That would make nonsense of the concept of an armed police officer threatening an armed criminal at all. Another is that the threat of death, as when an armed officer calls on an armed criminal to drop his weapon under pain of death, has no effect.
The hard fact is, as violent criminals know perfectly well, a credible threat that a man will lose his life unless he complies with a demand usually results in obedience."
The criminal? Let's not lose sight of the fact that, for the most part, murderers are not looking for some kind of benign release. The loss of their life is without doubt a punishment, not a reward. And it's a guaranteed solution to re-offending.
If not the criminal, is it society being freed from the onerous task of caring for the miscreant? Perhaps. But the number of literal open and shut cases where you could safely employ the death panalty are few and far between, so you wouldn't be killing many scumbags anyway.
To quote Norman Tebbit from the Telegraph article referred to earlier -
"The arguments against capital punishment for murder have always been thin. One centres on the human rights theory which demands that the state should never take life. That would make nonsense of the concept of an armed police officer threatening an armed criminal at all. Another is that the threat of death, as when an armed officer calls on an armed criminal to drop his weapon under pain of death, has no effect.
The hard fact is, as violent criminals know perfectly well, a credible threat that a man will lose his life unless he complies with a demand usually results in obedience."
I'm afraid it's Mr Tebbits arguments that are 'a bit thin'.
His 'apples and oranges' comparison of the death penalty vs armed police shooting someone in self-defense or in protecting the lives of the public, is laughable. I don't know anyone that would be opposed to the police shooting someone in those circumstances. It's a very different to the state, in cold blood, executing someone.
Also he makes a completely daft point about how 'a credible threat' results in compliance of a criminal. Well once again, at the moment a crime may be taking place that could well be true, but as a deterrent? If it was then murder rates (per capita) in the US wouldn't be 8 times higher than they are here.
Oh and btw, several people have mention that they wish the state could torture criminals, if that's your view I suggest you move somewhere where torture a regular occurrence. I've read some awful things on this site, but wanting the state to torture people, well that a whole new level of idiocy
05 October 2012, 11:20 PM
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- the death penalty doesn't apply universally across the US,
- in those US States where it does apply, it doesn't apply universally for all crimes of murder,
- in a great number of those States where it does apply, very few and in some cases no executions at all have actually been carried out for years or even decades, because of the constant appeals, legal wranglings and so on,
- in the whole of the US, capital and non-capital States alike, the next most likely sentence to be handed down (when the death penalty isn't or can't be) is life in prison, in a country where life in very many cases really does mean life or close to it. You might just as easily argue then that life in prison is no more a deterrent against murder than the death penalty, if you're going to hold up US murder stats as evidence for or against.
05 October 2012, 11:25 PM
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Also he makes a completely daft point about how 'a credible threat' results in compliance of a criminal. Well once again, at the moment a crime may be taking place that could well be true, but as a deterrent? If it was then murder rates (per capita) in the US wouldn't be 8 times higher than they are here.
As stated in my previous post though, there are a fair few reasons to be wary of drawing too much inference from that comparison, regardless of how much higher or lower the rates are.
05 October 2012, 11:26 PM
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No point even talking about the death penalty, it will never ever happen in this namby pamby country. We have far to many PC **** heads without *****. It f*cking annoys me when soft tw*ts think a kiddie fiddler should just go to prison, No, they should be exterminated.
I understand where you were coming from now.
05 October 2012, 11:29 PM
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Wow. This paragraph contains so many false assertions that are so unfortunately common. Lets begin.
1. You don't agree. Fine. There are many on here who agree with you.
2. DP does not deter crime. Really? Your evidence for that? A starter in evidence that the opposite is true is at http://burningourmoney.blogspot.co.u...justice-5.html
3. Harsher prison sentences do not deter crime. Really? Your evidence for that? How about http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...udy-shows.html
4. Look at the US - see point 2
5. US has highest prison population per capita in the world - this figure is THE most common fallacy of all, and is why I am taking you to task on this. The figure is meaningless. The reason is that without knowing how much crime is committed, it is unbelievably misleading. If there is more crime, then you would expect more people to be in prison. If you want to gauge the rate of imprisonment, you need to see the number of prisoners/1000 crimes committed. High numbers would indicate harsh sentencing, low numbers show laid back sentencing. The UK has one of the lower prisoner/crimes committed rations in Europe. http://www.civitas.org.uk/data/prisonPopEU2007.htm There is good inverse correlation between the imprisonment rate and the crime rate. The US crime rate is dropping BECAUSE the imprisonment rate is high. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...tes.svg&page=1 Locked up scumbags cant commit crimes, nor can dead ones
1. You don't agree. Fine. There are many on here who agree with you.
2. DP does not deter crime. Really? Your evidence for that? A starter in evidence that the opposite is true is at http://burningourmoney.blogspot.co.u...justice-5.html
3. Harsher prison sentences do not deter crime. Really? Your evidence for that? How about http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...udy-shows.html
4. Look at the US - see point 2
5. US has highest prison population per capita in the world - this figure is THE most common fallacy of all, and is why I am taking you to task on this. The figure is meaningless. The reason is that without knowing how much crime is committed, it is unbelievably misleading. If there is more crime, then you would expect more people to be in prison. If you want to gauge the rate of imprisonment, you need to see the number of prisoners/1000 crimes committed. High numbers would indicate harsh sentencing, low numbers show laid back sentencing. The UK has one of the lower prisoner/crimes committed rations in Europe. http://www.civitas.org.uk/data/prisonPopEU2007.htm There is good inverse correlation between the imprisonment rate and the crime rate. The US crime rate is dropping BECAUSE the imprisonment rate is high. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...tes.svg&page=1 Locked up scumbags cant commit crimes, nor can dead ones
Show that there is absolutely no correlation whatsoever between murder rate and the abolition of the DP in fact murder rate were virtually unchanged for the decade pre and post abolition.
Also murder rates are currently at a 30 year low
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05 October 2012, 11:31 PM
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Can you point to any empirical evidence from the US that supports the notion the that the death penalty is a deterrent?
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05 October 2012, 11:33 PM
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I don't agree with the death penalty. It does not deter crime, nor do harsh prison sentences. We only have to look at the United States as an example of this. They have the highest prison population per capita in the world, and kill their criminals too.
I'm sorry if I sound like a liberal, but crime must be tackled at grass roots level. A high percentage of young people in prison come from low economic backgrounds and if you have been in care, the statistics rocket. Perhaps we could help and adopt a child each who otherwise would grow up in these environments, give them some hope and aspirations, instead of punishing them when they do wrong. Don't allow people who cannot look after their kids properly to keep them, give adopters proper incentives to give them a better life.
There is no magic wand which will stop bad things happening, so we have to live with that. Killing people who do abhorrent deeds may make some of you feel justice has been done, but not for me. It is an easy way out for them and I would not feel comfortable living in a country which did it.
I'm sorry if I sound like a liberal, but crime must be tackled at grass roots level. A high percentage of young people in prison come from low economic backgrounds and if you have been in care, the statistics rocket. Perhaps we could help and adopt a child each who otherwise would grow up in these environments, give them some hope and aspirations, instead of punishing them when they do wrong. Don't allow people who cannot look after their kids properly to keep them, give adopters proper incentives to give them a better life.
There is no magic wand which will stop bad things happening, so we have to live with that. Killing people who do abhorrent deeds may make some of you feel justice has been done, but not for me. It is an easy way out for them and I would not feel comfortable living in a country which did it.
05 October 2012, 11:45 PM
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Ignore the UK and just look at the US. The evidence in completely stacked against the DP as a deterrent