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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cster
It is quite clearly a matter of opinion.
As far as I can see, it is something that can be discussed..
If you say it is not up for discussion, then ipso facto - for you it must be an article of faith - or fact as you like to call it.
I just can't believe you'd deny Christianity's influence on English Law; it appears to me to be an absurd position. Still, never one to shy away from an exchange, let's hear your case.
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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 07:19 PM
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The American's don't mess about, they took his hook off him! Respect.
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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 08:07 PM
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...And boy, have we paid - literally - for his extradition! Turn away now if you don't want to have your Sunday evening ruined...

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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 08:09 PM
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^^ Deep embarrassment. I actually almost feel ill for what that... <words fail me> has cost this country. Shameful.
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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 08:10 PM
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It's madness. It makes me feel ill.
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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by joz8968
Cleva spellas at da sun!

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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by joz8968
...And boy, have we paid - literally - for his extradition! Turn away now if you don't want to have your Sunday evening ruined...

And how much does one bullet cost??????
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I just can't believe you'd deny Christianity's influence on English Law; it appears to me to be an absurd position. Still, never one to shy away from an exchange, let's hear your case.
Why do you try to put words in my mouth? Were you an inquisitor in a previous life?
All I have said is that to say "Christianity is the bedrock etc etc" is an article of faith. Or if I may be more succinct - a Dogma.
It seems to me, one could discuss your position from various points of view.
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Rather than saying Christianity is the bedrock, one could argue that it is a veneer/flag of convenience. It is difficult to look past Kings who (presumably for their own convenience) say they are ordained by the grace of God and also Henry the VIII's cavalier approach to the Church in order to consider that such a view might be worth consideration.

One could furthermore posit that Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism and as such it is Judaism that forms the bedrock. As far as I know, forgiveness is not unique to Christianity in this regard and the ten commandments certainly seem fundamental to any "bedrock" position.

One could also suggest that where we are today is merely a reflection of our human nature and if anything, that we have gotten to this point in spite of religion.

I am not saying that any of the points above are correct or that there aren't others that are better.
They are just points for discussion - Unless of course, you are talking to some type of fundamentalist
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by boomer
Cleva spellas at da sun!

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