Jimpreza

Good to have you back old trout . Ding, get some photos up of the loan car mate.

Daryl

Yeah, I know - but it would get mine too!

Dingdongler

Jim, I ended up getting a C2S cabriolet instead. The rear and rear/side visibility out of the thing is appalling, I don't know how anybody drives these things. Weather outside is rubbish to take pics but here's a few more of my one

Jimpreza

Cheers Ding, keep them coming . Love the interior, is it more white, cream or grey in the flesh? A friend has cream leather in his Audi and it's gone blue from the dye off his jeans.

Matteeboy

I'm wearing my finest envy suit.

banny sti

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Looks lovely Ding and welcome back Trout

Maz

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+1

Jimpreza

Ding, Trout, Scott or anyone else - Did either of you test drive a 991 4S and if so what did you think?

RB5SCOTT

4wd is for *****'s not that I could because they have only just come out but the carrera 4s was never an option for me whatever wide body they throw at it as I was only interested in rwd

Trout

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Personally I think that 4WD drives ruins a 911. The 991 more than ever does not need 4WD it is so well balanced.

Dingdongler

Jim, it's meant to be Pebble Grey/Agate Grey two tone leather. I must say the Pebble Grey bit does look very light and very worrying given it will be my everyday car.

As for the 4S, that's a very interesting question Jim. In the past the 4S has always been slated for being heavier, slower, less pure etc. However if you read the early press reports they are saying that the 991 4S may actually 'drive' better than the 2S with a better steering feel to boot.

So much so that when I went to sign the paperwork today I asked about a 4S with half a mind to change my order. Unfortunately the only 4S they had for sale right now had a red leather interior (who likes these??) and so wasn't an option.

If one were in the market for one of these cars in a couple of years time it would definitely pay to test a 2 and 4 back to back

Jimpreza

I read the same Ding, but I've also read that the traction of the S is amazing and 4wd isn't required.

Trout

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Evo seem to like to 4 more than the 2 - but they are not big fans of the 991.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc..._pictures.html

Trout

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PS when Bovingdpn reviewed the 991 for a US mag he rated it highly over the Boxster, and yet for evo he exactly reversed that opinion!

Dingdongler

Merry Xmas all!

I took the C2s cab for a drive today and it was raining and the roads soaking. I was of course careful as I don't know how Porsches handle but I gave it quite a bit of welly coming out of corners. The thing just gripped, no wheel slip and no traction control intervening.

It was a very short drive but my first impressions concur with what Trout said ie the traction on this car with just 2wd is very very good.

Dingdongler

Btw, Scott, Trout did you sign up to the Porsche tracker or have you done your own thing?

Thanks

Jimpreza

Happy Christmas Pork boys!

The coupe looks miles better imo. Just read the Evo reviews Trout and I'd say the reviews were good for the 991.

ScoobyDoo555

Merry Chrimbo fellow Porkers

Fwiw, in 996 form, I MUCH preferred the c4. Granted, the rip of the v2 was good, but the c4 was much better imho.

Dan

zip106

I've got the Porsche VTS on mine.
Had it activated in the first year due to insurance requirements, but my current insurers (Porsche Ins through Marsh Associates) don't require it activating thus saving about £200 this year.

Trout

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4S initial review was 4 stars

991 made final of car of the year but was roundly beaten into a lowly finishing spot behind the Boxster. With at least one of the judges heavily reversing his opinion elsewhere.

Put simply, normally evo love anything 911 and with the 991 they regard it as good rather than great.

john banks

Dingdongler, do you think you could save a packet and get a better car with a 997 then?

Trout

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The 991 is a hugely superior car to the 997.

I say this having spent a month in a GTS4, getting in the 991 was a revelation. I am not sure traditionalists will like the 991 as much. In terms of capability a 991S is within 4 seconds of the old GT3 RS around the Ring, with normal road tyres and 50bhp less. Even fitting Cups would have the 991 being as fast if not faster!

john banks

That helps understand the context of post #200, thanks.

Matteeboy

Trout; happy with the electric steering? Sounds like Porsche are the only ones to have cracked it.

Funny, I felt quite good having dropped near 50 large on a camper. Now I feel a bit like some impostering peasant.

bighead

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dont we all

Dingdongler

No John. Though I don't have a great deal of Porsche hours under my belt I did test drive an early 997s many years ago and it is was not nearly as good as the 991s.

A combination of the reduced weight, better PDK, slightly better BHP, raised redline, better weight distribution etc actually amount to quite a lot in real life.

And that's before you think about the vastly improved interior and driving position.

If I bought a 997 I wouldn't be in the market for an early 2006 car with poverty spec, a manual gearbox, three owners etc for £35k. I'd be looking at something that still felt and smelt fresh. So a late gen2 car, perhaps a GTS, fully loaded with low miles. These cars are up for £60k and so to me it's worth the extra money to get the 991s instead.

The 991s is quite bit more than the 997s, but remember I secured a significant discount on the rrp as I took a stock car on 23/12/12 just before year end targets etc.

If I could have been happy with an older 997 for £35k then it's a no brainer, but rather than spending £60k on a late fresh 997 it made more sense for me to spend a 'little more' and get the new improved model.

More of a consideration was whether I should buy a Gen2 997 turbo for about the same price. But once I drove the 991s I was smitten. The extra power of the turbo would have been nice but the 991s is plenty fast and I just can't see when I'd use the extra grunt of the turbo on London streets.

Hope that makes some sort of sense given I've been drinking all day

Trout

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When I first test drove the 991 I never noticed the steering at all, and that was stepping out of the RS. If you just focus on the steering then it is not quite as good as the 997, but it is very accurate and has good weight. Loads up perfectly at speed.

Lets wait and see how good the GT3 is, note just the cooking version - although I think it will be quite a different car to the old GT3s.

john banks

Yes that makes sense Dingdongler. Same argument we would all like to use so skillfully to justify tripling the sensible purchase price of something

Luminous

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Before anyone jumps on me, this is not a criticism, just a question.

Why is it that manufacturers cannot standardise on which way you push a level to change up or down a gear when it comes to semi auto!!??

I'm far from a racing driver, but I have been in a few cars and ALL racing cars I have ever seen that have a true manual sequential box have push forward for down, and pull back for up.

I climb out of one car (mine) that I pull back to change up, to get into another that when I do the same thing drops gears. Its almost as bad as someone fitting a "sports" steering wheel where you turn left to go left if its one make and right to turn left if its another.

I really struggle with this, and Porsche really do seem to have it the wrong way round. Anyone have a reason why they did it like this? (and yes there are other manufacturer's that have it this way too, I know).

Trout

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This has been a criticism of Porsche for years. However I only use the paddles.